Dual Core PowerMac G5 Updates?

[ShnikeJSB]

Good luck. You don't have a case in the slightest. Get real.

Yeah, it's a thing called "technology". You know, the thing that makes your $3000+ computer obsolete in a matter of a couple months? As much as it sucks, unless is happens within a week of buying your system, there is NO WAY Apple (or ANY company for that matter), will swap it out for the new system. It's like saying, "I just bought this Pontiac GTO a couple months ago, and then you went and threw in the 400HP engine for this year, can I just swap out this one with 2500 miles on it for the new one? If you don't, I will sue you!"

LOL!

 

[phd]

"Originally Posted by StinktOldC
yeh Im one of them and if this is really the case legal action will be sought as Ive only had this machine for about 6 weeks.If a machine is released with almost double the power but for the same price,trust me I will get a refund or a replacement whether it be from apple or my Amex credit card company"


Good Luck!

That happend to me when I bought the first gen powerbook 17.
A week after I purchased they upgraded.

I hope they upgrade next week! Even if they don't I'm purchasing the top end tower and a 23inch screen.... YEE HAA

 

[DeepIn2U]

Umm, was just wondering. Wasnt SSE2 available in ALL Pentium 4 cpu's & even in the Late 1Ghz Pentium 3 cpu's?? And isnt it a fairly old technology?

 

[~Shard~]

yeh Im one of them and if this is really the case legal action will be sought as Ive only had this machine for about 6 weeks.If a machine is released with almost double the power but for the same price,trust me I will get a refund or a replacement whether it be from apple or my Amex credit card company

Haha, thanks for the laugh, one of the funniest posts I've read all day!

 

[50548]

I agree - the iMacs are actually very solid machines right now, so I think Apple is going to concentrate on other areas for now before they look at updating the iMacs again.

Exactly...iMacs (and I have a 2GHz Rev. B right now) are extremely solid machines, waaaaay faster than most PCs out there, believe it or not...everything I feel like doing is completed almost instantaneously, not to mention the best operating system in the globe.

The addition of 128Mb VRAM was more than welcome, so most games play nicely in it...and the rest is just there, you need nothing else (Airport, BT, good amount of RAM and HD)...iMacs are wonderful and cheap choices right now, and there is no reason to expect immediate updates for them.

 

[AidenShaw]

Umm, was just wondering. Wasnt SSE2 available in ALL Pentium 4 cpu's & even in the Late 1Ghz Pentium 3 cpu's?? And isnt it a fairly old technology?

All Pentium 4's have SSE2. Pentium M (through the current Dothan) have SSE2. Pentium III have SSE.

Late (Prescott and later) Pentium 4's have SSE3. Pentium M from Yonah and beyond will have SSE3.

All 64-bit Pentiums have SSE3.

 

[~Shard~]

Exactly...iMacs (and I have a 2GHz Rev. B right now) are extremely solid machines, waaaaay faster than most PCs out there, believe it or not...everything I feel like doing is completed almost instantaneously, not to mention the best operating system in the globe.

The addition of 128Mb VRAM was more than welcome, so most games play nicely in it...and the rest is just there, you need nothing else (Airport, BT, good amount of RAM and HD)...iMacs are wonderful and cheap choices right now, and there is no reason to expect immediate updates for them.

Another happy iMac customer! I have no complaints with my 17" 1.25 GHz G4 iMac either. I know the G5 iMacs scream compared to mine, but mine has everything I need as well and does everything I need it to, which is all that matters for me - no complaints. As we both agree, there are other product lines desperately in need of Apple's attention before the iMac line.

 

[manu chao]

Freescale and IBM did that because Apple tried to paint the picture that Freescale and IBM fell behind in chip development. They didn't. Apple just choose to not use the processors that were available. Dual Core G4's have been around for a while as have faster 970's. How do you think it's possible that IBM can develop millions of 3.2ghz triple core procs for the Xbox 360 to be sold in November but can't make dual core or low power G5's.

There's an (arstechnica) article talking about a lot of the tactics Apple uses to get cheaper processors. Supposedly they commission Freescale or IBM to make chips then let them sit in the chipmakers warehouse until they get a big price break. Combine that with the fact that Apple will not commit to selling 3 million processors (of one type i.e G5) because they perfer the big margin low sales route. Freescale and IBM can't make any money that way.
If Apple wouldn't price themselves out of the market and choose to sell higher volumes as opposed to higher margins then they would get more development. Look at what IBM is developing for Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo.

Couldn't we introduce a rating system for posters, so people who keep posting pure nonsense are voted out and banned from the system?

 

[tech4all]

Too funny

yeh Im one of them and if this is really the case legal action will be sought as Ive only had this machine for about 6 weeks.If a machine is released with almost double the power but for the same price,trust me I will get a refund or a replacement whether it be from apple or my Amex credit card company

Comon now, you can't be serious. I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure you have NO case.

 

[iGary]

Comon now, you can't be serious. I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure you have NO case.

Hey, mine is 2 months old, I want in on some of this action.

Report back to us when you get your refund/and-or new machine, sport.

 

[RHutch]

yeh Im one of them and if this is really the case legal action will be sought as Ive only had this machine for about 6 weeks.If a machine is released with almost double the power but for the same price,trust me I will get a refund or a replacement whether it be from apple or my Amex credit card company

Apple's price protection policy is good for 10 days from the time you get your machine, not 6 weeks. I guarantee Apple is not going to budge on this one, and I can't see why your credit card company would either. Introducing a newer, better, faster machine is part of doing business; you will not have been wronged in any way.

 

[blitzkrieg79]

Couldn't we introduce a rating system for posters, so people who keep posting pure nonsense are voted out and banned from the system?

The thing is, that what BGil said wasn't nonsense as it made a whole lot of sense as I have read so many reports that Apple with its primitive market share acted like a primma donna a lot of times...

I like Apple but that doesn't mean everything that Apple says or does is great, the switch to Intel wasn't about performance per watt, you can be sure of that as Motorola/IBM has some interesting products in the pipeline most notably the CELL concept and as I posted a slide from Intel conference couple posts ago that basically shows how Intel will have a CELL-like multithreaded highly parallel architecture in 2010... Just shows that as always the Wintel monopoly is decreasing the speed of computer evolution as there are a lot of little companies that offer superior products but don't have the marketing power...

 

[bodeh6]

yeh Im one of them and if this is really the case legal action will be sought as Ive only had this machine for about 6 weeks.If a machine is released with almost double the power but for the same price,trust me I will get a refund or a replacement whether it be from apple or my Amex credit card company

I hope your are seriously Joking. Technology is ever changing. Just because you bought a computer right before an upgrade does not quailify you to get a refund or replacement. You bought what you bought at the time of the purchase and Apple gave you everything that you ordered at the time of the purchase. I am sorry but comments like yours have no merit. This is how the world works.

If I bought a 2005 Audi A4 for $35,000 1 month ago and now the 2006 is out and now comes standard with some of the options that I got on the 2005 so that a similar equipped car would be $32,000, do you think that I have the right to go to the dealership and have them give me $3,000 back or get the 2006 model instead? Heck no!

 

[Val-kyrie]

Great Summary

AidenShaw, but this would be terrible from my perspective. I have been holding off until January to buy a new laptop with the hope that Apple would be using Yonah processors. How will Apple's Dothan chips compete against PCs with Yonah chips in the consumer lines? I am not all that thrilled with the Dothan and would rather wait for the Merom chip, but the Yonah will do (I don't see 4GB or more of RAM in laptops being practical anytime soon). For me, if Apple only gives "consumers" the Dothan, then Apple may price itself out of my interest and my money may go elsewhere. The Dothan is old and so appear to be Apple's offerings.

NOTE: The big deal for me with the Dothan is that the max. FSB is 533 MHz and DDR2 533 still lags behind DDR 400. And this assumes that Apple won't mix 533 MHz memory (RAM) with a 400 MHz memory controller like Dell does on its Inspiron 6000 model and so limit actual memory speed to 400 MHz. Only with the Yonah chip and the increase to 667 will DDR2 become viable.

 

[Val-kyrie]

I think you should go find anice Powerbook thread to post this in. <snip> . . . as for 128MB vs 256MB of video ram... what the heck are you running that needs so much vram?

You do realize that external displays, such as Dell's 2005FPW, require Video cards that can access 128MB of VRAM (the 64 MB x300 borrows 64 MB from system memory to supplement) to run them. Not all of the VRAM is for the external display, but the requirement is there for a reason.

 

[andiwm2003]

You do realize that external displays, such as Dell's 2005FPW, require Video cards that can access 128MB of VRAM (the 64 MB x300 borrows 64 MB from system memory to supplement) to run them. Not all of the VRAM is for the external display, but the requirement is there for a reason.

i run my dell 2405fpw from my 15"PB with 64mb video ram. even with both displays on it's not a problem. why do you say you need 128mb for the 2005fpw?

 

[BGil]

Yeah, they really do need a 1GB standard. Most other Pre-build high-end PC's come with 1GB standard.

Nearly all retail PC's over $900 will come with a gig or more.

 

[BGil]

The thing is, that what BGil said wasn't nonsense as it made a whole lot of sense as I have read so many reports that Apple with its primitive market share acted like a primma donna a lot of times...

I like Apple but that doesn't mean everything that Apple says or does is great, the switch to Intel wasn't about performance per watt, you can be sure of that as Motorola/IBM has some interesting products in the pipeline most notably the CELL concept and as I posted a slide from Intel conference couple posts ago that basically shows how Intel will have a CELL-like multithreaded highly parallel architecture in 2010... Just shows that as always the Wintel monopoly is decreasing the speed of computer evolution as there are a lot of little companies that offer superior products but don't have the marketing power...

You lost me there.
Are you saying that Intel is moving to a multicore architecture because they no longer make processors for just Windows machines? Or that somehow having Apple as a customer is increasing Intel's amount of innovation? That's absurd.

If anything AMD is causing Intel's future innovation. Ever since the Opteron came out Intel has been running scared. Hell, even before that they were slashing prices like crazy and inventing things like "the megahertz myth" because AMD was kicking their ass with the Athlon and Athlon XP.

Intel's roadmap has nothing to do with Apple and their 3-4 million sales per year.

 

[DeepIn2U]

All Pentium 4's have SSE2. Pentium M (through the current Dothan) have SSE2. Pentium III have SSE.

Late (Prescott and later) Pentium 4's have SSE3. Pentium M from Yonah and beyond will have SSE3.

All 64-bit Pentiums have SSE3.

Many many thanks .

Guess right now I've got the first gen P4 running of 266mhz FSB.

G4 Cube on the way - hoping store still has it in 4 weeks! If not then on the hunt for an iBook G3 500/800Mhz with dual USB & Combodrive.

 

[duncandeath]

i think apple could be putting in a big up grade duel core because they need to.

with the xbox 360 out soon and ps3 next year apples and pc's are going to have to leap ahead again, if not consoles are going to be capable of better graphics.

anyone agree or im i talking crap?

 

[mrwonkers]

GET OVER IT

yeh Im one of them and if this is really the case legal action will be sought as Ive only had this machine for about 6 weeks.If a machine is released with almost double the power but for the same price,trust me I will get a refund or a replacement whether it be from apple or my Amex credit card company

I also about 2 weeks ago bought a dual PowerMac, and I must say it is very very fast. I have a widget that tracks how much of my CPU is ever used at once and he maximum it has ever reached is about 80%....for most of the time it hovers between 5-25% active usage. I edit and compress video commonly on this machine and find it flys with any task it is given. Sure I'd like a quad G5 also but I'm not gonna cry like a little girl coz I purchased at an unfortunate time, its a better machine than most people own so quit your bitching
If you really have a problem sell your machine on Ebay, Macs hold their value very well you'll probably only lose a coupla hundred dollars or so ...then you can buy a new model when they actually ship.
Life goes on get over it......

 

[lopresmb]

One more thing for everyone out there, this thread discusses DUAL (that is two) core processors NOT DUEL(ing) processors....at least I didn't we were talking about processor cores fighting amongst one another!!

 

[BGil]

i think apple could be putting in a big up grade duel core because they need to.

with the xbox 360 out soon and ps3 next year apples and pc's are going to have to leap ahead again, if not consoles are going to be capable of better graphics.

anyone agree or im i talking crap?

I don't really think Apple cares about that because if they did we'd have SLI and such on Macs. Apple's OpenGL implementation isn't very good anyway and it's definitely not tuned for gaming.

PC makers know they can't compete with consoles because of the large price difference. Even if a PC comes with the best video card it will never be as economical as a $350 Xbox or $400 PS3. The PC industry really doesn't compete with the console industry anymore.

 

[blitzkrieg79]

You lost me there.
Are you saying that Intel is moving to a multicore architecture because they no longer make processors for just Windows machines? Or that somehow having Apple as a customer is increasing Intel's amount of innovation? That's absurd.

If anything AMD is causing Intel's future innovation. Ever since the Opteron came out Intel has been running scared. Hell, even before that they were slashing prices like crazy and inventing things like "the megahertz myth" because AMD was kicking their ass with the Athlon and Athlon XP.

Intel's roadmap has nothing to do with Apple and their 3-4 million sales per year.

I don't know where did u get the idea of me saying that Intel is moving to a multicore architecture because they no longer make processors just for windows... Intel is moving to multicore because their MHZ Myth is backfiring against them as they can't pump up the clock rate anymore on their current designs...

All I said was that the Wintel monopoly slowed down the compute rinnovation as they have the marketing power, example, Amiga days, Amiga had a multitasking OS in the 80s, Amiga had dedicated multimedia acceleration chips built in the 80s, Amiga had a plug and play in the 80s...

Back then Intel and MS, basically of their marketing power, dictated customers what they need and what they dont... They basically slowed down the innovation and they are doing the same over and over again...

I have attached the slide I posted a while posts ago showing how Intel will move to a CELL-like architecture within 2010... Just shows again that IBM is a more innovative company than Intel as they already know that the current CPU designs are reaching its limits and its time for something radically new... Its time to go to the basics and simplyfy things of an overcluttered architecture...

 

[BGil]

I don't know where did u get the idea of me saying that Intel is moving to a multicore architecture because they no longer make processors just for windows... Intel is moving to multicore because their MHZ Myth is backfiring against them as they can't pump up the clock rate anymore on their current designs...

All I said was that the Wintel monopoly slowed down the compute rinnovation as they have the marketing power, example, Amiga days, Amiga had a multitasking OS in the 80s, Amiga had dedicated multimedia acceleration chips built in the 80s, Amiga had a plug and play in the 80s...

Back then Intel and MS, basically of their marketing power, dictated customers what they need and what they dont... They basically slowed down the innovation and they are doing the same over and over again...

I have attached the slide I posted a while posts ago showing how Intel will move to a CELL-like architecture within 2010... Just shows again that IBM is a more innovative company than Intel as they already know that the current CPU designs are reaching its limits and its time for something radically new... Its time to go to the basics and simplyfy things of an overcluttered architecture...

Okay, I see what you're saying but those IBM/Toshiba/Sony Cell processors aren't for personal computers so it's kinda hard to compare it to X86.