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Dual-Core PowerMacs, New G4 PowerBook, and G5 Mini?
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FF_productions said:
The eMac keeps surviving tnx to its CRT screen, becasue it is tough enough to withstand the forces of the little folk.
I wonder how long Apple decide to keep the CRT-Mac alive.
Finally!!! Rumors!
It's very good to hear rumors about Apple updates. People were complaining about the silence around all updates.
I'll be glad to see these updates happening. It will be very good to Apple, and for those searching for a new Mac. I think it will help people to switch more and more, because they will see that Apple is offering better products and up to date computers by the same money. Much more mac for the same amount of dollars.
So, go Apple!
It's very good to hear rumors about Apple updates. People were complaining about the silence around all updates.
I'll be glad to see these updates happening. It will be very good to Apple, and for those searching for a new Mac. I think it will help people to switch more and more, because they will see that Apple is offering better products and up to date computers by the same money. Much more mac for the same amount of dollars.
So, go Apple!
I got my Mac Mini within a few days of you (1st or 2nd week of March). I'd be happy if they put a G5 in the Mac Mini. I probably wouldn't buy one - I'm waiting for a rev. b Mactel PowerMac. Still a G5 in a Mac Mini would be good for consumers, good for that product line and good for Apple. Just because you'd rather have one than the G4 Mac Mini you willingly choose to buy because you probably thought it was worth your money doesn't mean Apple is obligated to hold that product back to stave off your jealousy. If you want a G5 Mac Mini that bad, sell your current Mini and buy one when they come out (if they come out).nsjoker said:my mac mini isn't that old, i think i got it march 7th or something... but i would still be pissed off if they put a g5 in there within a 6 month period
Why are you upset that Apple is moving the line forward? By your logic, unless you are a firm believer in double-standards, Apple could never improve any product because someone will have always bought one somewhat recently. Although I suppose after a few decades nobody would buy the product and then it would be "okay" to update it.
re: eMac
And they're big & heavy, which makes them harder to steal & knock over.
MacsRgr8 said:
And they're big & heavy, which makes them harder to steal & knock over.
Intel in January? Huh?
Where did people get this notion of Intel-based Macs in January?
At WWDC (June 2005) didn't Steve say that there would be Intel-based Macs "this time next year"? As in, "June 2006"?
So where did people come up with Intel macs in time for Macworld San Francisco in January?
SiliconAddict said:
Where did people get this notion of Intel-based Macs in January?
At WWDC (June 2005) didn't Steve say that there would be Intel-based Macs "this time next year"? As in, "June 2006"?
So where did people come up with Intel macs in time for Macworld San Francisco in January?
ZildjianKX said:
Now you're right! I was thinking about it just before reading your post.
Wise words, man!
mrhoratio said:
Outdated? PowerPC based macs will probably run everything as fast, or faster, than their Intel counterparts for a while. The simple truth is that commercial software vendors will likely roll in the fat binary into a paid upgrade plan. This, in turn, would mean a 20% speed decrease on Intel hardware. Since most Mac computer revisions are 20% or less raw speed improvement, you'll see slower performance from Rosetta enabled apps on an Intel mac unless you *pay* for the upgrades when they are available.
If you need something now, buy something now. If you can afford to wait and are a technosexual then maybe you wait... I can see the logic in it if you're simply inetersted in the tech. But it doesn't make sense from a productivity or cost standpoint.
Lacero said:
A single dual core processor will be faster than dual single core processors. Overhead, overhead, overhead...
I hope this is wrong. I mean I just bought a Powerbook, and would be highly pissed off if one month later they came out with faster, more effeicent processors, and HD SCREENS!!!!! I mean that would be like the update of the century. The only powerbook weaknesses would be demolished well except for backlgihted keyboard. Yet, thats small wiggles compared to this. I mean seriously if this happens ohh man....thos epoeple waiting for 6 months will sure be happy.
My thinking is the Mac mini will be Intel based
Why? Think how many mini's will sell then. Apple needs a platform to get the software kinks worked out. Better to do it with the mini than the Power Mac. Plus, buyers of the mini probably won't get much other software than what comes with it. You won't see mini buyers getting Adobe Suite or Final Cut Studio. You might see a few wanting to run MS Office, but they will probably settle for iWorks. Which leads me to think that Apple will announce a spreadsheet application as well.
I think it makes perfect sense. OS X will run on Intel NOW. iLife will run on Intel NOW. And I'm pretty sure iWorks will run on Intel NOW. So why not bring out a system that will run a current Intel Pentium M based processor now. We all know the Power Macs will run an Intel dual core low wattage chip that will debut sometime next year. So there's no point in waiting for the Mac Mini to use an Intel processor.
Here's the timeline as I see it.
September 2005 - Mac Mini's go Intel
January 2006 - PowerBooks/iBooks go Intel
March 2006 - ??? (Maybe PowerBooks slip)
June 2006 - iMacs go Intel
September 2006 - Power Macs go Intel
Why? Think how many mini's will sell then. Apple needs a platform to get the software kinks worked out. Better to do it with the mini than the Power Mac. Plus, buyers of the mini probably won't get much other software than what comes with it. You won't see mini buyers getting Adobe Suite or Final Cut Studio. You might see a few wanting to run MS Office, but they will probably settle for iWorks. Which leads me to think that Apple will announce a spreadsheet application as well.
I think it makes perfect sense. OS X will run on Intel NOW. iLife will run on Intel NOW. And I'm pretty sure iWorks will run on Intel NOW. So why not bring out a system that will run a current Intel Pentium M based processor now. We all know the Power Macs will run an Intel dual core low wattage chip that will debut sometime next year. So there's no point in waiting for the Mac Mini to use an Intel processor.
Here's the timeline as I see it.
September 2005 - Mac Mini's go Intel
January 2006 - PowerBooks/iBooks go Intel
March 2006 - ??? (Maybe PowerBooks slip)
June 2006 - iMacs go Intel
September 2006 - Power Macs go Intel
~Shard~ said:
Bingo. We really aren't going to have any clue as to when to expect x86 hardware until sept. No hardware could easily end up being as exciting as new hardware.
All of this sounds great if only Apple would actually do it. But if they did, this is the tract they should be on and it begs the question of why they would then be moving to Intel. BTW, G4 dual core Powerbooks sure would be nice
Why is so many people expecting the Mini to bulk up in power so quickly in its first year?
My guess, for Apple not giving it a G5 as of yet is two fold. A Mac Mini with a G5 would kill sales of the iMac - it would essentially become a headless iMac; you could put in your own superdrive since Tiger now supports multiple drives that arent shipped from Apple, and it would be priced so much cheaper than the iMac that even if it didnt have Airport Extreme & BT v2.0+EDR (nice its in the new iBook G4 - I'm getting one in 5 weeks tops!!) its still would canabilize iMac G5 sales.
The Mac Mini is for 1 sole purpose: to lure agonized Windows users (whom already have a Monitor, Keyboard, and mouse, to the Mac platform!!! Now, that said and understood, the Mini shouldnt yet have an update, at least until July next year when the PowerBooks, iBooks, and iMac's goto Intels weather Yonahs single or dual cores. When the iMacs goto say 2.4/2.6Ghz G5's or to a single Dual-Core Intel Yonah THEN the Mac Mini should get the G5 at say 1.8Ghz as IBM may still hold Apple to sell ANY remaining chips of that state due to contractual agreements. Hypothetically speaking/thinking.
In the meantime the Mini's should either get more RAM, BT v2.0 & maybe even Single Layer DVD-RW/R support as default across the lineup for the next update.
Dual Core PowerMacs is very welcome; Just hope those of you selling your Current G5's at EBay will consider us Joy-Schmoe's weak paychecks in mind; please.,
My guess, for Apple not giving it a G5 as of yet is two fold. A Mac Mini with a G5 would kill sales of the iMac - it would essentially become a headless iMac; you could put in your own superdrive since Tiger now supports multiple drives that arent shipped from Apple, and it would be priced so much cheaper than the iMac that even if it didnt have Airport Extreme & BT v2.0+EDR (nice its in the new iBook G4 - I'm getting one in 5 weeks tops!!) its still would canabilize iMac G5 sales.
The Mac Mini is for 1 sole purpose: to lure agonized Windows users (whom already have a Monitor, Keyboard, and mouse, to the Mac platform!!!
Now, that said and understood, the Mini shouldnt yet have an update, at least until July next year when the PowerBooks, iBooks, and iMac's goto Intels weather Yonahs single or dual cores. When the iMacs goto say 2.4/2.6Ghz G5's or to a single Dual-Core Intel Yonah THEN the Mac Mini should get the G5 at say 1.8Ghz as IBM may still hold Apple to sell ANY remaining chips of that state due to contractual agreements. Hypothetically speaking/thinking.In the meantime the Mini's should either get more RAM, BT v2.0 & maybe even Single Layer DVD-RW/R support as default across the lineup for the next update.
Dual Core PowerMacs is very welcome; Just hope those of you selling your Current G5's at EBay will consider us Joy-Schmoe's weak paychecks in mind; please.,
a no no state of mind
Man, i want a major update soon, and boy i always get so excited by new rumours, but jeez i cant handle a dissapointment once more. September is me birthday. Let it be a good one.
Man, i want a major update soon, and boy i always get so excited by new rumours, but jeez i cant handle a dissapointment once more. September is me birthday. Let it be a good one.
zap2 said:
The eMac is a dying breed. Or at least the CRT eMac is. If they put a G5 in an eMac they may as well go LCD and make their entire line they same type of display tech but then you have the iMac. Guys you are hoping for an update to a product that is in the mist of being discontinued. Yes we will see another itteration of the PowerMac but that isn't sched to be moved over to x86 until 2007. I honestly think the eMac is dead in 2006. When they move the iMac over to the x86 there is prob going to be a model that replaces the eMac at the low end of the iMac scale Maybe even running a Celery M that is just the older Pentium M's. So Dual core Pentium D's for the high end iMac and a single core Celeron M....No that doesn't sound right either. I don't think Apple is going to screw with multiple "types" of CPU's in a line. Maybe there is a future for the eMac....hmmm
PowerMac - Dual core dual CPU Pentium D's
iMac - Dual core Pentium D's
eMac - Celery M's (Which are Pentium M's.)
Mac Mini - Celery M's (Which are Pentium M's.)
Hmmm.
New G4 PowerBooks Released ??
Uhh......take a look at Apple's site. Does it appear that they've released the new PowerBooks already ?? I think they did....but they're being pretty quiet about it. I just got the newest issue of PC Connection in the mail today and on pages 14 & 15 there's an ad for the PowerBooks and it says "Brace for Impact ! New, Smarter, Faster PowerBooks are Here !"
Faster: Up to 1.67 Ghz PowerPC G4
More Memory: 512 Standard
More Room: Up to 100 GB Hard Drives
More Nimble: Scrolling Trackpad standard
Hotter: Available 8X DVD Burning
Safer: Sudden Motion Sensor standard
Ready To Run: iLife '05 preloaded
It doesn't look like there's any announcement at all on any of Apple's main pages.......you have to go straight to the PowerBook page in the Apple Store to see anything about it at all. Must not have been too excited about the updates if they're doing it that way.
Everybody go and take a look. Go to the Apple Store and click on the PowerBooks like your going to buy one and I think you'll see the new info there. Buried pretty deep on the site I'd say !!
Am I wrong ??
Uhh......take a look at Apple's site. Does it appear that they've released the new PowerBooks already ?? I think they did....but they're being pretty quiet about it. I just got the newest issue of PC Connection in the mail today and on pages 14 & 15 there's an ad for the PowerBooks and it says "Brace for Impact ! New, Smarter, Faster PowerBooks are Here !"
Faster: Up to 1.67 Ghz PowerPC G4
More Memory: 512 Standard
More Room: Up to 100 GB Hard Drives
More Nimble: Scrolling Trackpad standard
Hotter: Available 8X DVD Burning
Safer: Sudden Motion Sensor standard
Ready To Run: iLife '05 preloaded
It doesn't look like there's any announcement at all on any of Apple's main pages.......you have to go straight to the PowerBook page in the Apple Store to see anything about it at all. Must not have been too excited about the updates if they're doing it that way.
Everybody go and take a look. Go to the Apple Store and click on the PowerBooks like your going to buy one and I think you'll see the new info there. Buried pretty deep on the site I'd say !!
Am I wrong ??
philoye said:
He said at this time next year we would already have intel macs shipping. (not word for word but what he ment) so that means before June 2006 and theres no huge conferences that they could kick it off at besides MWSF.
jocknerd said:
... except Jobs specifically stated the transition would not be complete until late 2007. That means you're, at best, 6 to 12 months optimistic with the PowerMac and PowerBook predictions.
Hey, we can always hope he was wrong.
philoye said:
This is quickly becoming one of those things that gains credibility just because people on these and other forums keep saying it over and over again. As far as I know, there is nothing pointing to Intel based Macs coming out at MWSF '06. The only thing we have to go by is Steve's "this time next year" which you already mentioned.
I hope there are Intel based Macs in January, but it is a hope, not a fact.
Frobozz said:
No no. This is what I was guessing when the dust settles in 2007. My thinking being that the eMac could still have its place as a non-headless very low end Mac as long as prices reflect that.