AidenShaw said:
Essentially was the key word. I am impying that such arguments are just simple comparisons of who has the bigger phallus. Its a philisophical point I read and believe.
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Essentially was the key word. I am impying that such arguments are just simple comparisons of who has the bigger phallus. Its a philisophical point I read and believe.
Squire said:
"Devil's advocate" implies that I don't believe what I'm typing, which is mostly untrue.
Is there a cliche which means "attempts to get the reader to question simplistic arguments"?
There are too many arguments like "clearly OSX is superior" without any support. I'm just trying to get people to flesh out their arguments, because often things will not end up in black-and-white.
"Cool", "Reliable" and "Safe" are three overly simplistic claims, that's all. No discussion of "safe" can ignore "what if one of the real holes in OSX gets hit" and "what about Vista?". "Safe" is relative, and fleeting.
AidenShaw said:
There will always be woulda, coulda, shoulda arguments on any subject concerning justifying personal choice. Facts are there have been lots of security patches released for all major operating systems. Facts are there are nearly an equal number of attacks per hour on all kinds of systems when attached to the internet. Facts are that Blockerware is a mostly reactiveware in that it blocks what has been found on the internet. Found means the malware has already done damage and now a fix is found making the block reactive or after the fact.
Anecdotal evidence are stories of folks having their hard drives reformated because their computer operations were no longer acceptable to the owner. My personal experience is my daughter who had all the security patches from MicroSoft and the recommended blockerware. In the summer of 2004 her computer repair guy started over by reformating and installing everything again. For Christmas 2004 I gave her a used iMac with OSX installed. According to her and her kids that computer is running the same today as the day they got it. It has never crashed. The kids are teenagers and download everything. Since then my son in law, granddaughter and grandson have asked for a Mac. My son in law still has his Windows machine set up in hopes the kids would use it so he can do photography on the Mac. No one likes the PC "because its slow and hangs up".
Cool I admit is extremely subjective. My grand kids are wearing some stuff they call cool. I have another description. I used the term "cool" because of the number of times I have heard the word used in association with Apple in the news and not with other electronics manufactures.
Safe is my idea because I bank and trade stocks using the internet. When I saw thousands of malwares being found by scan routines on my childrens computers during our visits I stopped using their computers for fear of having my passwords made public. I have an iMac G5 now and brought it along when visiting for extended periods. I can setup in seconds and have no fear of exposing my private information.
Future tense of internet security. What evidence do we have that the Windows folks know how to design and build a secure system? I can find, on the web, stories of security exploits on Windows following a security update release. Last week MicroSoft release a patch because others were beating them to the punch by releasing patches on their own to help plug the breach problem. The current version of Windows has been in public use for several years and was breached again last week. The patch patched a patch.
Companies that use computers to generate cash flow can add significantly to their bottom line when they can stop being concerned on an hourly basis about computer malware. ISP's like AOL, EarthLink and such do not charge their customers more to provide Blockware they pay for it and give it away to keep customers. If they could stop providing blockware they could immediately add to their bottom line. Its hard to determine if operating systems that are prone to malware are worth their keep when loss of privacy is considered.
Back to my original point. Apple will sell a computer that when using their operating system is historically less affected by computer malware and can also run the operating systems and applications available from other vendors. No other company has a product to sell with the ability to run any operating system and applications at any price. I say that unique characteristic, ability to execute any desktop operating system and application set, makes Apple attractive to value conscious buyers.
What do you think?
Jim
As long as you're spinning wild theories...
With only one new Intel chip available, there's little to distinguish a potential new iBook from a new Powerbook. In my opinion CPU clock speed doesn't cut it.
Anyone for a Powerbook Quad?
BearRanger
With only one new Intel chip available, there's little to distinguish a potential new iBook from a new Powerbook. In my opinion CPU clock speed doesn't cut it.
Anyone for a Powerbook Quad?
BearRanger
AidenShaw said:
But I already told you I was not arguing. Just stating an opinion. And again why do you care about fair, smart agruments and the such so much as to make attempts to be a self-assigned teacher?
Sic humor... is this XP at work?
My daughter loves these guys and named her dog after them. Here is their take on computing problems.....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7005287363704755088&q=computer
Jim
Squire said:
My daughter loves these guys and named her dog after them. Here is their take on computing problems.....
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7005287363704755088&q=computer
Jim
BearRanger said:
That is a smart statement that leads me to believe a few possible scenarios.
1. Ibook is release side by side with powerbook at mwsf. Ibook has yonah single core processor while powerbook has duo core. ibook clocks at 1.66ghz and powerbook's duo cores clock out at different higher ghz amounts depending on model. Ibooks ship right away while pwerbooks ship in a month.
2. Ibooks released with 1.66ghz pentium m/centrino techknowledgy at mwsf. No powerbooks for a month. They will have the dual core yonah processors.
3. Ibooks released with low end duo core yonahs while powerbooks are released with higher end yonahs and amazing new features that show definate difference with ibooks. all this at mwsf.
4. Ibooks and powerbooks stay the same and recieve price cut. Maybe a few new features are added on. Jobs announces better timeframe for intel notebooks.
5. same scenario as 2 but with powerbooks also getting released. powerbooks get duo core yonahs.
RESULTING PRICES FOR EACH SCENARIO and likeliness of scenario actually coming true.
1. same price as current models: 10% chance due to the fact that the pirice difference between single and duo core is only around $20
2. ibook models get $100 price drop. Powerbook models drop a couple hundred in price while apple tries to get rid of remaining models.: 10% chance due to the fact that.............. I dunno. It just seems unlikely.
3. ibook and powerbook models stay the same price.: 25% chance based on all these rumors that ibooks are getting yonahs. It wouldn't be fair if powerbooks didn't get better overall laptops asap.
4. 1-2 hundred dollar price cut.: 5% due to all these rumors going around about mactels.
5. ibook models get $100 price drop. Powerbook prices will possibly change a small bit (unlikely price drop for powerbooks).: 50% chance because this way apple makes everbody happy while also not sacrificing any of their own sales. ibooks will drop in price so mac has a laptop to compete with a larger amount of the consumer laptop market.
PS I think the new laptops will totally kill competitors!!!!
AidenShaw said:"Devil's advocate" implies that I don't believe what I'm typing, which is mostly untrue.
Is there a cliche which means "attempts to get the reader to question simplistic arguments"?
There are too many arguments like "clearly OSX is superior" without any support. I'm just trying to get people to flesh out their arguments, because often things will not end up in black-and-white.
Ok. So just trying to make the dialogue a little more thought-invoking, eh? I can appreciate that.
prewwii said:
I can't get the video to run but it looks like it's those guys from American Chopper. I can only imagine what they say.
-Squire
BearRanger said:With only one new Intel chip available, there's little to distinguish a potential new iBook from a new Powerbook. In my opinion CPU clock speed doesn't cut it.
Anyone for a Powerbook Quad?
BearRanger
Hey Bear.... I with you in hoping for a Quad. Apple is good at over coming problems and the Quad is a potential problem. Battery life. P=I*E and I is the problem. More processors need more I (amps, current) and batteries have a limited supply until recharged. ARGH!!! One solution path is power management, another is lower E (voltage). Power management takes power to run and lower E means slower logic.
Of course when someone says it can't be done they had better be ready to get out of the way of the person who will do it.
Jim
AidenShaw said:"Devil's advocate" implies that I don't believe what I'm typing, which is mostly untrue.
Is there a cliche which means "attempts to get the reader to question simplistic arguments"?
There are too many arguments like "clearly OSX is superior" without any support. I'm just trying to get people to flesh out their arguments, because often things will not end up in black-and-white.
WindowsSUCKSX5 said:
Aiden,
I just had an epiphany of sorts. I think I know what you mean now.
Squire
I think its a Window Media deal. I found a Quicktime extension called Flip4Mac sometime ago that allowes WMV files to be played with Safari. Must be working because I can play the file.Squire said:
I am guessing that you have a Mac and browsing with Safari.
For those that are having the same problem as Squire the video is about the guy who does not regularly save and his computer crashes. The keyboard proves to not be axe resistent.
Kind of carrying the old CP/M copied to DOS thing of strike any key to an extreme.
Jim
Has a point... and shame on me for saying so...
Let's see if I can recall all the stutter-starts and just plain non-starters: Taligent, Pink, Copland, Gershwin, Liberachi (kidding!)... I probably missed a few in there, and I think Taligent and Pink were "related". But the point is, Apple struggled for years to find a realistic and achievable foundation for a future OS. Then there were rumors of Apple buying the BeOS - imagine Jean Louis Gasse trying to work a crowd with, "One more thing...". However, the price was too steep. Next thing you know, Apple has dished out even more than Be's rumored price to buy NEXT and its NextStep (or was it OpenStep?) - I seem to recall $470 Million?
Even then Apple had to put in 3 years of labor (1997-2000?), throwing terms like Rhapsody, Yellowbox, Redbox, Bluebox, Whateverbox at us, before the beta of MacOS X emerged... That was approximately 7 years or more of pain for users & developers alike. And even then version 10.1 was the first "useable" version. I know, that's when I first put MacOS 9 "in the closet" of my hard drive, only taking it back out for emergencies.
However, that still doesn't completely excuse Microsoft's inneptitude in that they had close to $40 Billion IN THE BANK, with thousands of programmers at their disposaal, and still could not write a modern OS in a timely manner... Heck, they had to pull hundreds of those people off Longhorn so they could work on security patches - was there any piece of Microsoft software that didn't have the swiss cheese of holes in its code base?
Now I think they're just trying to rush it to market (just like the xBox 360) just so they can say they accomplished something. Nevermind that it's missing half its promised feature-set, or that it's easily 2 years behind schedule...
But back on topic - Yonah notebooks:
Dell is also listing one, so I went to their online store to price it out. Not expected to ship until Feb. 13th, though. Here's the link to configure the Inspiron E1705, so check it out for yourself. Sounds like a 17" PowerBook would be similar. http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=19&kc=ref&oc=ie1705s1&x=8&y=9
PS: Just for a hoot, check out this page for Dell: http://www.dell.com/html/us/products/ces/index.htm
How many of us can remember "Diesel"? That was the nickname for Spindler, who was going to whip Apple into shape. Then it was Amelio - don't ask me what his nickname was... But between them they saw Apple thrash about madly and in vain trying to find some cohesive vision for the MacOS's future.shawnce said:
Let's see if I can recall all the stutter-starts and just plain non-starters: Taligent, Pink, Copland, Gershwin, Liberachi (kidding!)... I probably missed a few in there, and I think Taligent and Pink were "related". But the point is, Apple struggled for years to find a realistic and achievable foundation for a future OS. Then there were rumors of Apple buying the BeOS - imagine Jean Louis Gasse trying to work a crowd with, "One more thing...". However, the price was too steep. Next thing you know, Apple has dished out even more than Be's rumored price to buy NEXT and its NextStep (or was it OpenStep?) - I seem to recall $470 Million?
Even then Apple had to put in 3 years of labor (1997-2000?), throwing terms like Rhapsody, Yellowbox, Redbox, Bluebox, Whateverbox at us, before the beta of MacOS X emerged... That was approximately 7 years or more of pain for users & developers alike. And even then version 10.1 was the first "useable" version. I know, that's when I first put MacOS 9 "in the closet" of my hard drive, only taking it back out for emergencies.
However, that still doesn't completely excuse Microsoft's inneptitude in that they had close to $40 Billion IN THE BANK, with thousands of programmers at their disposaal, and still could not write a modern OS in a timely manner... Heck, they had to pull hundreds of those people off Longhorn so they could work on security patches - was there any piece of Microsoft software that didn't have the swiss cheese of holes in its code base?
Now I think they're just trying to rush it to market (just like the xBox 360) just so they can say they accomplished something. Nevermind that it's missing half its promised feature-set, or that it's easily 2 years behind schedule...
But back on topic - Yonah notebooks:
Dell is also listing one, so I went to their online store to price it out. Not expected to ship until Feb. 13th, though. Here's the link to configure the Inspiron E1705, so check it out for yourself. Sounds like a 17" PowerBook would be similar. http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=19&kc=ref&oc=ie1705s1&x=8&y=9
PS: Just for a hoot, check out this page for Dell: http://www.dell.com/html/us/products/ces/index.htm
Norse Son said:
In the fall of 1957 the 1958 Edsel came out with a grill that reminds me of this Dell offering.
Ford was an inovator then bring the next years model out in the fall of the previous model year. A trend that continues today.
I think 2006 will be the year of the blur. PC box companies will have a hard time distinquishing themselves for a competive advantage over Apple. They all use the same processors and associated perpheral. The operating system(s) they can run will be a significant difference along with service and not much else.
For MicroSoft they just added a potential new platform to their list of "this software runs on".
Wake up the spin doctors the show is about to begin.
Jim
This Windows vs. MacOS X debate needs its own Thread...
But this particular forum thread is not about that. It is about the recent announcements of PC laptops that will feature the Yonah/Napa platform and of how that might portend Apple's own PowerBook renaissance...
Can someone take this "fork in the road" off into its own proper thread? That way we can use this thread to salivate & "what if" about what Steve Jobs may unveil in less than 2 days.
Love ya! Just don't let the door hit ya on the way out!
Look, I'll join in this fun & lively debate head first. I've never understood what drives a majority of computer users to choose an OS platform that is so riddled with security risks that it's safer to tango drunk & blindfoled on the freeway...windowuser82 said:
But this particular forum thread is not about that. It is about the recent announcements of PC laptops that will feature the Yonah/Napa platform and of how that might portend Apple's own PowerBook renaissance...
Can someone take this "fork in the road" off into its own proper thread? That way we can use this thread to salivate & "what if" about what Steve Jobs may unveil in less than 2 days.
Love ya! Just don't let the door hit ya on the way out!
Norse Son said:
Oh my god, that is laugh out loud hilarious!
"THE POWER OF CREATION IS ALIGNED ALONG ELEMENTAL PATHS.
The first is fire, then water, followed by air.
The last is common to all; the foundation without which the others cannot express their respective characters.
In nature, that foundation is earth. In technology, it is Dell."
Did you guys see that 20-inch portable brief case looking thing that Dell showed at the Intel keynote? I couldn't imagine a purpose for it, but I guess others might. I just thought "good grief. that a heavy mess."
I just thought "good grief. that a heavy mess."
Glad that I could make you laugh... This topic was in desparate need of some humor.LaMerVipere said:Oh my god, that is laugh out loud hilarious!
"THE POWER OF CREATION IS ALIGNED ALONG ELEMENTAL PATHS.
The first is fire, then water, followed by air.
The last is common to all; the foundation without which the others cannot express their respective characters.
In nature, that foundation is earth. In technology, it is Dell."
Anyone know how soon tom. we will hear some news? I have to be at work form 1-10 tom. and am hoping to get anything big before then.
AidenShaw said:http://news.com.com/Dell+shows+off+speedy+game+PC/2100-1042_3-6020407.html
"Speaking to a crowd at the Consumer Electronics Show here, the Dell Computer founder showed off a new gaming PC that includes several high-end components, including a "factory overclocked" 4.26GHz Intel Pentium Extreme Edition.
Dell's Limited Edition XPS 600 Renegade, which is expected to be available this quarter, also includes four Nvidia graphics processors in an airbrushed fiery red case designed by Michael Lavallee"
Now, ain't that purty! (where's the emoticon for "hurling"?)
Dell has absolutely no sense of style. Flames are what rednecks and 10 year olds think are cool.
AidenShaw said:
You keep saying how much you don't like all of these mac computer model's looks, so i was wondering which you owned if any at all.
Nothing from Apple, except for a black Nano that I use as a 4 GB thumb drive - it won't play any of my music files. I use my Creative Nano for music....WindowsSUCKSX5 said:
AidenShaw said:
Why did you buy it then? And if it was a gift, converters are pretty easy to get ahold of.
AidenShaw said:
may i ask why you even take so much time to spend on this web site at all if your so anti apple. what is the point? I wouldn't waste all this time talking about something i didn't actually like in some way, shape or form.