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Dual Core Yonah PC Notebook Specs

Since I have nothing to compare it with it could fit into a rumored MiniMedia and keep the price structure..

Whether or not it's as powerful (sic) as the G4 1.67 I don't know.
 
Yonah prices

I hope Apple doesn't put single core Yonahs in the iBook or Mac Mini just to cripple them compared to the PowerBook and Power Mac. For the performance difference between single and dual cores under OS X, I would take a dual core over a single core every time for the measly $32 price difference. The only other consideration would be power consumption, in the case of the iBooks.
 
don't the processors have the ability to shut down a core when it doesn't need both cores? Therefore there wouldn't really be any power conservation gains to be made by only using a single core chip.
 
Peace said:
What it means is it's for sale.Now.
From the link you provided :

Yonah processor Single Core
Mobile (FCBGA6 / FCPGA6) Dec '05 (12/11)
Price Jan '06 (01/02)
Price % Decrease
T1300 (2M L2 cache 1.66 GHz 667 MHz FSB 65nm) - $209
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Woah. Wait a second. Does this mean that Core Solo is available in the same timeframe as the duo. IMHO this was the only thing holding up the iBook being Yonah-ized. IF this is the case we very well could see iBook AND PowerBook launches tom....gah next week. I've been doing that all day long. Saying tomorrow. DAMN IT! I'm going to explode if that keynote doesn't come out soon!!
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pawnstar said:
don't the processors have the ability to shut down a core when it doesn't need both cores? Therefore there wouldn't really be any power conservation gains to be made by only using a single core chip.
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Its not that simple.
 
SiliconAddict said:
Woah. Wait a second. Does this mean that Core Solo is available in the same timeframe as the duo. IMHO this was the only thing holding up the iBook being Yonah-ized. IF this is the case we very well could see iBook AND PowerBook launches tom....gah next week. I've been doing that all day long. Saying tomorrow. DAMN IT! I'm going to explode if that keynote doesn't come out soon!!
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Apple typically doesnt upgrade a entire market segment at the same time. More likely that they will space out the announcements to maintain the buzz factor as evenly as possible...
 
Sunrunner said:
Apple typically doesnt upgrade a entire market segment at the same time. More likely that they will space out the announcements to maintain the buzz factor as evenly as possible...
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There hasn't been anything typical about Apple in the last 12 months. Mac Mini, x86 transition, etc. Apple may want to get all of their wares out there now before any of the other Core Duo systems can take the spotlight. We know that the market is only weeks away (In a couple cases days.) from launching their offerings. Apple putting an artificial buffer between their laptop launches doesn't make much sense. A couple years ago I would have agreed. The transition somewhat changes things IMHO. The dynamics of Apple’s hardware release patters are going to have to change with the transition.
 
Littleodie914 said:
That's definitely impressive... A lot of posters have been talking about how it's only 6 hours of battery life, which isn't a huge improvement from what the Apple laptops have now. One thing you gotta realize though, this is an amazingly powerful machine... 2GB of RAM and a 512MB Graphics Card? That thing's a beast! Plus, it's not like Windows laptops before this point ever got 6 hours... I remember shopping around for a laptop a while back and saw them happy when they could claim their laptop got 2-3 hours. Twice the time sure isn't bad for me... Maybe we'll get 7-9 when Apple gets ahold of them? :D :eek:
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I agree... Here's my story... First i bought an iBook 1.33 ghz... which was fine for mainstream office work, but i also used for design and video editing which required more power and the ibook just didn't quite live up to that. So i decided to sell it. Then i bought (don't boeee me yet ;)) a dell inspiron 9300 with a 1.8 pentium m, 1 gb of ram, 100 gb hdd, 256 mb Geforce 6 Go, etc... This machine was a huge difference to the ibook, heck it was even faster then my current pc (amd ahtlonxp 2600+, 1 gb, 300gb hdd, 9800xt, etc).
But the battery life sucked big time... it indicated (after a clean install of windows) 3:55 hours... that was just in desktop mode. Dell said it would last 3:30 min standard.
Anyway, as soon you started a program or did anything remotely straining, it would cut an hour of its life. So i decided for a refund, which currently being handled. Ive now decided to go back to Apple and get a powerbook, maybe the current one.. or wait what apple has to say @ macworld. Anyway, my point is... that although this ACER has a batterylife of 6 hours.. i can guarantuee you that it won't last that long unless you're staring at the desktop. The dual core yonah has a powerconsumption of 46W... and with a x1600 this should drain you battery very quickly....
So don't put all your hopes into this yonah... its very quick i agree... but its also not to shy about eating your battery... And if Apple will use it... then i dont really expect a huge difference between the pc version.. because it still the same technology inside the laptop....
 
jbouklas said:
One more thing- we're talking middle of the road processors here. This is not the "high performance" variation of the Yonah, which will top 2.0GHz. This is the chip class that encompasses from 1.66GHz through 2.0GHz. Higher speed versions will be introduced later in the year, likely in the next two to three months, according to Intel's roadmap. There is plenty of room for the PowerBooks to expand.

-Jim
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The high performance versions of Yonah are never going to go in any powerbook imho.:)

The TDP for them is is on the order of 50-60w, and are meant primarily for people wanting to run them in desktops. The 2.16ghz dual-core at launch should be plenty fast for any powerbook. There is a rumored 2.33 speed increase in a couple months, right before merom.
 
jbouklas said:
As MacinDoc accurately points out, it's a $32 difference between the single-core Yonah and the dual-core Yonah.
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there will be a bit more to it than that. the dual-core will draw more power, so add in the cost of a bigger battery. it will also be hotter, so add in the cost of a more extensive cooling system and an even bigger battery.

plus Apple just plain likes to maintain artificial spaces keeping their product lines separate - just look at the iBooks and PowerBooks today.

to me it makes no sense for the iBook to go Intel before the PowerBook does. what will Apple's Pro customers say when the iBook can outpreform the PowerBook and do it for half again as long on a single charge?

I'd suggest that either both will go Intel, or the PowerBook will go Intel and the iBook will get a simple speed bump into the 1.5-1.67 GHz slot where the PB is today. Apple has done those 1 month updates before.
 
one3 said:
Quite a few current PC Notebooks of similar size currently have a battery life of about 3 hours ... so 6 hours is actually quite good in comparison.
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well, compared to pc laptops. switching to intel doesn't mean apple can become complacent with wintel like quality. apple's had laptops with the 5-6 hour range for a while now, it's only natural to expect improvement
 
jbouklas said:
Something that I do find interesting is how the rumor sites, this included, haven't even speculated as to the exact specs of the iBooks or Minis. Usually, by this time (four days before the keynote), ThinkSecret and MacRumors would have some sort of analysis and price points. Odd.

-Jim
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I have to agree, seems like all the rumors have dried up a bit. I would expect more this close.
 
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nxent said:
apple's had laptops with the 5-6 hour range for a while now, it's only natural to expect improvement
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Apple has been *claiming* 5 to 6 hours, but every conference and meeting that I've been to recently you find the few people with white plastic power bricks clustered by the extension cords - and the people with the Centrino systems sitting anywhere.

Is 5 to 6 hours really happening today with the books in real use?
 
AidenShaw said:
Apple has been *claiming* 5 to 6 hours, but every conference and meeting that I've been to recently you find the few people with white plastic power bricks clustered by the extension cords - and the people with the Centrino systems sitting anywhere.

Is 5 to 6 hours really happening today with the books in real use?
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No.
 
AidenShaw said:
Apple has been *claiming* 5 to 6 hours, but every conference and meeting that I've been to recently you find the few people with white plastic power bricks clustered by the extension cords - and the people with the Centrino systems sitting anywhere.

Is 5 to 6 hours really happening today with the books in real use?
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Yes, 4.5+ for me. 1.5 Ghz P/B. I don't know about 6...
 
After seeing all of this new stuff from CES... Apple needs to move by leaps and bounds.

Not that I'm intimidated by any of the devices, but I think Apple needs to move a little faster with creating more video content for iTMS, Front Row needs to become the home entertainment hub, and whatever Intel Macs (are released, if any) need to blow everything out of the water.

Microsoft is making in-roads by getting some DirectTV content on their newest devices. We'll see how it goes. The Media PC hasn't been revamped, but lots of companies are sure pushing it now. And then there's Acer's amazing Yonah machine (http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2697):

"Intel Core Duo 2.0GHz processor (Intel Yonah processor)
2GB RAM 533/677
15.4" WXGA screen
Seagate 120GB 5400rpm SATA Hard Drive
ATI Radeon X1600 256MB (256 dedicated while 256MB can be borrowed from main memory)
DVD-DL Burner
Built-in 1.3 Mega pixel camera, with 225-degree swivel ability
New Intel Pro wireless 3945 a/b/g
Built-in VOIP capability
Weight of 6.6lbs
Approximately 6 hours of batterylife (87W 7800mAH )
Carbon Fiber finish lid"

:eek: Any PowerBook G4 or even a mythical PowerBook G5 would not have such low power consumption to handle that kind of video card, or even have that kind of horsepower for that kind of battery life!

Apple is really going to have to jump out with a high-quality GPU in their iBook to impress anyone. I say forget iBook updates and jump straight to PowerBooks. I'd say there's an urgent need for Intel machines this MWSF.

Of course, I'm still waiting for a nice Mac Mini to replace the computer in my room. With what CES has shown, I really think we'll see some impressive Macs. We'll be jumping leaps and bounds.

5 days... Just 5 days...
 
CES: Dell shows 4.26 GHz P4 with quad Nvidia cards, 17" Yonah, 30" LCD

http://news.com.com/Dell+shows+off+speedy+game+PC/2100-1042_3-6020407.html

"Speaking to a crowd at the Consumer Electronics Show here, the Dell Computer founder showed off a new gaming PC that includes several high-end components, including a "factory overclocked" 4.26GHz Intel Pentium Extreme Edition.

Dell's Limited Edition XPS 600 Renegade, which is expected to be available this quarter, also includes four Nvidia graphics processors in an airbrushed fiery red case designed by Michael Lavallee"

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Now, ain't that purty! (where's the emoticon for "hurling"?)
 
Well, I just checked on CNet... And they had an article about the Intel Keynote, as well as the few PC makers who have already announced Dual Core Laptops.

I checked Dell's Website and there new Dual Core will be shipping on 2/10. So If Apple announces them 1/10 we won't have too long to wait.

If the PC Makers can role them out the same day Intel Announces the chips then I'm sure Apple can/will announce them on Tuesday.

It's going to be a longgggggggggg weekend.
 
I came across Intel's Yonah prices, too, PLUS this...

AidenShaw said:
The price is on Intel's website, but no other info (yet).

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1907488,00.asp
... Intel CEO Paul Otellini is expected to officially unveil the Yonah chip as part of Napa—its next-generation Centrino-brand platform for wireless notebooks—during his keynote at the 2006 International Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas on Thursday...

http://www.intel.com/intel/finance/pricelist/
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I may have come across that info at either Macworld UK or MacDailyNews, possibly xBit Labs... Who knows. At any rate, it listed this Centrino/Napa "platform" comparison:
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"New Intel processors:
The company has announced four new dual-core mobile Yonah processors - the T2300, T2400, T2500 and T2600 ($241, $294, $423 and $637 respectively) - and one single-core chip called the T1300 ($209). All prices are for sales in quantities of 1,000 units to direct Intel customers.

... Clock speeds range from 1.66Ghz for the T1300 rising to 2.16Ghz for the T2600.

Intel has two other dual-core low voltage mobile Yonah chips: the L2300 with a clock speed of 1.5Ghz ($284) and the L2400 with a clock speed of 1.66Ghz ($316). Intel also introduced a second ultralow voltage Pentium M chip, the 773, with a clock speed of 1.3Ghz priced at $273.

Centrino - WiFi on chip:
Intel unveiled a variety of Centrino mobile technology bundles featuring the new Yonah chips with different chipsets and Intel's Pro/Wireless 3945ABG network connection. A Centrino bundle with the T1300 single-core chip, and Intel's 945 PM chipset and Pro/Wireless 3945ABG costs $274, while at the top of range is another bundle of the dual-core T2600 processor, Intel's 945 GM chipset and Pro/Wireless 3945ABG for $706."
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If Intel has that one single-core (T1300 + Centrino) available before mid-Feb. I could see Apple announcing it in an iBook next TUESDAY (the keynote is on 10th, not Mon. the 9th), especially if the "standard" price is $274 in quantities of 1,000... Apple would likely buy a few hundred of those 1K-lots, bringing the price lower, and making it feasible in the iBook (maybe even a "non-DVR" mini).

And at the other end of the spectrum it lists the top-line 2.16GHz T2600 in a Centrino bundle for $706 in 1K-lots. Now, add a nice 100GB SATA hard drive, DS-DL SuperDrive, nVidia GeForce Go 7800 GTX (or ATI Radeon X1xx) PCI-Exp. x16 GPU with 128-256MB DDR3 VRAM, FrWr400/FrWr800/USB2/Blth., and between 512MB-2GB of DDR2 RAM... I want that in a barnd-spankin' new PowerBook.

Interestingly, though, it looks as though the 1.8GHz dual-core (T2400) at $294 may turn out to be the best value... The 2GHz (T2500) jumps to $423, and the 2.16GHz (T2600) another $214 above that... However, it's only another $69 above that to get it in the Centrino bundle...

Curiouser & curiouser.....
 
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