The single-core only has one core on the die (silicon), while the dual-core has 2 physical cores on the same piece of silicon. It refers to powering-down the one core if it's not needed, thus saving battery life.pawnstar said:
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Dual Core Yonah PC Notebook Specs
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Alright, I might be willing to concede the point that Apple will release a new iBook and mini, both with a dual-core... It still doesn't make sense to me why those users need dual-core, especially since even the single-core (with its 667MHz bus, etc.) is already 2-3x faster & more efficient than the G4 they now have. But if it is dual-core it's the 1.6GHz variety.jbouklas said:
Also, Apple can save money (doesz "lower costs) sound more appealing?) by using the Intel integrated graphics and 4200rpm hard drives, which will likely be faster than what either those machines have now, anyway.
I still don't see the mini getting all the fancy DVR features people are drooling for - to be efficient (cost & performance) it would likely have to move from its "form-fitting" 2.5" hard drive to a 3.5" model. Then add in a mid to hi-end PCI-Exp x16 GPU to handle the h264 chores of the HD-TV people are imagining... Again, as I've said numerous times, the mini is suddenly twice the size & cost of what made it appealing to begin with.
Finally, now that I conceded the possibility of a dual-core iBook, will you concede that a dual-core Powerbook is, also, due - WaaY LooongeeeR overdue than the iBook? And that it will see all the top features that Yonah & Napa debut...
Official Intel Price Lists
I found Intel's official price lists for all current processors and platforms (CPU/chipset/networking). It's a long list, but it shows the relevant Yonah info. The link is: http://www.intel.com/intel/finance/pricelist/
I found Intel's official price lists for all current processors and platforms (CPU/chipset/networking). It's a long list, but it shows the relevant Yonah info. The link is: http://www.intel.com/intel/finance/pricelist/
new Yonah real life notebook performance review in comparison to same spec'd Dothan laptop...
http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=2663
http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=2663
...and looks like we could very well have Robson on a product unveiled next week...
http://www.digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20060105A5020.html
http://www.digitimes.com/bits_chips/a20060105A5020.html
Peace said:
Yes!
I run mine with the screen dim, and with Airport for roughly ~5 when I attend press events, or when I am working on documents that do not require me to be on the web, or network. It is possible, you just need to be dim and isolated
.Not sure if this has already been posted, but...
Here are dell's Core Duo specs, and pricing - looks like 2 grand gets you a pretty meaty machine. If dell can't get these babies below $1999 though, I sure as hell don't think Apple will (meaning - we aint gonna see ibooks on Tuesday). I'm still betting we get PB's.
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=19&kc=ref&oc=ie1705s1&x=8&y=9
Here are dell's Core Duo specs, and pricing - looks like 2 grand gets you a pretty meaty machine. If dell can't get these babies below $1999 though, I sure as hell don't think Apple will (meaning - we aint gonna see ibooks on Tuesday). I'm still betting we get PB's.
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?cs=19&kc=ref&oc=ie1705s1&x=8&y=9
rlcramer said:
Apple could do it, they could drop down to the 1.66ghz low voltage, plus the screen size on the expected mac laptop is about 4 inches smaller, they could drop the ram to 512mb instead of dells 1gb standard, use a 60gb instead of 80gb standard hard drive and go to 4200rpm(that would piss me off though), use a Nvidia Go6200, ATI X600, or lower graphics card with 128mb or lower, instead of dells Nvidia Go7800 with 256mb, all to cut the price to ibook level. That dell is pretty damn beefy, its a desktop replacement, the ibook hardly fits into that category. The dell is as loaded as most desktops, I dont really expect the ibook to be quite like that, maybe the 17inch powerbook. So I think its possible for apple to put an iBook out for around the same price point as the current 14inch model.
Id love to see a powerbook over and iBook, and hope there released at the same time, but I really dont see that happening.
Im hoping for a 13.3 inch widescreen with 1.66 low voltage core duo, with 512mb ram, 60gb hdd, 8x superdrive, Nvidia Go6200 w/minimum 64mb ram(hopefully 2, but thats doubtful), all with iLife 06 and frontrow.
I have to admit that the price on that dell with Duo Core makes me wonder more than ever what we'll see on Tuesday. Seems to me Duo Core iBooks and Mac Minis are not going to happen. In fact, even the single Core Yonah is quite expensive. Maybe the Powerbook will be announced with Duo Core, and the iBook and Mac Mini will get older Intel chips.
Why do you think that?ieani said:
"No chance" - does that mean that you expect Dell to sell no laptops after the MacIntel PB is announced?
"No chance" - even though the Apple and the Dell will have exactly the same chips and components for the most part (certainly CPU, chipset, network, graphics, memory, disk, screen...)? The spec sheets will be identical.
"No chance" - even though Dell (and HP/Thinkpad/Gateway/Asus...) will have a range of Yonah systems, from small and light to desktop replacement to super-cheap (integrated graphics,...)?
Well specs are hardly clear at the moment for the apple side. Powerbooks may even be months away. But if they do come Dells are boring so they stand no chance. They do stand a chance sales figure wise but for me even as tasty as this system looks whatever apple brings will be superior.
What specific advantages over the other companies making almost identical Yonah laptops?ieani said:
You can't just say "superior" without some explanation of which attributes of the non-Apple are inferior.... Otherwise, you sound like a fanboi who's intoxicated on the Kool-Aid.
AidenShaw said:
Can you not see I am not going to get into any ridiculous, essentially phallic argument over this. Ive chosen my side, its my opinion, of what importance is this to you at all? Does your life depend on Dell's sales?
I just hope its not like: Dell intel core duo released Feb 15th, Apple intel core duo released May 15th or something like that, I hope we dont get the short end of the sitck cause were the new guys as far as Intel is concerned
(Phallic??? What does a penis have to do with this discussion?)ieani said:
Point taken - the shape of the logo is the most important attribute for you.
I'm OK with that, since you've acknowledged that's all there is to your preference.
de gustibus non est disputandum
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Zoli said:
i don't think it's geography that matters, rather economy; the jew lobby spreads worldwide and controls media, information, politics on many other bigger countries...
...like any among the other 4 big lobbies ruling on earth :
the church
the mafia
the franc-masons
...( i always forget the fourth )
And this comes from a year long CEE master degree i attended in Rome a few years back, where they tought us "international media control politics and economics" among other things.
Anyway, i guess this would go off-topic if we indulge...
AidenShaw said:
How about de ratio operandi non est disputandum?
Seriously, though, this little exchange once again brings up an interesting situation: the fact that 1) the mac will now be on a level plane as far as components are concerned, and 2) mac users will now have more specific demands. What I mean is that users who pay top dollar will expect top-dollar parts in a high-end machine; making comparisons to wintel machines will be much easier.
Now I prefer the design of macs over most PCs (especially desktops) and I would be willing to pay a huge premium for the OS but will Joe Average see it the same way? Apple has their work cut out for them.
-Squire
P.S. Just out of curiosity, how much of a premium (if any) would you guys pay for the design and software that comes with a mac? An identically-specced Dell vs. a Powerbook, for instance?
Consider Mr Dell's situation
The problem for Mr Dell is his systems aren't identical while the machines from Mr Job's and Apple are functionally the same as Mr Dell's offering.
The MacTel's can run Windows native, Linux native and OSX. On the other side of the coin the WinTel boxes can run Windows and Linux only.
For the price of the latest Virus blocker, spyware blocker, and malware blocker a person or company could buy a MacTel for much safer passage on the web and still install the other operating systems for those legacy programs that other operating system run that do not go on the web.
Mr Dell and his friends do not have a safe ship to sell for sailing the troubled internet waters.
I wonder if Apple thought of that when they made the comment that they will not block Windows from being loaded on their boxes? What do you think?
To recap. Apple means cool, reliable and safe on the internet. The other PC box makers mean what...... well the first three are out.
There are whole divisions at AOL, Earthlink and other ISP's that are hoping the public doesn't figure that out because their pay check is dependent on all the computer malware getting to their customers machines and doing damage. If maliousware gets out to the user's computer and bouncese off the folks that write all this blocker software can go home and start looking for a new job because the Blocker industry will be the modern equivilant of the buggy whip industry.
Jim
Squire said:
The problem for Mr Dell is his systems aren't identical while the machines from Mr Job's and Apple are functionally the same as Mr Dell's offering.
The MacTel's can run Windows native, Linux native and OSX. On the other side of the coin the WinTel boxes can run Windows and Linux only.
For the price of the latest Virus blocker, spyware blocker, and malware blocker a person or company could buy a MacTel for much safer passage on the web and still install the other operating systems for those legacy programs that other operating system run that do not go on the web.
Mr Dell and his friends do not have a safe ship to sell for sailing the troubled internet waters.
I wonder if Apple thought of that when they made the comment that they will not block Windows from being loaded on their boxes? What do you think?
To recap. Apple means cool, reliable and safe on the internet. The other PC box makers mean what...... well the first three are out.
There are whole divisions at AOL, Earthlink and other ISP's that are hoping the public doesn't figure that out because their pay check is dependent on all the computer malware getting to their customers machines and doing damage. If maliousware gets out to the user's computer and bouncese off the folks that write all this blocker software can go home and start looking for a new job because the Blocker industry will be the modern equivilant of the buggy whip industry.
Jim
Hmmm....prewwii said:
"cool" - I assume you mean design, since temperature-wise the MacIntel will be the same as the rest. This is an "eye of the beholder" thing.
I really don't like white plastic, so the consumer models are out - and the ACDs. The iMac's funny-looking, not only the hassle of an all-in-one, but it has the big white area below the screen - much rather have a SFF and a svelte LCD. The Powerbooks are too plain - the only thing breaking up the big sheets of aluminum is the glowing advert.
"reliable" - even many of the Mac fans here will agree that neither XP nor OSX crash very often. A look at a site like http://www.macfixit.com shows that some people do have trouble with Apples ("trash your preferences, and restart")
"safe" - there's some truth here, but it's often overstated. An XP system with automatic updating and Norton is pretty safe, and not much trouble. Poorly maintained PCs are the problem.
There are a couple of issues that could change in this regard. Apple has had a lot of security holes in OSX (witness all the security updates). Due to the small Apple installed base, though, criminals haven't been writing exploits. One high-profile worm or virus on Apple and this whole "safer" argument loses credibility.
A second is that Vista is on the horizon, and Vista has a fundamentally better security model. Anyone replacing a PC this summer will ask "Should I get the MacIntel and have to buy all new software, or should I upgrade to Vista and preserve my software investment". (Or maybe, does the MacIntel run Vista?)
The third issue is that criminal attacks are shifting from the O/S to the applications. As the O/S security is improving, it becomes harder to break through the O/S layer - so the criminals are exploiting holes in applications and networks. (Quicktime bugs, anyone?) Here again, Apple could have an embarrassing attack.
Aiden,
Normally I agree with what you say but here it looks as though you're either playing devil's advocate or just grasping at straws. I'll go with the previous poster's "cool, reliable, and safe" comment and I think most others would, too.
Cool: Sure, your "eye of the beholder" comment is true. However, it's not uncommon to hear the name "Apple" and "industry-leading industrial design" in the same sentence. I, of course, have no hard evidence here (and I know you like to see that presented) but isn't it fair to say Apple's products are considered cooler (as in "fashionably attractive or impressive") than the competition's? Come on...honestly.
Reliable: I also think (opinion, not fact) that most people who have experience using both recent macs and recent Windows PCs would claim the former to be more reliable. To say they're 100% problem-free of course is simply untrue. I'd say "less troublesome" is an understatement. I'd go as far as to say macs are a pleasure to use. Which do you prefer?
Safe: People are afraid to brag this one up too much and for good reason. However, you can't dismiss the mac's clear advantage in this area, at least right now.
-Squire
Normally I agree with what you say but here it looks as though you're either playing devil's advocate or just grasping at straws. I'll go with the previous poster's "cool, reliable, and safe" comment and I think most others would, too.
Cool: Sure, your "eye of the beholder" comment is true. However, it's not uncommon to hear the name "Apple" and "industry-leading industrial design" in the same sentence. I, of course, have no hard evidence here (and I know you like to see that presented) but isn't it fair to say Apple's products are considered cooler (as in "fashionably attractive or impressive") than the competition's? Come on...honestly.
Reliable: I also think (opinion, not fact) that most people who have experience using both recent macs and recent Windows PCs would claim the former to be more reliable. To say they're 100% problem-free of course is simply untrue. I'd say "less troublesome" is an understatement. I'd go as far as to say macs are a pleasure to use. Which do you prefer?
Safe: People are afraid to brag this one up too much and for good reason. However, you can't dismiss the mac's clear advantage in this area, at least right now.
-Squire