dual monitor in lion full screen apps

Discussion in 'Mac OS X Lion (10.7)' started by JimKirk, Jun 21, 2011.

  1. JimKirk macrumors 6502

    Oct 6, 2009
    Can some one explain the logic behind full screen apps rendering other monitor as a paperweight?

    I did search before posting but I still don't get the logic.
  2. CyBeRino macrumors 6502a

    Jun 18, 2011
    Yeah it's completely useless. It's made it impossible to run quicktime player (X, 7 still works) on a separate screen while browsing. Or even the reverse, having QTX on your main screen while being able to monitor something's progress on the secondary screen.

    Completely useless.


  3. bluesloth macrumors newbie

    Jan 12, 2005
    Dual monitors does pose some challenges to things like Mission Control, where it could get confusing...

    But that is why they get paid the big bucks. Apples engineers really should be able to figure out some solutions. RIght now it just seems so half-baked.
  4. blastic, Aug 7, 2011
    Last edited: Aug 7, 2011

    blastic macrumors newbie

    Jun 11, 2011
    I agree

    it is completely useless. I would absolutely love to use full screen apps, as long as it did not render my monitors to paper wights as you guys said…

    they need to leave the other monitors untouched and have seamless integration treating the fullscreen app just like any other window, but just cannot be moved or resized, but you can drag into it and over it with other programs as well.

    this current solution is such a hack job, and is very un-apple-like and the reckless release of such an unfinished feature is clearly profit driven, which is very odd coming from apple, so am really not sure what to think behind their reasoning here.

    What I am worried about is them trying to do away with needing multiple monitors and them never pursuing a fix for us, other than making it easier to switch apps on a single monitor
  5. topmounter macrumors 68020


    Jun 18, 2009
    FEMA Region VIII
    If it a rather silly implementation by Apple since full-screen mode built-in to Chrome allows you to use the alternate display normally.
  6. xraydoc macrumors 604


    Oct 9, 2005
    Personally, I don't see the point in full-screen apps if you have two displays.
    With one display, yes, it's helpful to maximize available space. But with two displays, i'm not sure I see a need.

    Maybe just me, though.
  7. zorinlynx macrumors 603


    May 31, 2007
    Florida, USA
    Likewise, Team Fortress 2 leaves the secondary monitor going. Which is great because I can leave my IM windows, IRC and email there and if someone contacts me while I'm playing I can alt-tab over and answer, even if it's just "sappin' sentries, talk to ya later" :)

    So this is 100% Apple fail; all the other companies have been able to do full screen without breaking things.
  8. David-fr macrumors 6502

    Jul 7, 2008
    Bay Area
    Things like iMovie or FCP X (which did not got full screen)/

    It would be nice to work on iMovie on main screen and have netflix on the other screen.

    Anyhow, stop QQing and DO Something:

  9. zorinlynx macrumors 603


    May 31, 2007
    Florida, USA
    Sent. I sure as hell hope someone reads it, and can get the feedback to the right place.

    In OS X Lion, full screen apps disable additional monitors. This isn't acceptable.

    Example: You can't full screen a Quicktime movie on a secondary screen while doing other work on the primary screen. This worked fine in Snow Leopard.

    This is a showstopper bug for me, and many others who multitask and have multiple screens.
  10. undies1993 macrumors 6502a

    Mar 10, 2011
    Ann Arbor, Michigan
    I have sent my feed back in as well. Hopefully we see an update soon. :cool:
  11. jammi macrumors newbie

    Oct 7, 2011
    I'd love a display spanning option for full screen apps. Especially since I have a single very high-resolution display (3840x2400) that needs to be driven in multiple slices or tiles to get decent refresh rates; currently it's driven as two 1920x2400 slices, but I'd rather drive it as four 960x2400 slices or four 1920x1200 tiles, which is however a PITA with the current lack of decent spanning support for configurations like that. A 960 px wide menu bar, for instance, would be pretty useless.
    I'd also love to see an option to re-enable vertical NeXT style menu palettes instead of the always-on-top horizontal menu bar, which is usability-wise quite awful for high-res use and occupies lots of useless space.
    I'm of course a niche user, but I'm sure there are similar configurations for multiple separate displays, so I can't be the only one who would find some improvements useful.
  12. blackomega31 macrumors member


    Aug 6, 2011
    Oh I assure you this is not a bug.
    This was the biggest reason for me upgrading from lion to SL. (and yes I consider going from 10.7 to 10.6 an upgrade.

    I spent hours talking to apple tech support going up level after level. Finally had the poor guy I was talking to talk to a senior software engineer and found out that blanking out the second monitor was intended. You heard me right. Apple decided that we did not need a second display. Who made them god?
  13. alexreich macrumors 6502a


    Jan 26, 2011
    Come on Apple.

    I've posted on the Mac OS X Feedback page 3-4 times since Lion release about this. It's ridiculous.
  14. WSR macrumors regular

    Jun 9, 2011
    Ultimately the reason for this bug is the way Lion handles Full-screen mode. It puts the Full-screen app into it's own space without a desktop behind it.

    SL's Full-screen mode is better since it puts the app into Full-screen mode in the current space leaving the desktop behind it.
  15. iThinkergoiMac macrumors 68030

    Jan 20, 2010
    While this is certainly Apple's problem for lousy implementation, you can't claim that all the other companies have done it right. I've only found one media player app that gets full screen truly right. All the others that I tried back out of FS whenever you switch to a different app.

    Yes, this is the problem right here.

    SL doesn't have an OS-wide FS mode. Any FS modes you may have found were implemented by the app, not the OS. So your success with FS mode is dependent on how the developer implemented it.
  16. baryon macrumors 68040


    Oct 3, 2009
    I think the reason dual-monitors are poorly supported is because not many people use such a setup, and as always, people in the minority are not prioritized.
  17. iThinkergoiMac macrumors 68030

    Jan 20, 2010
    This would make sense except for the fact that Apple implements it so well otherwise, and sells monitors specifically for that purpose. Apple is poorly supporting their own hardware in this case.
  18. Sgt. Raven macrumors member

    Oct 2, 2011
    SillyCon Valley
    Apple also makes multi-screen support a selling point for the Mac Pro. :confused:
  19. blackomega31 macrumors member


    Aug 6, 2011
    I had a good talk with a fellow Mac man and apple developer and what he said made some sense. Why we are so angry is because apple has named this function wrong it is not full screen. Far from it, apple calls it full screen but in reality It is single application mode. To mirror how the iPad operates. So what apple needs to do is not fix full screen but rather add the full screen option to the OS. They just assumed that everybody would want to use single application mode all the time
  20. Sgt. Raven macrumors member

    Oct 2, 2011
    SillyCon Valley
    I have a 30" @ 2560x1600 and a 24" @ 1920x1200, I don't want to run in single application mode ever, is there a way to turn it off? :confused:
  21. blackomega31 macrumors member


    Aug 6, 2011
    I wish there was. Again it fails me to figure out why apple would do this to us. I don't know where they get their data that tells them that we don't use two screens with full screen on one side and work going on on the other
    "yawn" yet the majority of the people are happy with lion so what should we do

    Here's a thought. How about all of us that hate lion travel to Cupertino dressed as Guy Fawkes and try to carry out the gunpowder treason plot?
  22. iThinkergoiMac macrumors 68030

    Jan 20, 2010
    Uh, don't click on it? Turning it off would have no effect beyond the lack of ability to use it should you want to (like watching a movie in full-screen mode). It wouldn't free up any system resources.
  23. colourfastt macrumors 6502a


    Apr 7, 2009
    I think they want everyone to use computers the way that iToys are used.
  24. haravikk macrumors 65816

    May 1, 2005
    Mission Control is a big improvement when you get used to it, but full-screen on multiple screens is a huge disappointment, and wildly unintuitive. Particularly so when Quicktime X's full-screen worked so well before!

    I can't see why they can't just have full-screen function more like apps that implemented it in the past; full-screen to one monitor, leaving the other as normal. Clicking off will leave the app full-screen but cause the menubar to appear over the top (if on your main screen) while you work outside of it.

    The only real tricky part is for full-screen apps on a secondary screen, but these could easily just have their own full-screen hover-over menu for the purpose of full-screen.

    It just seems like Apple took a feature idea, and couldn't be bothered taking the simple steps needed to make it work for multiple monitors, which is shocking, especially when it actually hinders the ability to use mobile devices; for example, when using a laptop with a projector, how do you full-screen an app on the projector only while keeping notes on the laptop's screen?
  25. huebs macrumors newbie

    Oct 31, 2011
    An Easy Fix?

    I think this problem is easily solved if Apple would just gives each monitor its own mission control. The only question is the menu bar but if they could just let it show up on both monitors (obviously hidden when in a full screen app. My ideal environment would be to have a could full screen apps on an auxilerary monitor that I can swipe between (Mail, iTunes, iCal) and have a couple desktops on my main monitor where I can do my work. This could even be optional as a preference. Seems like an easy fix to me. I've submitted it to Apple.

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