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They said it helps them make the phone water-resistant. Not that they couldn't do it without the change. But the main points they made were Lightning, wireless and internal space. You can disagree that those are good reasons, but they aren't totally illogical.

All lies. iPhone 6 has wireless, lighting albeit less storage. NAND memory doesnt require much space anyway, so they're clearly lying.
 
This is what really sucks about the current Apple. They make design decisions based on profit concerns. There would be not way in hell Jobs would not out a high end camera on the mid-size phone it was technically possible. He would charge for it, but he would not cripple the product just to "differentiate the high-end line". Galaxy S8, here I come...

Maybe you are just too young, but back in the day when Steve Jobs was alive and well there was such a thing as a 17inch Powerbook and even a 17 inch macbook pro. Both of these had more advanced features than their 15 inch counterparts. For no good reason. If you wanted the more "pro" features you had to go for the biggest model. And people complained the same way they do now. Only back then they didnt have the very convenient "jobs would not/would have" whine card.


In any case, buy the phone that does what you need it to. Apple has always been one of the most profit seeking companies out there. The reason I continue to support them is because I believe their stuff is the best out there. Even with their many shortfalls.
 
Maybe you are just too young, but back in the day when Steve Jobs was alive and well there was such a thing as a 17inch Powerbook and even a 17 inch macbook pro. Both of these had more advanced features than their 15 inch counterparts. For no good reason. If you wanted the more "pro" features you had to go for the biggest model. And people complained the same way they do now. Only back then they didnt have the very convenient "jobs would not/would have" whine card.


In any case, buy the phone that does what you need it to. Apple has always been one of the most profit seeking companies out there. The reason I continue to support them is because I believe their stuff is the best out there. Even with their many shortfalls.

Hold up, steady on with factually remembering truths. These days, it's far easier to just hate on this website.
 
"As for what improvements can be anticipated for the dual camera in 2017, Kuo indicates that optical image stabilization (OIS) is likely to be added to the telephoto camera. In the iPhone 7 Plus, only the wide-angle camera has OIS."

Well that kind of blows, the 56mm 2.8 second camera is 1-1/3rd stop slower and magnifies the image twice as much, it needs OIS more than the wide angle one does, LOL!!

Agreed! Didn't realize the "tele" camera lacked OIS. I just assumed both had it. Longer focal lengths definitely benefit from image stabilization more than shorter ones.
 
Very innovative. Couldn't make a waterproof phone with a headphone jack but Sony and Samsung have been doing it for years... now they cant add the camera to regular sized phones?

I don't call this courage, I call it incompetence.

Actually, Phil said the major reason was for space. I'm sure they could make a waterproof phone with headphone jack, but they don't want the jack there to begin with.

They want the headphone jack removal pain point to be mull by the time they release the iPhone X. They were willing to deal with the flak this year for the 7, but I'm sure they don't want the negativity when they release their mythical new device next year. It will be old news by then.
 
"As for what improvements can be anticipated for the dual camera in 2017, Kuo indicates that optical image stabilization (OIS) is likely to be added to the telephoto camera. In the iPhone 7 Plus, only the wide-angle camera has OIS."

Well that kind of blows, the 56mm 2.8 second camera is 1-1/3rd stop slower and magnifies the image twice as much, it needs OIS more than the wide angle one does, LOL!!
Not only that, but the fact that the 56mm lens is 1 1/3 stop slower means that they could have used software zoom on the wide-angle lens for the same exact result.

Basically zoom lenses need a bigger lens for equal image quality. That's why zoom lenses on SLRs are usually much bigger, but for some reason, Apple didn't make it bigger.

The 2nd camera is absolutely completely pointless in the iPhone 7 Plus.
 
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Here's an idea...let's focus on and enjoy the iPhone 7. Why is everyone always so worried about what's coming out NEXT YEAR? The iPhone 7 hasn't even come out yet and we're already criticizing the next one? This takes all the fun out of enjoying this years phone. Just leave it alone.
 
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Courage, Bender.
 
Not only that, but the fact that the 56mm lens is 1 1/3 stop slower means that they could have used software zoom on the wide-angle lens for the same exact result.

Basically zoom lenses need a bigger lens for equal image quality. That's why zoom lenses on SLRs are usually much bigger, but for some reason, Apple didn't make it bigger.

The 2nd camera is absolutely completely pointless in the iPhone 7 Plus.

I'm beginning to wonder if that's the case, too. Even though I went with a 7, I will definitely be checking out sample images for the 7+ in the reviews.
 
Here's an idea...let's focus on and enjoy the iPhone 7. Why is everyone always so worried about what's coming out NEXT YEAR? The iPhone 7 hasn't even come out yet and we're already criticizing the next one? This takes all the fun out of enjoying this years phone. Just leave it alone.

It's because people have a completely unrealistic ideal of what they expect Apple should do. Or more likely, that nothing Apple can do will ever satisfy them.

As far as I'm concerned, the unprecedented performance of the A-series chips is more 'innovative' than a slightly different shell. But you'll find that a lot of the naysayers here don't actually have anything positive to say about Apple. It makes you wonder why they even came here. Pretty sad; just to exude all of their time and energy hating on a company.
 
Here's an idea...let's focus on and enjoy the iPhone 7. Why is everyone always so worried about what's coming out NEXT YEAR? The iPhone 7 hasn't even come out yet and we're already criticizing the next one? This takes all the fun out of enjoying this years phone. Just leave it alone.
It's a rumor site. We're always looking ahead to the next thing.

That, and there's great hope for the iPhone X (make that the name!) delivering on a lot of long-sought issues.
 
Sorry. It'll be the 7S next year. If you're hoping for a radical redesign, look to 2018. 10th iPhone anniversary will have no impact on moving the pipeline forward 1 year.

People have seen these sort of rumours come and go. They were expecting it with the 4S as well.
are you serious? we are already in year 3 of this design
 
Sorry. It'll be the 7S next year. If you're hoping for a radical redesign, look to 2018. 10th iPhone anniversary will have no impact on moving the pipeline forward 1 year.

People have seen these sort of rumours come and go. They were expecting it with the 4S as well.

Maybe, but you didn't mention the fact that the iPhone 7 is a relatively minor enclosure change. That lends credence to the rumor there will be a major one next year.
 
Not only that, but the fact that the 56mm lens is 1 1/3 stop slower means that they could have used software zoom on the wide-angle lens for the same exact result.

Basically zoom lenses need a bigger lens for equal image quality. That's why zoom lenses on SLRs are usually much bigger, but for some reason, Apple didn't make it bigger.

The 2nd camera is absolutely completely pointless in the iPhone 7 Plus.

I would not go that far. I would want to get confirmation the 56mm lens does not have OIS too.

Regardless of the format, 35mm, medium format or 4x5 and above, lenses that approximate the 35mm view of 28-50 tend to be the smallest physically speaking. Software zoom on the 28mm 1.8 would have rendered an image with half the native resolution, software zoom will not be anywhere near as good as the 56mm lens by itself, comparisons of the two phones will likely bear this out.

What we don't know is how much better the sensor is on it's own at dealing with higher ISO / low light. It could very well be much improved making the 56mm 2.8 lens usable in far more situations than even the 6S 28mm 2.2 lens.

I have the 7+ on order, I expect to be able to use the 56mm 2.8 in a lot of situations, when the light gets super low, I swap out the 50' for a fast 28 and get to work.

The sky is not falling, I was just surprised to read this is all....
 
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are you serious? we are already in year 3 of this design

People said the same about the jump from the 4S to the 5. People were frothing at the mouth when the 16 month update gap on the iPhone 4 just brought out the 4S.

It's a different design. Whether you think it's too aesthetically similar to say it's a different design is a personal opinion. Regardless, it's different. And it'll be the 7S next year. Wait until 2018 if you're looking to a radical new design.
 
As far as I'm concerned, the unprecedented performance of the A-series chips is more 'innovative' than a slightly different shell.
That's a fair viewpoint, but I disagree. The a9 is a beast. The a10 is even more of a beast, but so what? It's a phone. We're so far past the power most people need that it's hard to get excited about. Hell, even the a7 is doing just fine -- my wife has a 5s and mini 2, and though they'd benefit from more RAM, the processor is still quite capable for normal tasks.

The form factor, on the other hand, is the single greatest weakness of the 6/6s/7. It's not that I want new for new's sake (I have the 2012-esque SE and love it), it's that the design is terrible. From the antenna lines to the wart-like camera bump to the bar-of-soap shape to the enormous bezels, it's just not a good design. At all.

A new design won't help if it's equally flawed, but hope springs eternal that it won't be.
 
If there's a practical physical reason it won't fit in the 4.7" size, fine, I get that.

But if it's just a matter of cost, it's really weird to me that they wouldn't offer it as either a 4.7" "pro" model of some kind (for example, if the shiny black ones came with the camera, but cost $50 more and had no bottom-tier storage option as is already the case), or as a standard feature only on the max storage tier (which could then also cost $150-200 more than the one below instead of $100 more).

I mean, seriously, if you can charge more for a 4.7" version and get some fraction of users to pay it (I would, and I wouldn't even consider the phablet size), why would you not do that and instead try to push them toward the bigger model?

(For that matter, the math seems suspect to me--the 6/6+ and 6s/6s+ models have nearly the same price difference at each storage tier as the 7/7+ models, some fraction of which did before and still does go toward a larger screen and battery, yet this claim is that the second camera included on the 7+ is a very expensive part, which would theoretically cut measurably into the margin of the 7+ model. Since the difference is now $120 instead of $100, if the camera costs $30-40 more, and that would imply that the optical stabilization previously cost $10-20 more or that the margins are now lower on the more expensive phones.)
 
"As for what improvements can be anticipated for the dual camera in 2017, Kuo indicates that optical image stabilization (OIS) is likely to be added to the telephoto camera. In the iPhone 7 Plus, only the wide-angle camera has OIS."

Well that kind of blows, the 56mm 2.8 second camera is 1-1/3rd stop slower and magnifies the image twice as much, it needs OIS more than the wide angle one does, LOL!!

Ah geez, I must have missed that. The telephoto lens doesn't have OIS?? You're right, it would definitely need it more than the wide angle one.
 
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Everyone knows they're doing away with the cameras to be replaced by swarming Apple imaging drones... DUH
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