Dual-SIM Dual Standby Feature May Be Limited to Version of 6.1-Inch iPhone Available Only in China

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Rumors have suggested Apple is planning to introduce dual-SIM dual standby functionality in some 2018 iPhone models, which would allow two SIM cards to be used at once, but it appears this functionality could perhaps be limited to China.

    According to a new report from Taiwanese site Economic Daily News [Google Translate], a Foxconn source has suggested the dual-SIM dual standby feature will be available in a version of the 6.1-inch low-cost LCD iPhone that's "a unique model for China."

    Dummy models depicting design of Apple's three rumored 2018 iPhones

    Production on the new iPhones slated for a September debut is well underway, with Foxconn employees suggesting Apple is producing four unique model numbers (801, 802, 803, and 804) for the upcoming iPhones, hinting at the extra two SIM model. The site suggests that 801 and 802 correspond to the 5.8 and 6.5-inch iPhones, while the latter two numbers are for separate 6.1-inch LCD iPhones.

    Economic Daily News says that Apple is planning to introduce a dual-SIM dual standby iPhone in China because it is common for people in China to have more than one mobile phone number. As many as three to four billion consumers use dual SIM cards, and many smartphones in China already offer support for more than one SIM card. To remain competitive in the Chinese market and lure customers from Android devices, Apple also needs to support the feature.

    Respected Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has also suggested that Apple is working on two 6.1-inch iPhone models for launch in 2018, one with dual-SIM dual standby and a second with a single SIM. While he suggested Apple might make the dual-SIM dual standby model more expensive, he did not indicate that it would be limited to China.

    Kuo believes that Apple could price the dual-SIM dual standby 6.1-inch iPhone at $650 to $750, while selling the single SIM model at a lower price, perhaps $550 to $650. Both models would also be sold alongside more expensive OLED models in 5.8 and 6.5-inch sizes, for a three-iPhone lineup.

    In past notes targeted at investors, Kuo has also said that the 6.5-inch iPhone could include dual-SIM dual standby, but today's report from Economic Daily News does not mention the possibility.

    A separate rumor from the Chinese supply chain has indicated that 2018 iPhones will feature both an embedded Apple SIM and a traditional SIM card tray, so it's possible that dual-SIM dual standby will be available in non-Chinese devices through this implementation method. The Apple SIM is not available in China, so China would require a separate device with two physical SIM slots.

    If this is the plan, though, it is not clear why Apple is not also producing a 6.5-inch iPhone with physical dual-SIM dual standby functionality for China, as plus-sized iPhones are highly popular in the country.

    Past rumors suggest the upcoming 2018 iPhone models will use Intel's XMM 7560 modem chips for faster LTE speeds than are available in the current crop of devices. There were some rumors indicating Apple might also use Qualcomm's X20 modems, but Qualcomm recently said that Apple will not be using Qualcomm chips in its 2018 iPhone lineup.

    Apple's specific plan for the SIM situation in the 2018 iPhones is a bit murky at this point based on the different rumors we've heard, but the new devices are expected to debut in just about six weeks if Apple sticks to its traditional September event, so we don't have too much longer to wait to find out just what Apple has in store for iPhones in 2018.

    Article Link: Dual-SIM Dual Standby Feature May Be Limited to Version of 6.1-Inch iPhone Available Only in China
  2. KPandian1 macrumors 6502a

    Oct 22, 2013
  3. Rudy69 macrumors 6502a


    Mar 30, 2009
    Probably because it's not a popular feature in North America
  4. Cayden macrumors 6502a


    Jul 10, 2014
    Seems reasonable to me, there seems to be a lot less demand for this in the states. I know some would use it, but the majority of people wouldn’t find much use for a double sim in that states at least
  5. Will.O.Bie macrumors 6502


    Aug 29, 2016
    This practice of using dual SIM cards are very common in most Asian countries so I'm not surprised to see Apple remain competitive to tap into that giant economy.
  6. ctg7w6 macrumors 6502

    Oct 23, 2014
  7. ajfahey macrumors member


    Jun 28, 2001
    Moorpark, CA
    I travel to Europe a lot. This is a must have feature for those that do.
  8. Will.O.Bie macrumors 6502


    Aug 29, 2016
    Where is "here?"o_O
  9. I8P'CS Suspended

    Jul 29, 2010
    Those waiting on the NEW plus and 6.1 ENJOY until Sept....

  10. Bornee35 macrumors regular


    May 6, 2013
    Possibility that it's not China
  11. 1984 macrumors 6502a


    Jan 1, 2005
    Wasn't the rumor that they would have a SIM/eSIM combo except in China where it would have dual SIM. This doesn't seem to mean we won't get dual SIM dual standby only that in China it will requite two physical SIM cards.
  12. waquzy macrumors 6502


    Sep 9, 2013
    Leicestershire, UK
    I hope they have reduced the weight of the iPhone X, I found it too heavy for my liking
  13. GuruZac macrumors 6502


    Sep 9, 2015
    Depending on price point the 6.1 may be the one to get. I’m not a person that has to have OLED. Biggest draw back would be no dual cameras. I’ve got 2 little girls so I’m taking lots of pics!
  14. JPack macrumors 68030


    Mar 27, 2017
    Makes sense, Apple would want to focus their production efforts to capture the Chinese market. The 6.1" model will be available in 6 different colors. Doubling that for the rest of the world isn't worth it.

    Last year, the iPhone X was available for next day delivery in China by late November. The Apple Store in the U.S. was facing multi-week lead times.

    Apple also sells only Qualcomm-based iPhone 8 and X in China, as they are far more knowledgeable and spec sensitive than U.S. consumers.
  15. themick4u macrumors 6502


    Oct 9, 2014
    South Florida
    Just make dual-sim available across the entire board! Those of us who travel internationally use sims in other countries to save a small fortune (so we can keep buying new apple products!)
  16. Bustycat macrumors regular


    Jan 21, 2015
    Kaohsiung, Taiwan
    One of the major reasons of people in Taiwan or mainland China not choosing an iPhone is lacking of dual-SIM. Many people in the regions have their personal number and business number so a phone that can support dual-SIM should be critical.
  17. jackietreeh0rn macrumors newbie

    Apr 13, 2018
    If this is true, wonder why India is being left out? Dual sim capability is a very popular feature there too.
  18. alphaod macrumors Core


    Feb 9, 2008
    I have many dual-SIM phones and it's very useful for those of us with two phone number or roaming abroad, but none of them have iOS. This alone would be a reason for me to update.
  19. JPack macrumors 68030


    Mar 27, 2017
    Last year, the average selling price of a smartphone in India was $157.

    Feature phones ("dumb" phones) outsell smartphones in India. The average Indian can't afford a smartphone, much less an iPhone SE. This 6.1" model is way out of their budget.
  20. ksec, Aug 3, 2018
    Last edited: Aug 4, 2018

    ksec macrumors 6502

    Dec 23, 2015
    This is a common mistranslation between Chinese 億 (yi) 100 million and billion, and went pass editor unnoticed. There are only 1.4 billion population in China, 3.3B Smartphone users, and 5 billion Mobile Phone users on earth. I doubt there are 3 to 4 billion people using Dual SIM card
    --- Post Merged, Aug 3, 2018 ---
    That could be the case as well. One reason China cant use eSim, or at least Apple implementation of eSim is due to regulation and privacy stance. Hence why the Apple Watch in china still don't have LTE version.
  21. JPack macrumors 68030


    Mar 27, 2017
    eSIM is now okay in China.

    Apple Watch with LTE has been available since this year on China Mobile, Telecom, and Unicom.

  22. BruiserB, Aug 3, 2018
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2018

    BruiserB macrumors 65816

    Aug 9, 2008
    So now will there be lines of American scalpers lining up at Chinese Apple Stores to buy these and export to the US?

    Apple should just make it an option for sale everywhere....charge $50 extra and maybe make it online order only or something so they don't need to maintain in store inventory of phones with a seldom used feature but make it available for those who specifically want it.
  23. AngerDanger macrumors 68040


    Dec 9, 2008
    That's cute and all, but let me know when they allow for decuple-SIM.
  24. nicho macrumors 68020

    Feb 15, 2008
  25. TComm macrumors newbie

    Dec 28, 2017
    I need one for my work, do I have to go to China to buy one? /s
    That is Apple's problem: "you don't know want you want, I know what you want". The mentally never changes.

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