JPack
macrumors G5
You're right, looks like China Unicom only for the time being.
Dual-SIM Dual Standby Feature May Be Limited to Version of 6.1-Inch iPhone Available Only in China
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You're right, looks like China Unicom only for the time being.
jackietreeh0rn
macrumors regular
Be that as it may, they're not going to stop selling those phones there, isn't it? Why not throw that hat in the ring then?
JPack
macrumors G5
Why would Apple knowingly divert dual-SIM inventory from a market it knows it will sell (China) to a market where consumers can't even afford iPhone SE (India)?
New phones always have long lead times. Maybe when production is smoothed out, dual-SIM will roll out worldwide. Initially, it makes sense to limit to China.
This seems like... a lot!
PickUrPoison
macrumors G3
The X Plus is wider than the X. It’s almost exactly the same size as the 8 Plus, but with a lot more screen area. The middle phone is the 6.1” LCD model.
SoN1NjA
macrumors 68020
They both do it to each other, pretty obvious too lol (but the news has to go out anyway)
What’s even more bad is when a post on Reddit finds out something new (but it’s been there for a month) and 9to5 or MR reports it as they found it
pradeepbabloo
macrumors regular
Err, weird logic! Why restrict anything to specific part of the world?
dontwalkhand
macrumors 604
Naw. Just get a cheap roaming plan. I can’t tell my clients to call me on some weird European number just because I’m in Europe.
lec0rsaire
macrumors 68000
Dual SIM is more common in places where prepaid service is widespread like India, China and lots of developing countries. Americans for the most part all use postpaid service. Europeans as well, although more frugal people will buy cheap prepaid SIMs that are available from tons of companies instead of paying for Vodafone, o2, orange, Deutsche Telekom, etc.
JPack
macrumors G5
The display on the Plus will be at least 0.25" wider.
The X display is 2.46" wide. The X Plus is expected to be 2.71".
lec0rsaire
macrumors 68000
It’s a bummer that the LCD iPhone will only have a single lens. OLED is nice but I would’ve just saved the extra cash. 5.8 is too small and 6.5 is a little too big for my front pocket. 6.1 would’ve been a nice compromise but I can’t go without the dual lens portrait mode. I guess I’ll have to downsize from my 7 Plus to the smaller iPhone X gen2 or iPhone XI.
Yes, the iPhone X has a larger screen when measured vertically but because the 7 and 8 Plus have a 5.5” screen with a narrower 16:9 AR, the latter actually has more real estate. I was disappointed when I first saw the galaxy S8. Although the screen was really beautiful, I really didn’t like the wider 18.5:9 AR and hoped that Apple wouldn’t follow suit. Not only did they follow Samsung but it’s even wider! 19.5:9! I guess this is just the way they’re making these displays. I wonder if it’s cheaper to make them this way or if the longer vertical size is necessary to better accommodate the battery and SoC. Who knows.
Yes, the iPhone X has a larger screen when measured vertically but because the 7 and 8 Plus have a 5.5” screen with a narrower 16:9 AR, the latter actually has more real estate. I was disappointed when I first saw the galaxy S8. Although the screen was really beautiful, I really didn’t like the wider 18.5:9 AR and hoped that Apple wouldn’t follow suit. Not only did they follow Samsung but it’s even wider! 19.5:9! I guess this is just the way they’re making these displays. I wonder if it’s cheaper to make them this way or if the longer vertical size is necessary to better accommodate the battery and SoC. Who knows.
JPack
macrumors G5
It has more to do with the hyper-competitiveness of the Chinese market.
For less than $10 per month, China Mobile offers 20GB / 500 minutes. Everyone uses WeChat instead of a phone number. Nobody wants to be tied down to postpaid service.
The wireless industry in the U.S. is an oligopoly and will do everything to avoid offering prepaid as it reduces customer loyalty.
lec0rsaire
macrumors 68000
Yep! Portrait mode is really must have. After using a phone with the bokeh effect, it’s impossible to go back to one without it. It’s like going back to a pre-retina display. Best feature introduced in a long time and why I went with the 7 Plus when I had always bought the normal sized phone.
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I know! Germany while not the cheapest company for mobile service offers 5GB/unlimited talk & text for about €12.99. 3GB for 9.99 or even less I think. 5GB is really all I need but I end up paying $100 a month for AT&T over here. It’s really a goddamn ripoff! I originally had unlimited service since I’ve had the iPhone since the 3G but I lost it when I switched over to a new plan to share data with my mom and also be able to use FaceTime on the street. It wasn’t allowed with the grandfathered unlimited plan for a while.
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I think it’s a little bit wider. It would be perfect if it had the 8 Plus dimensions without the bezels. 16:9 is the perfect AR. The majority of movies are 1.85:1 which don’t have to be letterboxes and 2.39:1 doesn’t look too small on them.
Well that’s exactly why dual SIM is desirable to many. They can keep their “home” number active and also have a local number for clients in their destination country to call. Both numbers work simultaneously.
Well...that's the whole point of having a dual-SIM. You can have both your home number and a traveling SIM, rather than having to switch out or carry 2 phones. Dual SIM is not for everyone but that doesn't mean it's not a feature others want. Your needs are not everyone else's needs and vice-versa.
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Same. I'd love this. Would pay extra for it.
dantroline
macrumors 6502
Good point. If you don't buy an iPhone on a contract it's likely you'll think twice at the price tag and get a cheaper phone, like an Android with dual sim, fingerprint reader, headphone jack, SDRAM slot, longer battery life, and $500 or so to spare for a better phone plan. Plus you won't be in debt (since those contracts are really a personal loan).
Let the dual-sim (physical) exist on all smartphones; people who need it will use it, others might see its usefulness and adopt it or not need it and ignore it. Plus, it might be simpler to manufacture all the phones to one spec and let the customer decide.
It is like the audio-jack; blue-tooth users can ignore it, the others can use it as a choice. And, no, there is no gain in water-proofing without the jack.
A lower cost iPhone with dual SIM slots is also much needed in India. A recent story stated Apple's struggles with selling the iPhone in India are due primarily to the lack of a dual SIM slot and it's high cost.
Rumors have suggested Apple is planning to introduce dual-SIM dual standby functionality in some 2018 iPhone models, which would allow two SIM cards to be used at once, but it appears this functionality could perhaps be limited to China.
According to a new report from Taiwanese site Economic Daily News [Google Translate], a Foxconn source has suggested the dual-SIM dual standby feature will available in a version of the 6.1-inch low-cost LCD iPhone that's "a unique model for China."
Dummy models depicting design of Apple's three rumored 2018 iPhones
Production on the new iPhones slated for a September debut is well underway, with Foxconn employees suggesting Apple is producing four unique model numbers (801, 802, 803, and 804) for the upcoming iPhones, hinting at the extra two SIM model. The site suggests that 801 and 802 correspond to the 5.8 and 6.5-inch iPhones, while the latter two numbers are for separate 6.1-inch LCD iPhones.
Economic Daily News says that Apple is planning to introduce a dual-SIM dual standby iPhone in China because it is common for people in China to have more than one mobile phone number. As many as three to four billion consumers use dual SIM cards, and many smartphones in China already offer support for more than one SIM card. To remain competitive in the Chinese market and lure customers from Android devices, Apple also needs to support the feature.
Respected Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has also suggested that Apple is working on two 6.1-inch iPhone models for launch in 2018, one with dual-SIM dual standby and a second with a single SIM. While he suggested Apple might make the dual-SIM dual standby model more expensive, he did not indicate that it would be limited to China.
Kuo believes that Apple could price the dual-SIM dual standby 6.1-inch iPhone at $650 to $750, while selling the single SIM model at a lower price, perhaps $550 to $650. Both models would also be sold alongside more expensive OLED models in 5.8 and 6.5-inch sizes, for a three-iPhone lineup.
In past notes targeted at investors, Kuo has also said that the 6.5-inch iPhone could include dual-SIM dual standby, but today's report from Economic Daily News does not mention the possibility.
A separate rumor from the Chinese supply chain has indicated that 2018 iPhones will feature both an embedded Apple SIM and a traditional SIM card tray, so it's possible that dual-SIM dual standby will be available in non-Chinese devices through this implementation method. The Apple SIM is not available in China, so China would require a separate device with two physical SIM slots.
If this is the plan, though, it is not clear why Apple is not also producing a 6.5-inch iPhone with physical dual-SIM dual standby functionality for China, as plus-sized iPhones are highly popular in the country.
Past rumors suggest the upcoming 2018 iPhone models will use Intel's XMM 7560 modem chips for faster LTE speeds than are available in the current crop of devices. There were some rumors indicating Apple might also use Qualcomm's X20 modems, but Qualcomm recently said that Apple will not be using Qualcomm chips in its 2018 iPhone lineup.
Apple's specific plan for the SIM situation in the 2018 iPhones is a bit murky at this point based on the different rumors we've heard, but the new devices are expected to debut in just about six weeks if Apple sticks to its traditional September event, so we don't have too much longer to wait to find out just what Apple has in store for iPhones in 2018.
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Not if the phone is unlocked. Mine are always unlocked under the Apple Upgrade program. Or like Verizon phones - unlocked for international travel. Or sure, same carrier but one for work, one for personal. Or don't use the 2nd SIM slot. Soooooo many different reasons and needs for different people.
