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Counterfit said:
I wonder what percentage of serial killers either have some form of animal cruelty on their record, or at least have admitted to killing animals for non-food purposes.

I don't have time to look up the statistics, but when I googled for "animal cruelty serial killer", I got a lot of relevant results.


3badjacksfan said:
Where do you get that "the hillbillies are killing deer to eat"? When I was a hillbilly, and my family killed deer to eat, we took it home, strung it in a tree, and began a nice, home-style buchery. We didn't run it down, cut off a little bit, and leave the rest by the road.

(BTW, I don't eat red meat anymore, & never killed anything. I think the guns weighed more than me, back then.)

I did not say "hillbillies killing deer" ==> "they do it to eat"
I said "hillbillies killing deer" AND "they do it to eat" ==> "they are not sadistic"
 
DebJ said:
The jerk who did this is a serious threat to society. A poultry farmer isn't.

So putting chickens in a cage just big enough for them to fit in for their miserable egg laying days, then putting them in a boiling bath two times to kill the bacteria on their skin (alive), and then chopping their heads off on a production line sounds like less a threat to society than someone running over ducks with his car? (Sorry I know the sentence is way too long)

If the guy running over ducks could spend millions on marketing most would think the opposite about his actions.

My thought is that this is some teenager having fun or trying to impress his passengers. After a few years he'll reflect upon his actions as being wrong.

I never killed animals for fun, but I know friends who did. They didn't turn out to be homicidal maniacs. Maybe they still will, maybe I have very bad friends. ..

If something like this happened here, people would shrug and think "damn kids...". In the US there is a mass hysteria and a fund of 8,500$ to catch the perpetrator. Hell if some people had their way, they would start a lynch mob.

Edit: changed "torturing" to "killing for fun" which is more true.
 
iGary said:
I'm the guy sitting next to you. :eek:
Aw, iGary, come on over to the dark, bitter, and cynical side. Jump on in, the water's nice and warm (or freezing cold). I can't be the only one on MR with no hope for society...

I sometimes wonder: Here in the U.S., there are all kinds of right-wing nutjobs claiming that the sky is falling for reasons that seem utterly benign - yet, they're tapping in to something, a deeper fear that people have about the direction of things. I read something like what happened to these ducks and say, "well, that makes sense, humans in general are nothing but a self-serving sadistic lot in the first place." I remain horrified by the action, yet accept that things like this happen because of the nature of society.

But, someone who has honestly been born and raised to believe deep in their soul that people are essentially good would, in addition to being shocked as I was upon reading this, also have their foundation rattled a little. Like, not everyone out there is looking out for the best interests of peace, love and the Golden Rule. After a while, their exact memory of what happened would fade, but the fear remains that this could happen to them or their pets, and is easily manipulated by other social and political forces for gain. "I'm vaguely afraid, and someone is telling me it's those damn gays getting married, or immigrants, or whatever is the reason - they're right!!!"

For the optimist, I would venture a guess that reading something like this is much more of a system shock than the pessimist. I'd also posit that deep pessimists like myself are largely outnumbered in society by the optimists - heck, I even have my days where I can see iGary's fence back on the horizon of optimism from which I departed long ago. Because people want to believe in people, and people want to believe that they personally are fundamentally good, and therefore so are other folks.

I suppose this is a long-winded way of saying, what's the chicken and egg here? Is the perpetrator of this crime someone who fits part of the "holy trinity" of a sociopath (as someone mentioned above), or were the actions of this person symptomatic of a greater societal ill: someone who honestly believes that because of the self-serving and sadistic nature of American society (and how it expresses itself domestically and globally) that doing this to a bunch of ducks was A-OK?

I dunno. I'm glad to see a reward set up, though, it's a shame that domestic violence, gaybashing, corrupt government deals, and losses of civil liberties don't also motivate folks the same way. We Americans are fickle about such things - we'd rather see someone made an example of than cure the illness, be it the duck-murderer, Terry Shivo (sp?), Martha Stewart, or Iraq.
 
Omen88 said:
They didn't turn out to be homicidal maniacs. Maybe they still will, maybe I have very bad friends. ..
I think the percentage of serial killers/sociopaths who tortured and/or killed animals is higher than the percentage of people of tortured and/or killed animals being serial killers/socipaths.
 
Pulling a posse of random people together for a stakeout in response to two ducks being run over with no apparent evidence that it was intentional seems a bit odd to me, but we like odd here.
 
Pulling a posse of random people together for a stakeout in response to two ducks being run over with no apparent evidence that it was intentional seems a bit odd to me, but we like odd here.

:p That and assuming the guy would return and try to run over some more duckies. But hey, I'm all for fighting evil.
 
I'm with the majority of you. I don't understand why some people can treat animals like ducks so poorly.

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reward of 1000 dollars. kinda alot for 10 ducks lol

Would have been funnier if this was happening behind a Chinese restaurant. Why offer $1000 when 10 plates of peking duck is so much cheaper?
wow who revived this thread....seriously i thought this was real/current news

So did I, until I read one of my own posts and had a chuckle. Then I thought, "Wait a second, I better check the date on that post. The last time I said anything funny was 2 years ago." And sure enough.....
 
This thread no longer qualifies as a current event by any stretch of the imagination; its bill of goods has definitely flown south for the winter. ;)

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