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Yeah, basically they are expecting Apple to say: “Here, use my infrastructure to advertise and distribute your product, and while you make money, I’ll just sit here making nothing.”.
It's not that simple, I think? I mean Apple is the one that prevents other App Stores from exisiting which I fairly agree with, but then one could argue that there should be a limit to what they can ask of the developer for hosting, once this creates a sort of monopoly. Microsoft had to provide a browser choice screen for Windows. If all Apple has to do is allow other payment providers, they're still fairly lucky. And the user too, because I think a single app store with a rigid review process is still a good thing.

On the other hand, a percentage is a great way to 'tax' small and large players the same.

What will Apple change once his becomes a worldwide thing? I wonder!
 
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Android is looking more and more attractive for both the developers and the users.
That's point though: there aren't any barriers to prevent Dutch dating app users from going to the internet version of a service or using an Android phone. The ACM is misrepresenting the market.
 
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It would be an interesting experiment to see Apple just pull the App Store there and see what the results would be.
I think it would set a bad precedent for Apple, and they'd look even more dickish than they already do about this. I really think they're risking more than it's worth being so strident about the App Store, which could end up with a worse experience on the iPhone for us all.

To Apple's credit, they did change things up for smaller developers (but dragging their heels and mostly so they could have something to point to, but I suppose at least they did it), so now it's Apple mostly fighting things out with big companies. That said, Apple should remember that developers and apps bring value to the Apple ecosystem, it's a symbiotic relationship. They could probably get a lot of government regulators off their backs (at very little cost to their bottom line) if they'd make some concessions without governments having to twist their arm about it. Would be curious to know if internally this is an issue of bean-counting (gotta wring out every drop) or principle (we deserve every drop) on Apple's part. Given their behavior thus far, I'm guessing the latter.
 
At this point, you could say that Apple got to being worth 2 trillion dollars through theft.

That 30% cut is disgusting.

Dev here. That 30% cut is actually great. It means for a flat rate, I don't have to worry about hosting, payment processing, getting my app in front of millions of eyeballs. I don't have to worry about the exchange rate in Tokyo and what that means. I get to spend far less time administrating my business and more time writing code, which is what I want to do. It's probably also cheaper than what I would pay if I did do everything piecemeal and manually, not even counting my time and what that is worth.

Everyone advocating for alternate payment processors is really only supporting billion dollar companies. The only devs who would ever use something like that are those who have a full on dedicated dept to run it (aka Epic, Spotify, Microsoft, Google) and are trying to squeeze every last dollar out to bump the shareprice. You aren't defending small devs or one person shops who don't want to spend all day administrating a business to save $5. I'll gladly pay Apple and Google to do that for me.
 
maximum 50 million euros? LOL. That's coffee change for Apple.
That was my thought, too. “YEAH THIS 5 million will show apple, that’ll break them down!” Not hardly. Which, incidentally shows the real reason behind these laws. Country says “Apple should allow Android apps to run”. Apple says, “We can’t do that.” Country says, “Fine, then we’ll fine you because having money is always good.”

The politicians get money, the users and developers end up with a more painful system to work within.
 
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If the Dutch set those kinds of rules about their dating apps...

The Dutch already notoriously have rules about dating...like are you going Dutch?

No thanks. I'm just gonna date Apple folks who make sure I pay on dates. I'm going Apple

What if you want to share a Dutch Apple Pie for dessert? Who pays whom then? :)
 
At this point, you could say that Apple got to being worth 2 trillion dollars through theft.

That 30% cut is disgusting.
You could also say they got there by spending a large sum of money to design and build the hardware, design and integrate the operating system with that hardware, negotiate to find a carrier that accepted their requirements for a network operator, build out the manufacturing and delivery infrastructure and iteratively improve the product over time in such a way that more and more users would buy it.

One of these is a little more accurate of course, but you can absolutely say both ;)
 
Or time for people to reevaluate their curious allegiances to brands and the big corporations behind them.

Spot on. People love to whine about this-n-that.

But they can never seem to step up and vote with their wallet purchasing computers/phones/etc from other companies. Have you?
 
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Apple would do fine without these silly dating apps.

Most people use FaceBook, Whatsapp, Youtube, those type of apps. And they don’t even pay Apple.
I'm talking about developers in general, not dating app devs in particular. And I think you underestimate the scale of the dating app industry.
 
Like how consumers were punished when anti-competitive behavior in railroads, airlines, phone companies, stock exchanges, etc.. were intervened by government action, right?

Comparing Apple to Pears…..

Developers have a choice to take their business and app elsewhere… But no, they want to hitch on to iOS store and then complain about paying to use someone else’s infrastructure….
 
It is but Apple doesn’t like to pay fines ? they’re going to find a way to get away with it.
They’ve already paid similar governmental fines in other countries (like $2 million to Brazil). I’d be willing to bet that the reason why the fine only amounts to $50 million is they wanted to ensure it was low enough that Apple would just pay and not fight it. :)
 
Spot on. People love to whine about this-n-that.

But they can never seem to step up and vote with their wallet purchasing computers/phones/etc from other companies. Have you?
One can't avoid buying a phone or computer that isn't assembled or sourced by a large corporation. However, one can avoid entangling their own identity with those corporations and treating any perceived slight on them as a slight against themselves.
 
I'd also like to take a moment to laugh at anyone who downvoted my comment last week saying that Apple's approach here was clearly not going to work with competition regulators in the Netherlands (https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-in-app-payment-options.2331585/post-30783001)
Didn’t it work though? I mean, $50 million is a small price to pay to be left alone. It’d be different if the Dutch said, “This is NOT suitable and we will accept anything short of full compliance!” Instead it’s more like, “Well, we don’t like it, but give us money and you can keep it JUST as you defined it.”
 
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