And when the U.S. says that Apple must provide alternate payment options for app developers (that's coming one day), will Apple pull out of the U.S.?
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Dutch Regulators to Meet With Dating App Providers to Assess Apple's Plan for Alternate In-App Payment Options
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“Dating apps?” So that’s what they call it now? Right!
Seems we have this all figured out, why they don't want the App Store involved for the dissemination and tracking of Netherland Dating apps financial data. Don't want a third party figuring out who's involved and whose doing what. Apple must be thinking why should we help prop up this industry using their store services for free.
Apple has been okay with that since 2008. And it seems there has been no legal challenge to the contrary.
Nobody is using Apple services here. Dating service is provided by other companies which develop the apps and host the service. It sounds like you want Internet providers to take fees for for everything internet too because that's what Apple is doing here.
Not quite. I already signed a contract with my ISP just like devs sign with apple. I pay my isp a fixed $$$ per month. They don’t offer fees based on usage but apple does.
Well prostitution is legal in the Netherlands so maybe it is that industry behind the push?
We are discussing the exception of eliminating App Store payments for allowing Netherland dating apps on the App Store in the country to use third-party payment methods. Certainly sounds more like either they're concerned towards privacy, or eliminating any reduction of that monetary gains for that local industry.
So Apple is not aware of purchases made by the consumer but at the same time demands a percentage of the income from the developer ? How Will Apple determine this amount? The developer has to disclose the number of sells it makes to Apple?
No commission should result in no exposure in the store. Only way to find and download the app is a deep link from the web. Apple is fighting a losing battle but this dating app thing is a joke. How many apps are there even for dating in the dutch store?
Somehow they will always get paid. Regulators doesn’t like this but they usually don’t understand everything either.
Somehow they will always get paid. Regulators doesn’t like this but they usually don’t understand everything either.
I'd only pay for a dating app if Tim Cook is one of the people looking for someone ?
I dunno. Meeting someone in a back alley for a date sounds really shady, whether Apple is compensated or otherwise
it’s weird how Apple had to appeal their ruling. The Judge told them to swipe left if they didn’t like it.
I’ve always said this, Apple is not entitled to any form of a cut from apps like this. Apple is benefitting from having a large selection of apps in the store, so people will buy an iPhone.
Apple has no part in this transaction. Buying extra levels or characters in a game? And the game content is hosted and stored on Apple servers? Sure, Apple deserves a cut. Video streaming platform where the video is hosted somewhere else? No cut. Dating app where you’re just getting matched with other users in a database, with all of the processing and hosting done on the developers server? Apple shouldn’t get a cut.
It really is that simple. Developers pay an annual developer fee which gives them access to all of Apples tools and customers. Apple gets to keep customers by having a large robust selection of apps.
I’m not saying Apple’s in-app payments should go away, but it should be a choice. If Apple lowered their cut, they would be competitive with other payment processors and this wouldn’t be an issue.
If I were a small developer making an app on my own, I’m using Apples built in tools and payment methods, no question about it. But if I’m a company the size of Amazon or Netflix and I have my own payment mechanism, that’s what I’m directing my customers to use.
When Apple does start complying with linking to outside payment methods, why would they able to take a cut? They're not processing anything so that argument is moot. I suppose it would be for hosting the app then on their servers?
Apple does make the platform the app is hosted on so perhaps it should get something
Apple does make the platform the app is hosted on so perhaps it should get something
Apple is providing access to a large user base for apps. they have a right to charge for taht.
Sure, Apple simply can require them to report sales and pay based on that; with the right to audit the books.
And developers benefit from low cost access to a large user base.
Apple could raise the fee or start charging for services now included, such as hosting and downloading. Advertising apps as well.
Developers get access to a leg user base for virtually no upfront costs beyond the developer fee.
And Apple can find other ways to charge them, such as per download or based on user base.
Developers pay an annual fee and some also pay percentage fees on sales. Get rid of the percentage fees on sales and the annual fee will have to go up to compensate.
You can’t just slice a huge chunk out of Apple’s revenue and expect them to not make up for it elsewhere!
It's so strange that it's specifically for dating apps. Sounds like someone has their hands lining the pocket of the politicians. Should make it this way for all apps or none.
"Meeting in the back alley" is exactly how everyone buys and downloads Mac apps that aren't on the App Store and have done so before the App Store's invention...
Honestly, this would be a great workaround.
You don't want to pay a commission? Fine, we'll host your app, but you'll only be accessible via a link, not really a part of the store
This circles about the aspect of the monopoly of installs on iOS devices
But at the same time, can you imagine the uproar if people can't easily find their Ubers, Netflixs, Amazons, etc.?
Just drop dating apps in the Netherlands. In my opinion dating apps are a Social Bad (as opposed to a Social Good). Nobody who wanted to had a problem hooking up prior to dating apps, the process just introduced an additional/new middle man. It did not add market efficiency since the old middle man (the bar) was not removed.
Just drop The Netherlands from the App Store. Developers make use of the tools and platform that Apple created and they should pay for it. The Netherlands will not stop with dating apps.
There should only be an exception for "players" such as Netflix as there is no way Apple should receive 30% of all the movies and TV shows Netflix produces.
There should only be an exception for "players" such as Netflix as there is no way Apple should receive 30% of all the movies and TV shows Netflix produces.
Dating apps, Dutch regulators, Amsterdam, alternate payments..........hmmm, wonder what regulators and Apple have in mind!!!