I am also insisting. I need Apple to protect me from developers and I just want one place to handle all the stuff.
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Dutch Regulators to Meet With Dating App Providers to Assess Apple's Plan for Alternate In-App Payment Options
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I am also insisting. I need Apple to protect me from developers and I just want one place to handle all the stuff.
A year from now they will be walking this back because of hacks and stolen data and monies and someone will ask who authorized this?
Actually in the US they are winning this. In the Netherlands apple will still collect commissions. Apple would probably pull out of a market that stripped them of their commissions.
Good point, however I think it’s more that those that want to use those services want the option of a payment process that allows anonymity. This is less “against Apple” and more “for the market to thrive”. I figured there was an angle here I was missing. I guess I forgot for a moment where Amsterdam was
And yet EU is an option? Considering EU represent larger revenue shares than China.
Note: I didn't said any of these. Many Macrumors Apple Supporter did.
I’m assuming I can freely use Indonesian currency at every Dutch retail shop?
The Authority for Consumers and Markets (ACM) in the Netherlands plans to assess Apple's announced plans for allowing dating apps on the App Store in the country to use third-party payment methods, ensuring those plans "meet the requirements" of a previous ruling.
Over the weekend, Apple announced that it would exclusively allow dating apps on the App Store in the Netherlands to use third-party payment methods for in-app purchases. The rule change is the first of its kind for Apple, which previously required all developers worldwide to use its own system for all in-app purchases.
Apple's concessions came following a December ruling from the ACM that, by restricting dating apps from using third-party payment methods, Apple is engaging in an "abuse of market power." The ACM threatened to fine Apple up to a maximum of 50 million euros per week if it did not change its policies.
Now that Apple has announced changes, the ACM wants to assess whether those changes meet the requirements of its previous ruling, according to a press release. As part of its probe into the changes, the ACM will meet with dating app providers, such as The Match Group, which owns Tinder, to ensure Apple's changes sufficiently address concerns.
While Apple will allow dating apps in the Netherlands to use third-party payment methods, there are some caveats to the concessions. Importantly, Apple will continue to receive a commission even for purchases made outside the App Store in-app purchasing system, although Apple has yet to reveal what that commission rate will be.
Developers will also be required to maintain separate app binaries for distribution in the Netherlands if they choose to offer alternate in-app purchasing options.
From a user experience perspective, Apple is warning that by using third-party payment methods, the experience of requesting a refund, managing subscriptions, viewing purchase history, and more will be made significantly more complicated.Apple said it plans to appeal the ACM's ruling and has expressed concern that the order "could compromise the user experience, and create new threats to user privacy and data security."
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So the country is run by PIMPS then. I"m kidding of course, but seriously I may not be kidding.
Banking apps have always been free. You could also always have signed up for Netflix or Spotify outside of Apple's AppStore. It only was an issue for Netflix or Spotify when Apple charged them 30% when a user within the AppStore signed up for their services. They complained that they couldn't inform the user of another way to get their money. Even though they could do so via other means like TV, Print, social media, etc. Just not "in" the Appstore. Like any other store. And that they needed to charge the same price they advertise outside the store. Like if I go to my Xbox and look for a new game and it says $59.99. I would have to see that same price at say a Best Buy. I mean, it's not like it stopped Netflix from charging more money overtime anyways.
They're selling love ? Nobody should add a commission on that!
Why not? Apple isn't entitled to get a commission on apps offered through the App Store? This seems to be a general feature of any retail business.
How much commission does Apple get from Uber for all the money they make? Why doesn't Apple insist Uber pay them 30% of their sales? Why does Uber get a free pass and some dating app has to pay?
well then does apple really want to deal things with taking an cut of all?
City's will not be ok with apple taking 30% of an airport fee and may say that apple can add there 30% on top and if it does not fit into apples fixed pricing points of X.99?
Tolls are an other thing the driver will not like having to pay 30% of each one for apple users vs 0% for android users and the tollway will need to be able to set prices to any amount / say to no an 30% fee.
TIPS are have lot's of labor laws tied to them and apple taking an 30% cut is BIG NO NO.
Places like Walmart will make an BIG deal and say to keep our prices low and fair we can't let you buy stuff with the wallmart APP on IOS.
the fact you think Apple 'host' these apps shows you have no idea what you're talking about and your opinion is thus, invalid
Actually yes, you can. This is a huge chunk of revenue that Apple literally does no work for. Why do they deserve a piece of revenue from a dating app but not from you purchasing something from the Amazon app? Or ordering an Uber? They have an arbitrary rule that says if you’re paying for something you use outside of the app, you don’t have to use an in-app purchase, you can use a different payment method.
The incentive is the same as for Macs. With no apps, there are no hardware sales. Devs can, and do, en masse, sideload apps for macOS. What makes iOS some super special thing that requires Apple to charge $B's in commissions? Nothing, it's just greed. The world is sick of it, and laws like this are here to start the wedge to shutting it down.
Generally, you must provide an option to pay for services you consume in-app via in-app purchases.
Amazon and Walmart and Target and Starbucks apps do not have app-consumable services, so they just use Apple Pay and in fact are not allowed to use in-app payments to buy physical goods (if they wanted to give apple 30% cut for some reason).
Likewise you cannot consume stocks or crypto through an app. Some would argue cryptocurrency is more akin to gambling though.
Amazon Video allows you to subscribe via in-app purchase. If you sign up that way, things like movie rentals are in-app purchases.
Netflix is a convoluted arc but used to be required to have in-app subscription. There has been speculation that Netflix was the one who negotiated the 15%-after-first-year subscription rate reduction. Since they don't have any rental/purchase options they got classified as a "reader app" and eventually removed the in-app subscription option.
In Uber you are scheduling ride in someone’s car. That is not something used in the app.
In these dating apps you are not buying a “date” that would take place somewhere outside of the app. You are signing up for a recurring sunbription to premium services (whatever that means).
I imagine that if Uber came up with some monthly subscription that included five free rides a month then they would have to pay Apple for that if they signed up in app.
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It would be nice if Apple just allowed sideloading and other stores. Then it can do whatever it likes with it's app store. Just like what happens on Macs with macOS.
Except all the things in the developer program such as providing SDKS, the development, maintenance and hosting for the App Store, the review process, the actual payment system, customer support including refunds, tax documents for international sales, etc.
They also use a portion of the first payment to do identity proofing of your individual/business developer account, which is one of the ways they prevent someone kicked off the store from uploading their app under a different name the next day.
Back in the day, Apple's developer program used to be a minimum of $499 a year - and that was _before_ you got anything like the ability to sell on the App Store out of joining.