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"Meeting in the back alley" is exactly how everyone buys and downloads Mac apps that aren't on the App Store and have done so before the App Store's invention...

And I find it has its share of drawbacks compared to the App Store. Just because something has always been done that way doesn’t mean it’s all that great, just that it’s possible.
 
And I find it has its share of drawbacks compared to the App Store. Just because something has always been done that way doesn’t mean it’s all that great, just that it’s possible.
And customers have a chance to decide
And considering the state of the Mac App Store, it doesn't seem to provide so many benefits
 
If this fight had occurred five years ago, Apple would have been much more accommodating !

But since then, iPhone Unit Sales have completely stalled-out, & the Game part of the App Store has been booming !

And IMO, that's the gist of the BIG picture.
 
I would not want to do business in these environments. A government saying who can bill who for a dating app seems incredibly stupid…
That's one way to look at it. Another way is that Apple allowing it to get to the point where a government has to do this is incredibly stupid.
 
Spot on! So many think that Apple should be some kind of charity and give away services for free, having no idea what their costs are and not realizing that without a decent profit margin there will be no incentive to offer such services.

The only one insisting Apple have an App Store is Apple.

They can start charging developers of "free apps" for something tangible that Apple is involved in, such as the bandwidth and resources used in downloading the app. Or they can stop allowing free apps.

Or they can allow side loading.

All of these are things Apple can do without demanding 30% of services Apple doesn't actually have a hand in providing, other than a mob-protection of their app.
 
Developers pay an annual fee and some also pay percentage fees on sales. Get rid of the percentage fees on sales and the annual fee will have to go up to compensate.

You can’t just slice a huge chunk out of Apple’s revenue and expect them to not make up for it elsewhere!
The annual fee is for access to the development resources that Apple makes available, which are substantial. It isn't just a nominal fee.
 
The only one insisting Apple have an App Store is Apple.

They can start charging developers of "free apps" for something tangible that Apple is involved in, such as the bandwidth and resources used in downloading the app. Or they can stop allowing free apps.

Or they can allow side loading.

All of these are things Apple can do without demanding 30% of services Apple doesn't actually have a hand in providing, other than a mob-protection of their app.
FYI: there is not a single argument on the planet against Apple taking a cut of App Store sales that holds up under any scrutiny.
 
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So what’s the solution? Allow app developers to pay nothing to Apple? Apple makes developers pay developer fees based on app downloads? What’s the incentive for Apple to have an App Store if there is no commission?

Regulators/governments are going to lose if they get to force Apple to work for free.
Incentive being, if there is no App Store, there won’t be an iPhone, while competitors continue to subsidize app developers.
 
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Apple has been okay with that since 2008. And it seems there has been no legal challenge to the contrary.
Yes, I know that. The point I'm trying to make is that there are people here who either aren't aware of that or aren't acknowledging it because they keep saying that Apple needs their cut because Apple is not a charity and cannot host apps for free when they clearly have been doing so since 2008.
 
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The only one insisting Apple have an App Store is Apple.

They can start charging developers of "free apps" for something tangible that Apple is involved in, such as the bandwidth and resources used in downloading the app. Or they can stop allowing free apps.

Or they can allow side loading.

All of these are things Apple can do without demanding 30% of services Apple doesn't actually have a hand in providing, other than a mob-protection of their app.
Or apple doesn’t have to do any of the above. It’s their own store and Apple is entitled to charge for their services even though they allow free apps. Even in this case Apple is allowed to charge for their services. Or the dating apps can use a website, problem resolved.
 
Not US. I have no idea why Macrumors supporters have "never" suggested to pull out of the US market.

USA is the largest economy in the world.

If California was a country, it would be the 5th largest economy in the world as a country, just to put things in perspective.

Likewise, pulling out of China is also not an option.
 
Or apple doesn’t have to do any of the above. It’s their own store and Apple is entitled to charge for their services even though they allow free apps. Even in this case Apple is allowed to charge for their services. Or the dating apps can use a website, problem resolved.
and yet governments around the world seem to disagree, Apple is not winning this fight.
 
Out of curiosity, what is the current "experience of requesting a refund" through Apple? I thought Apple did not allow refunds for in-app purchases of digital content, no? Hence the enhanced parental controls on purchases?
I had to get a refund on a sub. In app I was advertised a discounted price, but the charge came through at full price. The refund process was frictionless.
 
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The only one insisting Apple have an App Store is Apple.

They can start charging developers of "free apps" for something tangible that Apple is involved in, such as the bandwidth and resources used in downloading the app. Or they can stop allowing free apps.

Or they can allow side loading.

All of these are things Apple can do without demanding 30% of services Apple doesn't actually have a hand in providing, other than a mob-protection of their app.

"The only one insisting Apple have an App Store is Apple."

I thought that would have been obvious to everyone. Apple provides a service people want. And charges a fee. However, I see loads of benefits as a consumer, so therefore I support Apple on this.

30% is very reasonable.
 
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I had to get a refund on a sub. In app I was advertised a discounted price, but the charge came through at full price. The refund process was frictionless.

I did the same thing, on a sub upgrade.

Ends up Apple charges the full amount of the new subscription, and then refunds the remaining of the old one.... which results in a several day delay of your credit card having the correct balance. I find that misleading from Apple, they should show on screen that its going to do that in two transactions... or just charge the subscription delta which would be more user friendly. Letting Apple run all this crap without any checks and bounds and competition results in this stupidness and a lack of a need to improve the App Store.
 
I did the same thing, on a sub upgrade.

Ends up Apple charges the full amount of the new subscription, and then refunds the remaining of the old one.... which results in a several day delay of your credit card having the correct balance. I find that misleading from Apple, they should show on screen that its going to do that in two transactions... or just charge the subscription delta which would be more user friendly. Letting Apple run all this crap without any checks and bounds and competition results in this stupidness and a lack of a need to improve the App Store.
Oh yep. Was yours an Apple specific sub? Mine was a third party. At the time I wasn’t subscribed to the service at all, so there was no refund due.
 
People have been warning about companies that sell hardware and software forever. There were reasons then, and it seems, reasons today.

People have been warning about dating through dating apps too, but that's just a non sequitur
 
Oh yep. Was yours an Apple specific sub? Mine was a third party. At the time I wasn’t subscribed to the service at all, so there was no refund due.

3rd party app....

The app advertised it as "Upgrade for $75 more".... then on the payment screen the price was "$150", a full year of subscription.

I subscribed thinking it was mistake, but then saw the higher price, so i reached out to apple and had them cancel it.

Then i did my research, and that is "normal" and that Apple will refund the difference like a week later. No where does the app or Apple's payment system show that to you up front. I ended up upgrading again, but its a STUPID system.... and if they had competitive pressures they would solve stupid issues like this.

Then again, with how buggy their software as a whole has been lately, they just don't seem to have enough pressure to fix anything other than add emojis people don't need.
 
Connect a rider to a driver - Apple takes no cut of the fee charged, no issue with alternate payments methods.
Connect two random people for whatever other reason - Apple charges 30% and you must use Apples payment method for the fee charged.

Seems somewhat arbitrary
Arbitrary
/ˈärbəˌtrerē/
adjective

rules written to the benefit of Apple

:p
 
Seems we have this all figured out, why they don't want the App Store involved for the dissemination and tracking of Netherland Dating apps financial data. Don't want a third party figuring out who's involved and whose doing what. Apple must be thinking why should we help prop up this industry using their store services for free.
Especially, if government officials are the ones using said "dating apps." Although "dating" may be legal in the Netherlands, I'm sure their significant others would not be so keen on the idea.

Can anyone say "Ashley Madison?"

 
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"Meeting in the back alley" is exactly how everyone buys and downloads Mac apps that aren't on the App Store and have done so before the App Store's invention...
Right, but compare malware, viruses, and overall phishing on a Mac vs an iPhone. Then get back to me.
 
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