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DVD Studio Pro 2, Final Cut Pro 4 and Shake 3 - Announced!
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edenwaith
macrumors 6502a
Re: Re: Re: FCP4 system requirements
Good thing, I suppose. I also saw the 60 GB size, so I just assumed that is what the PRO machines are for...to be able to afford having 60 GB to spend. Ugh. My two combined hard drives in my powermac total up to around 35 GB, and I still have well over 14 GB left.
Good thing, I suppose. I also saw the 60 GB size, so I just assumed that is what the PRO machines are for...to be able to afford having 60 GB to spend. Ugh. My two combined hard drives in my powermac total up to around 35 GB, and I still have well over 14 GB left.
edenwaith
macrumors 6502a
I can see your point. The product that I'm getting irked with is Virtual PC. I originally bought VPC version 2 for DOS for around $50. Then I upgraded to VPC 3 since it had better support for DOS games (one of the primary reasons I use VPC). Now the upgrade price for VPC 6 for DOS is nearly as much as the full application itself...now that is just ridiculous...and even worse how much the app is costing now.
But it also depends how useful an upgrade can be to the user. I didn't upgrade to VPC4 because I didn't see enough benefit of doing so, but VPC5 had OS X support, so I upgraded to that one. Once again with VPC6, there doesn't seem to be enough to encourage me to upgrade.
An option on the upgrading policy is to either allow free upgrades forever (a la Stone Design) or perhaps give one free upgrade, but then charge the user after that, or only be backward compatible for one or two versions, so a person is forced to upgrade continually or get a newer product (one can't upgrade from VPC2 to VPC5).
748s
macrumors 6502a
it's a pro app. for the added features it's a good deal. total costs (hardware/software) can be recouped in weeks rather than year(s) for total outlay for an avid. upgrade costs to fcp4 can be recouped in hours. fce would be a better deal for entry level nle. try telling a client to come back in 2 years when fcp6 is available. if you wait that long you are going to be a long way off the pace.
Education version??
Anyone know if the Education version is any different from the full Pro version (other than a drastic price difference)?? Is it lacking any functionality or features?
Anyone know if the Education version is any different from the full Pro version (other than a drastic price difference)?? Is it lacking any functionality or features?
LethalWolfe
macrumors G3
Personally I hav no problems w/upgrade pricing. But if it makes you feel better FCP 1 and 2(?) users might be getting screwed because OS 9 only dics not playing nice in the current OS X world. Originally Apple said "tough cookies buy the full version at 999" and users said "hell no." I don't think and end has been reached yet but last rumor I heard was that there were be an addtional cost for people upgrading from OS 9 only FCP install dics to FCP 3 (or 4 now I guess).
Anyway, if you make your $$$ w/FCP (or in video for that matter) $999 is not a lot of money. Currently the only thing that has the same flexibility and pro features as FCP is an Avid Xpress which starts at around $40k. The fact that Apple offers so much for so little still amazes me.
Lethal
LethalWolfe
macrumors G3
Re: Education version??
Exact same program. The only difference is 1. per the license agreement it can only be used for educational purposes and 2. it has a seperate but equal upgrade path. so, for example, you cannot buy FCP 3.0 edu version and upgrade to the FCP 4 retail version.
Lethal
Exact same program. The only difference is 1. per the license agreement it can only be used for educational purposes and 2. it has a seperate but equal upgrade path. so, for example, you cannot buy FCP 3.0 edu version and upgrade to the FCP 4 retail version.
Lethal
Random thought
The icon for FCP3 has 4:24:48.29 as the reel number and timecode. I wonder if that means anything or it's random....
Gawsh, wouldn't it be fun to work at Apple and know all these little tidbits. 😛
The icon for FCP3 has 4:24:48.29 as the reel number and timecode. I wonder if that means anything or it's random....
Gawsh, wouldn't it be fun to work at Apple and know all these little tidbits. 😛
eric_n_dfw
macrumors 68000
Okay - I'm an idiot - I meant to say I'm a "User B" person. 🙄
I've have all 3 boxes on the shelf (and the empty wallet!) to prove it! 😛
(Hopefully my earlier post makes more sense now)
SPG
macrumors 65816
Not to pee on anyone's parade here, but DVDSP has been plagued by the following shortcomings:
Subtitle support. Absolute hell for most who've tried.
MPEG encode quality. hopefully this is fixed with the new encode software. Still I doubt it will be up to par with the big dogs like Sonic.
DVD-9 support. Well known bug with DVDSP 1 & 1.5
CSS and Macrovision support. The pros need this everyday.
Full GPRM usage. DVDSP takes half the register for it's own use.
Better scripting. The little things that seperate the better DVD's.
hopefully these have been addressed but I didn't see anything about DVD-9 or CSS/Macrovision.
BTW, FCP4 looks sick. Can't wait to get that in the studio!
Subtitle support. Absolute hell for most who've tried.
MPEG encode quality. hopefully this is fixed with the new encode software. Still I doubt it will be up to par with the big dogs like Sonic.
DVD-9 support. Well known bug with DVDSP 1 & 1.5
CSS and Macrovision support. The pros need this everyday.
Full GPRM usage. DVDSP takes half the register for it's own use.
Better scripting. The little things that seperate the better DVD's.
hopefully these have been addressed but I didn't see anything about DVD-9 or CSS/Macrovision.
BTW, FCP4 looks sick. Can't wait to get that in the studio!
Re: FINALLY, reasonable DVD Studio Pro pricing
Superdrives cost less than 300 bucks and iDVD has always been available for purchase on the apple store. I simply bought a superdrive, dropped it in my G4 350, bought iDVD 2 ($30), and started making DVDs. So what is the problem? Cheap DVD drive, nearly free software. What else do you want? Doesn't sound like anybody screwed you, that's for sure.
Superdrives cost less than 300 bucks and iDVD has always been available for purchase on the apple store. I simply bought a superdrive, dropped it in my G4 350, bought iDVD 2 ($30), and started making DVDs. So what is the problem? Cheap DVD drive, nearly free software. What else do you want? Doesn't sound like anybody screwed you, that's for sure.
Hardly an Avid Killer...but its great news 4 all!
Avid is poised to dominate the broadcast market, not to mention they are all over the PC market as well. IMHO: Apple's products will not be an Avid killer anytime soon. Apple's new stuff is AWESOME and certainly kicks it up a notch for them, but they are no where close to Avids broad range of platform/product offerings.....yet.
If anything, its AWESOME competition and its a total win win for consumers. IE: Avid probably would have never released Xpress DV with things like color correction if it wasn't for FCP.
Avid is poised to dominate the broadcast market, not to mention they are all over the PC market as well. IMHO: Apple's products will not be an Avid killer anytime soon. Apple's new stuff is AWESOME and certainly kicks it up a notch for them, but they are no where close to Avids broad range of platform/product offerings.....yet.
If anything, its AWESOME competition and its a total win win for consumers. IE: Avid probably would have never released Xpress DV with things like color correction if it wasn't for FCP.
Indeed. Now, I'm guessing, they'll never release Encore for the Mac.
Not like we're gonna miss it.
To touch on the whole notion of upgrading, I too would at least like to hear that some kind of discount will be offered for past version owners of DVDSP. I really don't want to have to pay $500. Yeah, I know, no one is making me upgrade, but who doesn't want to have the latest and greatest toys? 😉
nuckinfutz
macrumors 603
Re: Hardly an Avid Killer...but its great news 4 all!
Ken Stone might disagree with you now
Avid will not take FCP4 lightly. However I hope they can provide a synergy with FCP at the Low to Midrange end and Avid Systems at the high end. DV should be about interapplication communication. I should be able to take my FCP project and finish it on a high end Avid.
Ken Stone might disagree with you now
Avid will not take FCP4 lightly. However I hope they can provide a synergy with FCP at the Low to Midrange end and Avid Systems at the high end. DV should be about interapplication communication. I should be able to take my FCP project and finish it on a high end Avid.
LethalWolfe
macrumors G3
Re: Hardly an Avid Killer...but its great news 4 all!
Currently Avid is dominating the broadcast market and FCP has limited appeal to broadcasters. But FCP has lots of appeal to the post production industry. No, I am not splitting hairs by seperating broadcast from post because they are different markets w/different needs (even if there is some cross over).
In the post field FCP is an Avid Killer in the realm of off-line NLEs. If you are a post house w/5 or 6 off line machines and one on-line machine would you rather pay ~$40k+ (Avid) or ~$10k+ (FCP) for each off-line machine? Is FCP a Symphony killer or DS killer? No. Is FCP superior to Media/Film composers? No. Are Media/Film composers worth the extra 60 or 80 grand?
What I'm waiting for is a head-to-head comparison of FCP 4 and Avid's XpressPro w/Mojo.
Lethal
Currently Avid is dominating the broadcast market and FCP has limited appeal to broadcasters. But FCP has lots of appeal to the post production industry. No, I am not splitting hairs by seperating broadcast from post because they are different markets w/different needs (even if there is some cross over).
In the post field FCP is an Avid Killer in the realm of off-line NLEs. If you are a post house w/5 or 6 off line machines and one on-line machine would you rather pay ~$40k+ (Avid) or ~$10k+ (FCP) for each off-line machine? Is FCP a Symphony killer or DS killer? No. Is FCP superior to Media/Film composers? No. Are Media/Film composers worth the extra 60 or 80 grand?
What I'm waiting for is a head-to-head comparison of FCP 4 and Avid's XpressPro w/Mojo.
Lethal
crazytom
macrumors 6502a
Re: Re: Upgrade options stink!!!
No, that's very true; but Apple DOES want my money.
I'm a borderline case for owning FCP anyway. I don't make my living with it (I do more audio work), but a small portion of my income comes from video work (mainly from video to DVD transfers---which I don't use FCP or DVDSP to their fullest potential; but iMovie and iDVD don't have some features that I use on occasion).
In comparison, Bias, Inc. just announced Peak 4.0: Purchase price $499; upgrade price $149. To me, that's a much more reasonable structure.
No, that's very true; but Apple DOES want my money.
I'm a borderline case for owning FCP anyway. I don't make my living with it (I do more audio work), but a small portion of my income comes from video work (mainly from video to DVD transfers---which I don't use FCP or DVDSP to their fullest potential; but iMovie and iDVD don't have some features that I use on occasion).
In comparison, Bias, Inc. just announced Peak 4.0: Purchase price $499; upgrade price $149. To me, that's a much more reasonable structure.
eric_n_dfw
macrumors 68000
Re: Re: Hardly an Avid Killer...but its great news 4 all!
Thanks for the Ken Stone quote - I followed the link and found a review on it at http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2003/04_apr/editorials/applenabrnd030406.htm
I had not gathered from Apple's FCP pages that RT out the firewire port was part of RT Extreme.
SWEET!
I now, officially MUST have this! 😀
Thanks for the Ken Stone quote - I followed the link and found a review on it at http://www.digitalvideoediting.com/2003/04_apr/editorials/applenabrnd030406.htm
I had not gathered from Apple's FCP pages that RT out the firewire port was part of RT Extreme.
SWEET!
I now, officially MUST have this! 😀
beatle888
macrumors 68000
Re: Education version??
im not sure, but i have a question for you. i am a photo compositor and color specialist working mainly in photoshop. i would like to start working in film compositing or video compositing. the question is, where should i start? also, is it almost impossible to get into the industry? i am very talented at image compositing in photoshop but i dont SELL myself very well. any advice would be appreciated.
Lethal
i would be grateful if you had some direction on this topic as well. shake looks so simple to me, i love compositing but i know i'll need to learn FCP or something equivalent as well. i just dont know how hard it is to get in the market or where to start. im serious when i say im an incredible photoshop compositor.
thanks.
im not sure, but i have a question for you. i am a photo compositor and color specialist working mainly in photoshop. i would like to start working in film compositing or video compositing. the question is, where should i start? also, is it almost impossible to get into the industry? i am very talented at image compositing in photoshop but i dont SELL myself very well. any advice would be appreciated.
Lethal
i would be grateful if you had some direction on this topic as well. shake looks so simple to me, i love compositing but i know i'll need to learn FCP or something equivalent as well. i just dont know how hard it is to get in the market or where to start. im serious when i say im an incredible photoshop compositor.
thanks.
Logic "Express"?
Hey iJon,
I think what you are looking for is Logic Audio Platinum, Gold and Audio 😉 They already have that
Hey iJon,
I think what you are looking for is Logic Audio Platinum, Gold and Audio 😉 They already have that
LethalWolfe
macrumors G3
Re: Re: Education version??
Beatle888,
If you want to do compositing, color, vfx, etc., then look at Shake, After Effects, and programs like Smoke and Flame (on the high end) from Discreet. Unless you get a job that has you wearing the "eidting" hat and the "compositing/FX" hat you'll rarely, if ever, have to use an editing program. Usually an editor will cut the piece and then hand it over to you, the compositer/finisher, to color correction, final FX, etc.,.
Lethal
Beatle888,
If you want to do compositing, color, vfx, etc., then look at Shake, After Effects, and programs like Smoke and Flame (on the high end) from Discreet. Unless you get a job that has you wearing the "eidting" hat and the "compositing/FX" hat you'll rarely, if ever, have to use an editing program. Usually an editor will cut the piece and then hand it over to you, the compositer/finisher, to color correction, final FX, etc.,.
Lethal
P-Worm
macrumors 68020
Re: Re: Re: Hardly an Avid Killer...but its great news 4 all!
Thanks for the article.
Check out what it says at the bottom of page 2:
Apple says existing Shake for Linux, Irix and Windows customers will continue to be given the option to double the number of their existing Shake licenses at no additional cost by migrating them to Shake on Mac OS X. For more information, visit http://www.apple.com/shake.
That's tight if I'm reading that correctly. I expect these updates to bring the switchers in droves.
P-Worm
Thanks for the article.
Check out what it says at the bottom of page 2:
Apple says existing Shake for Linux, Irix and Windows customers will continue to be given the option to double the number of their existing Shake licenses at no additional cost by migrating them to Shake on Mac OS X. For more information, visit http://www.apple.com/shake.
That's tight if I'm reading that correctly. I expect these updates to bring the switchers in droves.
P-Worm