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Does anyone know if Shake has a free version for download anywhere like Maya does? Not for actual usage, but to play around with, maybe with water marks overlaid on the images and rendering somewhat disabled? I'm not really expecting them to have one, but a little hope never hurt.

P-Worm
 
Originally posted by P-Worm
Does anyone know if Shake has a free version for download anywhere like Maya does? Not for actual usage, but to play around with, maybe with water marks overlaid on the images and rendering somewhat disabled? I'm not really expecting them to have one, but a little hope never hurt.

P-Worm
I'd love to see Apple start doing that. I don't believe they do, nor do I remember them ever offering demo versions of their stuff - at least not in the time that I've been a Mac user - since about 1997.
 
Re: Re: Re: Education version??

Originally posted by LethalWolfe
Beatle888,

If you want to do compositing, color, vfx, etc., then look at Shake, After Effects, and programs like Smoke and Flame (on the high end) from Discreet. Unless you get a job that has you wearing the "eidting" hat and the "compositing/FX" hat you'll rarely, if ever, have to use an editing program. Usually an editor will cut the piece and then hand it over to you, the compositer/finisher, to color correction, final FX, etc.,.


Lethal


Lethal,

is the industry too closed off for someone to be self taught and new to the industry with no experience? by the time im searching for a position i'll really know my stuff but since i'll be starting out i wont have an impressive resume.

and thanks again for your help. i really really do appreciate it. ive been really down on my future and im looking for something that will bring some stability. the print industry is really bad right now. grrrrrrr never mind im rambling. but i do appreciate it.
 
Beatle888:

There is a huge difference between Photoshop compositing and film compositing. Working with moving pictures is not like working on a still image. The VFX industry has been hit hard by the current state of the economy just like the print industry. There is a lot of experienced compositors/visual effects artist who are looking for work now (especially with all the vfx houses that have closed lately). Your best chance would be to look for an intern job at one of these facilities that are still around. My advice to you is to learn how to rotoscope properly either by using After Effects or even better Discreet's Combustion. Shake also has nice rotoscoping tools but the other two are more accessible. Combustion's rotosplines are also compatible (or can be open) with Flame and Inferno which are industry standards. Good roto artists are hard to come by. I know that when I look for a junior or assistant the first question I ask them is about their roto skills.


-Ricardo
 
Originally posted by ricktowers
Beatle888:

There is a huge difference between Photoshop compositing and film compositing. Working with moving pictures is not like working on a still image. The VFX industry has been hit hard by the current state of the economy just like the print industry. There is a lot of experienced compositors/visual effects artist who are looking for work now (especially with all the vfx houses that have closed lately). Your best chance would be to look for an intern job at one of these facilities that are still around. My advice to you is to learn how to rotoscope properly either by using After Effects or even better Discreet's Combustion. Shake also has nice rotoscoping tools but the other two are more accessible. Combustion's rotosplines are also compatible (or can be open) with Flame and Inferno which are industry standards. Good roto artists are hard to come by. I know that when I look for a junior or assistant the first question I ask them is about their roto skills.


-Ricardo


ricktowers gave some good advice. Not to be a killjoy Beatle888 but the film/TV industry is a tough place to be right now. Places are hiring to replace (if someone quit or got fired) but I haven't seen places hiring to expand in almost 2 years. But that being said if this is something you want to do then go for it. If you are good you'll land a job eventually. 🙂


Lethal
 
Re: Re: Re: Education version??

Originally posted by LethalWolfe
Beatle888,

If you want to do compositing, color, vfx, etc., then look at Shake, After Effects, and programs like Smoke and Flame (on the high end) from Discreet. Unless you get a job that has you wearing the "eidting" hat and the "compositing/FX" hat you'll rarely, if ever, have to use an editing program. Usually an editor will cut the piece and then hand it over to you, the compositer/finisher, to color correction, final FX, etc.,.


Lethal

I would also recommend Discreet's Combustion (less tahn $1000, as it is on par with, if not better than AE and allows you to migrate upwards to Flame (~ $16k for the licenese alone another couple of grand for an SGI to run it on) as the interface (modules) are pretty comparable all the way up.
 
The new titling features in FCP4 sure look like fun to play with. But that's all I would do with them - play - because I don't use FCP for paid work. Therefore, much as I'd like to have it, I can't afford to upgrade. I always like to have the latest and greatest of everything, but I'll have to be content with FCP3. 🙁
 
oh man, it sounds tough all over. well, i'll check out combustion and hopefully it will run on my system. if not i'll start with after effects. that wouldnt be a waist of time i believe, since it was recommended (but not over combustion). damn, this economy is hitting hard. good luck to ALL OF YOU. and thank you sooooo much for the help. OH, how do people learn these applications if the software and sgi systems are so expensive? would it be best to enroll in classes because of this fact? i usually teach myself.

ok anyway, i dont want to bleed you all dry. im gonna go join a motion graphics and film forum.
thanks you again.

beatle888.
 
Originally posted by beatle888
oh man, it sounds tough all over. well, i'll check out combustion and hopefully it will run on my system. if not i'll start with after effects. that wouldnt be a waist of time i believe, since it was recommended (but not over combustion). damn, this economy is hitting hard. good luck to ALL OF YOU. and thank you sooooo much for the help. OH, how do people learn these applications if the software and sgi systems are so expensive? would it be best to enroll in classes because of this fact? i usually teach myself.

ok anyway, i dont want to bleed you all dry. im gonna go join a motion graphics and film forum.
thanks you again.

beatle888.

check out creativecow.net. Very good community and they have a forum for just about everything. I majored in radio/tv production in college so thats when I got my first chance to play w/the big toys. Since college I've had jobs and internships that have kept me in touch w/the hardware and software. I also have my own FCP set up because I cut low budget/indiepent movies on nights/weeknds.

If you live in a large market you mgiht be able to volunteer your time as a way to get your foot in the door. When I lived in LA I was able to do that, but back here in Indiana I'm unable to find any place that will let me work for free.


Lethal
 
Am I missing something?

I take it there is no upgrade path for DVD SP?

I guess that's OK since they cut the price in half anyway. I can live with that. It looks like it'll be worth it.
 
Re: Am I missing something?

Originally posted by crazytom
I take it there is no upgrade path for DVD SP?

Well, an Apple rep on the official site's DVDSP forums has hinted that whether or not their is an upgrade version made for retail/download - outside of the 'up-to-date' thing - is decision to be made closer to August.

Sounds hopeful. I'd hate to have to pay $500 having just brought DVDSP 2 weeks ago.
 
Originally posted by iJon
well apple is gonna be pissed again. looks like someone leaked fcp and its on carracho.

iJon


Is it really FCP 4 or just a file called FCP 4? Even if it is FCP 4 I'd doubt it's the final version and a unfinalized NLE is one of the last pieces of software I'd want on my computer. 😉


Lethal
 
Originally posted by LethalWolfe
Is it really FCP 4 or just a file called FCP 4? Even if it is FCP 4 I'd doubt it's the final version and a unfinalized NLE is one of the last pieces of software I'd want on my computer. 😉


Lethal
not sure, dont see why he would lie, im sure its the beta. i saw some people on spymac posting pictures after the annoucement it was out.

iJon
 
haha i just talked with the guy on the server. apparently it was a dmg just full of music and stuff. thats so funny, i wonder how many people downloaded it.

iJon
 
Originally posted by iJon
haha i just talked with the guy on the server. apparently it was a dmg just full of music and stuff. thats so funny, i wonder how many people downloaded it.

iJon

I pulled that one once. Just for kicks I renamed a video I did for school "The best Simpsons episode ever!" Within 30 minutes, eight people downloaded it and were probably very disappointed with what they found.

Oh the joys of peer to peer networks. 🙂

P-Worm
 
The way the new apps are presented now with similar boxes (with the exception of logic) and labelled pro digital production on the same page, does anyone think an iLife or Office like suite will come out sometime soon. Maybe this would be called something like iCreate and involve Emagic Logic Platinum becoming something like Apple Logic Pro and getting a box to match the others, maybe with an ear instead of an eye. Of course the cost would be high (but less than the cost off all seperate) not the $50 or so of iLife. It would be good to offer the intergration between these apps like the iLife apps have. Then I'd like Logic Gold to become something like Logic Express and the low end app or a new app based on logic but re designed to be easy to use to become iTraxs and added to iLife. It would be cool for Apple to buy Maya too with it sharing the same file format as shake. I dunno if Apple has ever shown any intrest in this. Their sketch book app technology would be a nice addition to OS X Panther as well to add sketching intergation across apps.
 
Creating VCDs?

Hi. I'm curious if anyone knows if DVD studio will work with CDs? (if the data isn't too large) That could be creating a nice interface for playing video clips that are on a CD or a full-fledged VCD? If not, is there other software that does that? Thanks,

Nathan
 
Re: Creating VCDs?

Originally posted by finchna
Hi. I'm curious if anyone knows if DVD studio will work with CDs? (if the data isn't too large) That could be creating a nice interface for playing video clips that are on a CD or a full-fledged VCD? If not, is there other software that does that? Thanks,

Nathan
it doesnt, it only works for dvd r 5's to dvd r 18's (i think 18 is the highest).

iJon
 
Re: Creating VCDs?

Originally posted by finchna
Hi. I'm curious if anyone knows if DVD studio will work with CDs? (if the data isn't too large) That could be creating a nice interface for playing video clips that are on a CD or a full-fledged VCD? If not, is there other software that does that?

I don't believe DVDSP does anything other than DVDs.

However, the CD burning software of choice for many is Roxio's Toast 5 Titanium.
 
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