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Seriously, Apple is big, and Steve get's alot of emails per day. he probaby only answers the ones with businnes information..

i hope he is joking...

You're definitely joking. :D

It may have been in poor taste, but yeah it was a joke. I don't care if you are the CEO of a small company even, you usually don't respond so personally enough to refer to yourself as a first name like you are my friend. That response you got was a premeditated one from a list of commonly asked questions OR complaints.

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Why wouldn't he? Sure, he's busy and all but he's a human like we are and certainly has time to check and reply to an email or two if he pleases. However, I'm sure he has some secretary taking care of emails but sometimes he's probably like "Hey Judy, lemme read a couple of emails" and then quickly responds to whatever he fancies. How's that not feasible?

It's not feasible because of the fierce schedule he has to respond to complaints about dead pixels. If you send him more emails all you will get is no response. If you try calling his personal number at home someone else will respond first. If you had his cellphone and didn't know the number he wouldn't answer. If you make millions of dollars, you can do it too.
 
Honestly that response is BS and you should accept it, and shouldn't force to accept it. Part of the reason apple products are so expensive is because you pay a premium for their reliability and customer service. It should be apple's problem if they can't manufacture screen's without dead pixels, not yours. Apple should care about their consumers, which judging by the response it appears as if they don't; they have enough numbers without your sale, or so I interpret the e-mail to imply.

So I guess Steve wants you to accept a defective product when other companies manage to create products without as many dead pixels. The whole bit about lowering your standards is complete BS and I'd continue to exchange that until you get a working one. Don't settle for an inferior product at a premium price!

Yeah, in case you can't tell I'm a little pissed at apple myself.
 
If you have applecare, I think its fair to go and replace it as many times as you want until you get lucky, but "Steve" is right, expect that from such mass production. That goes for pretty much anything. I am pretty upset that my donut this morning was stale, but it happens.
 
Why wouldn't he? Sure, he's busy and all but he's a human like we are and certainly has time to check and reply to an email or two if he pleases. However, I'm sure he has some secretary taking care of emails but sometimes he's probably like "Hey Judy, lemme read a couple of emails" and then quickly responds to whatever he fancies. How's that not feasible?

Joshua.

I used to work for a major US privately held corporation with a single owner (head of the family.) We're talking about a billion dollar corporation like Apple whose name you would immediately recognize, not a Mom & Pop place.

Anyway, the president's secretary (who happened to be a neighbor of mine) said that she would routinely sort his mail every day, screen what she felt were the most important or pressing issues from customers, and summarize them for him. He would review the summary and give it back to her to write token responses, and on occasion would pen a response himself.

She also filtered the correspondence and routed much of it to the appropriate department head to deal with (which was me, in some cases.) When you got a memo from "Judy" you knew it was something you better resolve, and quickly.

I am sure there is a similar arrangement at Apple.

MacDann
 
If you have applecare, I think its fair to go and replace it as many times as you want until you get lucky, but "Steve" is right, expect that from such mass production. That goes for pretty much anything. I am pretty upset that my donut this morning was stale, but it happens.

Apple does have a policy for stuck pixels - it's a fixed percentage of the total number in the display. I can't recall the exact percentage, but I came up against this with a brand new 20" iMac a few years ago that has two stuck pixels. When I contacted Apple about it they referred me to the policy.

Essentially, if the number of stuck pixels exceeds this percentage, they replace it. If not, you're stuck (with your pixels.)

MacDann
 
Although the response is fair, it's not exactly very sympathetic.
I'd have thought that something along the lines of "There are millions of perfectly-working iPod Touches out there but you've been unfortunate; please replace your current one for a working one" would be more apt and in-line with other responses which I've seen.
 
I e-mailed him in frustration about continually getting iPod touches with several stuck pixels. I must have seen 8 iPod touches and every single one of them had stuck pixels. I wanted to ask him if all/most of them really did have it, or if most of them don't but I just haven't found one yet. Based on my experience, it just seems far, far too common. He answered my e-mails a few hours after I sent it. This is what he wrote,

(Name removed),
Its not technically feasible to make displays with no bad pixels in the numbers we require. The industry standard for a good display is a few bad pixels. So I'm afraid that either you're going to have to lower your standards to a more realistic level or do without an iPod touch.

All the best,
Steve


Interesting response. I was sort of expecting him to say that, but hey, at least he answered. The current iPod touch I have has a stuck pixel and I'll just live with it. Aside from that problem it's still a great device.




if you think that steve jobs sent you an email within a few hours of you writing to him you are kidding yourself.
 
Apple does have a policy for stuck pixels - it's a fixed percentage of the total number in the display. I can't recall the exact percentage, but I came up against this with a brand new 20" iMac a few years ago that has two stuck pixels. When I contacted Apple about it they referred me to the policy.

Essentially, if the number of stuck pixels exceeds this percentage, they replace it. If not, you're stuck (with your pixels.)

MacDann

Every maker does the same. Pixel fault classes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_13406-2
One of the few makers who guaranties 0 dead or stuck pixels is Asus:
http://www.asus.com/999/html/events/notebook/zbd/b1.htm
 
I don't know whether he did send you back for answer because he is so busy enough not to answer it. I guess that secretary did it for him.

anyway, pixel problem is spread over the industry. even finest screen has dead pixels few. if you can see some bothering by screen dead pixels, you can go to apple store, exchange it. I mean that dead pixels should have more than you think.
 
my touch has one stuck pixel but you can barely notice it because of its location...actually my wife noticed it a month before I did and chose not to tell me because she thought i'd be fixated on it

i think that the average consumer shouldn't have to lower their expectations and it should be a company's job to meet the average consumers expectations
 
Sony explain in their documentation that a small number of dots on the screen that remain a single colour are a characteristic of the display and in no way represent a manufacturing fault.

This on their high end BRAVIA range, which costs way more than iPod touch. It would be stupidly wasteful chucking every screen with one stuck pixel, especially as the vast majority of customers won't notice.

As long as it is within a threshold I don't think it matters. Everyone plays by the same rules. If consumers don't like LCD screens, then they don't have to buy them.
 
Sony explain in their documentation that a small number of dots on the screen that remain a single colour are a characteristic of the display and in no way represent a manufacturing fault.

This on their high end BRAVIA range, which costs way more than iPod touch. It would be stupidly wasteful chucking every screen with one stuck pixel, especially as the vast majority of customers won't notice.

As long as it is within a threshold I don't think it matters. Everyone plays by the same rules. If consumers don't like LCD screens, then they don't have to buy them.

As mentioned before the iPod Touch is a lowrez device...
 
Jobs has been a pr*ck in every response like this that I've read. Honestly, why does he even bother? I mean a) the guy's a CEO, he has _people_ who can do this stuff for him, and b) he's not improving customer relations by telling his customers that they're living in cloud cuckoo land every time he descends from on high to answer an e-mail.

Honestly, it's a tiny little screen, not a 24" 1920x1200 display. It's not unreasonable to expect 2 out of 3 of these things to be bad-pixel-free. I haven't heard any similar complaints about the iPhones which use a different panel.

It's not actually jobs...I've emailed him before and got a call an hour later from his "personal assistant"...I didn't even leave them my number and somehow they got my cell number.
 
If that's a genuine email from Steve then I'm a little disappointed. I know, from my own experience, how easy it is to get a little peeved with customers who are very demanding. But Apple customers are very very demanding, more demanding than customers of many other brands, and what Steve should be doing is striving for perfection - not accepting mediocrity.

Sure, pass the buck if you want to the manufacturers of these screens, but don't say that defects are OK.
 
sry didn't read the rest of posts except op


but i am to mad about this general idea

why the f(*& make something that doesn't do what it is supposed to do.

like living with a dish washer
o before it washes it for you, you have to wash it.

maybe this will be my passion in life

but correct me if im wrong, isnt something supposed to work correctly?
 
That response sounds a little too "f. you" from a guy said to be a customer-focused perfectionist. Not saying the OP is lying -- could be an out-of-character pseudo-Steve, or the genuine article having an off day.

Or, possibly, it could have been intentionally "a little too f. you." Single-pixel defects are a little bit unavoidable in the large scale, but they aren't the plague some people claim. I myself have never gotten one on any LCD from any manufacturer. Remembering that Apple's quality control would closely examine a random sample of outgoing units and every unit returned as defective, you can kind of know based on QC reports what kind of customer defect experience is plausible and what kind isn't. You can't know for sure that any particular customer isn't just spectacularly unlucky, but you can know that in general certain kinds of very dramatic complaints tend not to be entirely accurate. You also know that every time a customer returns a product, it costs the company money. A customer who returns ten iPods may eat up more than the profit margin on the eleventh he chooses to keep.

There is a calculus to this sort of thing. For verified reports of real defects, you want to minimize the defects, because returns cost money and that's within your control. For reports of imaginary defects, or "defects" that would not trouble the typical customer, you're better off not trying to retain the customer, because the cost of returns is the same, but you can't fix the problem internally. For spectacularly unlucky customers, they still cost the company money, but as long as you've done a good enough job of minimizing the real defects, such unlucky customers are rare enough that losing them doesn't hurt the business, even accounting for internet word-of-mouth. Therefore, speaking purely logically (as opposed to sympathetically), unless you've verified a genuine QC problem, it is not unreasonable to treat every customer with a complaint sufficiently outside reasonable expectations as if he's the sort of customer you're better off without.

I want to stress that I am absolutely not questioning the OP's story. The "spectacularly unlucky" group will always be nontrivial in size, and they're more likely to post about their experiences than happy customers are. I'm just suggesting the sort of train of thought that might lead to a response I still think was overly brusque, even for Steve.
 
hey just wondering.
how do you even know what a dead pixel looks like?
can i put a picture on my screen that will show it?

i dunno never seen one before.
maybe you got the short straw

and come on people, steve jobs, actually sending people emails.

and steve could be anyone
it could be f**^ing stevie wonder
 
if you think that steve jobs sent you an email within a few hours of you writing to him you are kidding yourself.

I'd say there's a good chance it's him. I've e-mailed him once before about something and I got a call from someone. I'd say it's 50:50 on this one.
 
That response sounds a little too "f. you" from a guy said to be a customer-focused perfectionist. Not saying the OP is lying -- could be an out-of-character pseudo-Steve, or the genuine article having an off day.

Or, possibly, it could have been intentionally "a little too f. you." Single-pixel defects are a little bit unavoidable in the large scale, but they aren't the plague some people claim. I myself have never gotten one on any LCD from any manufacturer. Remembering that Apple's quality control would closely examine a random sample of outgoing units and every unit returned as defective, you can kind of know based on QC reports what kind of customer defect experience is plausible and what kind isn't. You can't know for sure that any particular customer isn't just spectacularly unlucky, but you can know that in general certain kinds of very dramatic complaints tend not to be entirely accurate. You also know that every time a customer returns a product, it costs the company money. A customer who returns ten iPods may eat up more than the profit margin on the eleventh he chooses to keep.

There is a calculus to this sort of thing. For verified reports of real defects, you want to minimize the defects, because returns cost money and that's within your control. For reports of imaginary defects, or "defects" that would not trouble the typical customer, you're better off not trying to retain the customer, because the cost of returns is the same, but you can't fix the problem internally. For spectacularly unlucky customers, they still cost the company money, but as long as you've done a good enough job of minimizing the real defects, such unlucky customers are rare enough that losing them doesn't hurt the business, even accounting for internet word-of-mouth. Therefore, speaking purely logically (as opposed to sympathetically), unless you've verified a genuine QC problem, it is not unreasonable to treat every customer with a complaint sufficiently outside reasonable expectations as if he's the sort of customer you're better off without.

I want to stress that I am absolutely not questioning the OP's story. The "spectacularly unlucky" group will always be nontrivial in size, and they're more likely to post about their experiences than happy customers are. I'm just suggesting the sort of train of thought that might lead to a response I still think was overly brusque, even for Steve.

Good post.

I don't believe in luck, though. I just think they have a problem with their screens on this one. The only reason I'm keeping this one is because I don't feel like going back again. Enough is enough! I can't even count how many I've gone through precisely - I have at least 7 bills but I know that a few of the ones I've had I don't have bills for because I work at the store where I purchased it from and so I opened it before going through the whole return-exchange process.

Oh, and for everyone else, I know there's a way to "prove" this is a real e-mail and not just something I made up, but I don't know how to use that function in Mail, and besides that, I have plenty of posts on this forum...why would I lie?

I also don't think it's his "assistant" answering. Why would he let an assistant sign his name on responses (especially rather "unsympathetic" ones like this)? If someone wrote an e-mail to a customer like the one I received and signed MY name I'd be pretty angry at them without consulting me first.

I think he should have just said sorry for having had such a hard time, just go exchange it and you're sure to get a perfect one.

The only way I'm going to return this thing is if I decide the 32 gb is worth it...haha. I've blown way, way too much time at playing the apple lottery this time around.
 
No I don't think so, I would believe you if this was big business...Apple is huge but realistically not big like Microsoft. Bill Gates would certainly not respond to a customer email.

Steve must get a lot of emails in a day, but I think he does check and send responses from time to time. Perhaps there is a filtering system or something.

Bill Gates sent a guy a new xbox because he got an email complaing that it broke
 
It's such a tiny lowrez screen, it really shouldn't have any stuck pixels for that price!

I think this is a key consideration, Apple's Touch is top of the line hardware. They should be able to effectively sort screens from their supplier or have the supplier do so. That bad screens can always be sold to some low end manufacture. It Really sounds like Apple needs to find a supplier that is capitalized in a way that they can deliver the products APPLE's customers demand.

In any event I have to agree with the idea that this is a low pixel count screen and frankly should be held to a higher standard by Apple. I mean what would people think if every third battery only lasted 10 hours.

Dave
 
Nah, it's the tone. I've never cared for it. When you're in charge of arguably the coolest corporation on the planet, I suppose you can get away with it, but it definitely grates on me.

The tone is fine.

FWIW My Touch has no bad pixels.
 
Technically feasible? I think he means financially or economically feasible.

Definitely not Jobs. If it was, I've lost a bit of respect for him.
 
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