E3 and NAB Events Canceled Due to Coronavirus

[macpro2000]

its not a flu, everyone needs to stop saying that since its very W R O N G

You're right, it's not like the flu, it's actually more like a cold. Get over it people. Practice good hygiene. That's it.

 

[AnakinMac]

Again, in the US we have 33 deaths, all compromised individuals, most in a home. Think about that..out of hundreds of millions, 33 deaths. And I guarantee you people have had this since Dec/Jan in the USA. China wasn't honest about this.

How you come to the conclusion 33 deaths out of hundreds of millions.
Somehow you think the actual cases are way higher than we see, but the death number is correct. If you want to bring in hundreds of millions of potential cases you need also count any death with respiratory conditions and revisit those.

And how's China to blame not honest about this? Do you think people should blame Spanish Flu on Spain government?

 

[bpeeps]

One thing being lost in all this hysteria.

How much cleaner people are being in general. A lot less bacteria/viruses in general, especially the flu due to the mass cleaning operations everywhere. I've gotten so many emails from my office building, condo building, restaurants, stores, etc all saying they are doing 110% cleaning efforts.

Things that people should have been doing all along over the years. Maybe this will help bring down flu deaths this year.

Flu shots are statistically proven to bring down flu deaths but too many idiots are anti-vax. The same people who never get the annual flu vaccine are all talking about how they can't wait for a Coronavirus vaccine. It really just makes you think about our state of education.

 

[macpro2000]

The death rate has always been fuzzy and is getting even fuzzier, but I do tend to believe that under ideal conditions it could be kept below 1% or near 1%.

On the other hand, that's all academic because once the healthcare system is overrun, the death rate goes way up because some people are just going to be left to die because there aren't resources to save them. Italy's a highly developed Western nation. Their fatality rate is currently above 6% and over the past few days when the infection went into turbo mode, their fatality rate has been even higher.

People are being comforted by the thought that this should only kill well under 1% of people. Not if things go south.

It's not even near 1% dude. It's more like .025%. It's a bad cold.

 

[tzm41]

It's not even near 1% dude. It's more like .025%. It's a bad cold.

That's just factually wrong... "The WHO Estimated COVID-19 Mortality at 3.4%."

 

[AnakinMac]

It's not even near 1% dude. It's more like .025%. It's a bad cold.

Bad cold will not cause pulmonary fibrosis.

 

[smirking]

It's not even near 1% dude. It's more like .025%. It's a bad cold.

Excellent, where are your sources?

I reference the CDC, the WHO, and my local county's public health department.

But let's assume that only 25 out of 10,000 (.025%) people die from this. Explain how this scene happens with such a weak disease:

The WHO did a 9 day fact finding mission throughout China with 25 world experts in infectious diseases to try to determine the basics of this disease. In their estimation, they saw no reason for optimism. It was not a flu. It was both more contagious and more lethal by far. The only hope for that assessment being wrong is that there's a huge number of asymptomatic and mild carriers out there who aren't being counted.

The WHO does not think there are. How could they know this? Well, consider what China did to get their outbreak under control.

China deployed 9000 epidemiologists to track down every man woman and child who was even suspected to have Covid 19. They used high tech police state tools to find everyone of interest and deployed a dragnet that included draconian measures such as forcing people to identify themselves with QR codes so their every movement could be tracked. Once they found someone who was positive, they dragged everyone that person who came close to the infected person in for testing using the tools of their surveilance state.

Because they were tracking people in a database through QR codes, they knew where people were and when. If you came close to an infected person, you got a notification instructing you to appear in person at a specified location for manatory quarantine and possible testing. See the attached tracking ID below.

They rounded up and tested everyone they wanted to test and if any tested positive the cycle started over again with all of those people's contacts being ordered to report. They kept going until they ran out of positive results.



What does this all mean? It means there ain't armies of the infected silently walking around without a care in the world. These people do exist because not even a Chinese police state dragnet can catch all of them, but they don't exist in the massive numbers that even some experts speculated at first. The fatality rate is no joke.

But you're partially correct, it's a bad cold for up to 80% of those who get it. Unfortunately, it's life threatening for the rest.

 

[macpro2000]

Could’ve swore Mr. president said it wasn’t a threat to the U.S.

He's correct.
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Excellent, where are your sources?

I reference the CDC, the WHO, and my local county's public health department in addition to doing a lot of reading of different perspectives of the case fatality rate.

But let's assume that only .25% of people die from this. Explain how this scene happens with such a weak disease:

The WHO did a 9 day fact finding mission throughout China with 25 world experts in infectious diseases to try to determine the basics of this disease. In their estimation, they saw no reason for optimism. It was not a flu. It was both more contagious and more lethal by far. The only hope for that assessment being wrong is that there's a huge number of asymptomatic and mild carriers out there who aren't being counted therefore the disease looks more lethal.

The WHO does not thinks so. How could they know this? Well, consider what China did to get their outbreak under control. They deployed 9000 epidemiologists to track down every man woman and child who was even suspected to have Covid 19. They used high tech police state tools to find locate everyone of interest. The deployed a dragnet that include draconian measures like forcing people to identify themselves with QR codes so their every movement could be tracked. Once they found someone who was positive, they dragged everyone that person who came close to the infected person in for testing using the tools of their surveilance state.

Those QR codes? Because they were tracking people in a database, they knew who was in an approximate area. If you came close to an infected person, you got a notification instructing you to appear in person at a specified location for manatory quarantine and possible testing. See the attached tracking ID below.

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What does this all mean? It means there ain't armies of the infected silently walking around without a care in the world. These people do exist, but they don't exist in the massive numbers that even some experts speculated at first. The fatality rate is no joke.

But you're partially correct, it's a bad cold for up to 80% of those who get it. It's life threatening for the rest.

Sorry, it's barely more threatening than the common cold.

 

[yadmonkey]

its not a flu, everyone needs to stop saying that since its very W R O N G

You're right. It is closer to a nasty strain of the common cold, which is also a caronavirus.

Influenza kills 0.1% of people who contract it. COVID-19 kills 2-3% or more. And yes, it "targets" people in their later years, so young people can just ignore the threat, right? Sure, if you don't care about your parents/grandparents...

Those numbers are garbage. This year's flu is killing closer to 0.2% and the victims are disproportionately children. Yet we are not panicking about that. As for COVID-19, we simply don't know. All we really know is that the people who are being tested tend to be the severely ill, which will skew the hell out of the data towards the grim.

 

[TheMacDaddy1]

That's just factually wrong... "The WHO Estimated COVID-19 Mortality at 3.4%."

The WHO has no idea honestly. How many people have NOT been tested? If you could test everyone right now in the US I bet you add 100,000 people that have it right now. Then the mortality rate number drops drastically.

All anyone knows is deaths and even that number is not perfect because I doubt they test everyone that dies from the flu/bad cold turned pneumonia/covid.

According to the CDC the flu....

In total, the CDC estimates that up to 42.9 million people got sick during the 2018-2019 flu season, 647,000 people were hospitalized and 61,200 died. That’s fairly on par with a typical season, and well below the CDC’s 2017-2018 estimates of 48.8 million illnesses, 959,000 hospitalizations and 79,400 deaths.

We do not have the 2019/2020 numbers yet. Why was the news not giving us daily totals in 2017/2018 when 80,000 people died in the US, or 61,000 in 2018/2019. Why were people not freaking out and buying up all kinds of stuff when 48 million people were sick from the flu and 960,000 were hospitalized.

I am not saying this virus will not be as bad, but right now it has a LONG way to catch up to the Flu.

 

[goobot]

This sucks

 

[hsotnicam8002]

You're right. It is closer to a nasty strain of the common cold, which is also a caronavirus.

So many experts in diddly squat. Common colds: Rhinovirus, Coronavirus, RSC and parainfluenza.

 

[smirking]

Those numbers are garbage. This year's flu is killing closer to 0.2%

You really should go through the trouble of looking up your facts. Allow me to assist.

From CDC Estimates of the 2019 Flu Season

34,000,000 to 49,000,000 flu illnesses
20,000 to 52,000 deaths

If we use the two lowest numbers, we get a death rate of .005%. That is less than a tenth of one percent.

Even if we use the try to game the results by dividing the highest death number with the lowest infection count we still only end up with .025% flu deaths.

 

[GuruZac]

Bad cold will not cause pulmonary fibrosis.

Has COVID-19 been shown to cause pulmonary fibrosis? ARDS, yes, but generally speaking, fibrosis happens with chronic inflammation which by very definition is not acute. Not underestimating the damage COVID-19 may cause to pulmonary tissue. My brother is a pulmonologist/intensivist so I worry about his exposure.

 

[unobtainium]

NAB makes sense since it's a few weeks away...E3 no way.

By June this will be an after thought & we'll be wondering what the hysteria was about.

I don't care about the comparisons to the flu, etc... this is affecting hundreds of thousands less then the flu & we don't freak out like this about flu outbreaks that spread just as fast, kill hundreds of thousands more, and can't be quaranteed & has a vaccine that doesn't aways work.

The mass majority that get this will never have anything other then mild symptoms...this is mass hysteria that is a self fulfilling prophecy.




It's a respiratory virus that is similar to the flu. No it's not the flu. But it's in the same type of category.

The flu is the correct virus to compare it because of the hysteria being generated over this when flu outbreaks, contaminations, etc killed hundreds of thousands more no one goes insanity level like they are now. Flu kills everyone of all ages, this seems to focus on the elderly or compromised immune systems (just like the flu).

Again, in the US we have 33 deaths, all compromised individuals, most in a home. Think about that..out of hundreds of millions, 33 deaths. And I guarantee you people have had this since Dec/Jan in the USA. China wasn't honest about this.

Right now we're about about 3 months into this and 4.6k people have died out of billions. That will go up some, but at this rate, China has slowed to almost nothing, same with Korea, Japan, etc...and China was the ground zero area with terrible health, hygiene, air quality etc...take out them this doesn't even register.

We're over-reacting to a point of causing a recession & this is absurdity night now. Cancelling E3 was stupid. They should rethink this in a month.

You and all the other nay-sayers just display a complete lack of contextual understanding, it’s astounding. The fatality rate is the relevant metric, not the absolute number of deaths. This thing is new, has just begun spreading in the U.S., and has a much higher fatality rate than seasonal flu. If you don’t understand what the concern is, maybe read up on these things a bit before coming out blazing with your bad takes.

Secondly, cancelling events is the best way of slowing the spread, which will prevent hospitals from becoming completely overburdened as they have been in China and Italy. When 15-20% of Covid-19 patients need to be hospitalized, there is just no way the U.S. system can keep up. There isn’t capacity. So slowing the spread is absolutely vital, or you will get situations like what is happening in Italy and the UK now, where doctors have talked about allowing older patients to die when there aren’t enough beds, so they can give their beds to younger patients who have a better chance of survival. This is a level of chaos that we never see with seasonal flu, or at least haven’t since 1918. So get your facts straight before commenting, please.

 

[Mw0103]

You're right, it's not like the flu, it's actually more like a cold. Get over it people. Practice good hygiene. That's it.

I’ve started calling these posts minimizing this event “aggressive ignorance.”

Calling this a cold is worse than regular ignorance. It’s affirmative chosen evangelical ignorance, and it only serves to embolden those who are part of this weird culture of science denial.

 

[smirking]

So many experts in diddly squat. Common colds: Rhinovirus, Coronavirus, RSC and parainfluenza.

The word Coronavirus refers to the physical appearance of the virus. It has spikes with crown like objects on the spikes.

It's true that there are colds that are coronaviruses, but that doesn't mean they're the same thing.

Likewise, both you and Michael Phelps are humans, but I'll eat a pickaxe if you have any gold medals.

 

[TheMacDaddy1]

You and all the other nay-sayers just display a complete lack of contextual understanding, it’s astounding. The fatality rate is the relevant metric, not the absolute number of deaths. This thing is new, has just begun spreading in the U.S., and has a much higher fatality rate than seasonal flu. If you don’t understand what the concern is, maybe read up on these things a bit before coming out blazing with your bad takes.

Secondly, cancelling events is the best way of slowing the spread, which will prevent hospitals from becoming completely overburdened as they have been in China and Italy. When 15-20% of Covid-19 patients need to be hospitalized, there is just no way the U.S. system can keep up. There isn’t capacity. So slowing the spread is absolutely vital, or you will get situations like what is happening in Italy and the UK now, where doctors have talked about allowing older patients to die when there aren’t enough beds, so they can give their beds to younger patients who have a better chance of survival. This is a level of chaos that we never see with seasonal flu, or at least haven’t since 1918. So get your facts straight before commenting, please.

"and has a much higher fatality rate than seasonal flu. "

No one has enough data yet to make that call.

I think the number of people that have it is vastly under-reported. They think they have a cold or the flu and they ride it out and they are done. If I get it or think I get it...basically get sick, I will stay home until I I am better and then go back to work. I have zero desire to go to a hospital unless I am seriously sick.

 

[PickUrPoison]

You're right, it's not like the flu, it's actually more like a cold. Get over it people. Practice good hygiene. That's it.

So that’s why Italy is overrun with patients dying of pneumonia and the entire country is in quarantine?

Stop with the foolish statements. You are not an epidemiologist, infectious disease expert, public health official or a doctor. You know nothing about the risks of this disease, otherwise you wouldn’t be spouting such BS.

And stop listening to whatever idiot is telling you the crap you apparently believe, and are recklessly spreading.

 

[seadragon]

Didn't know we had so many doctors on this site.

Doctors use Apple products too.

 

[unobtainium]

Sorry, it's barely more threatening than the common cold.

This is so typical of all kinds of science denial. Other poster cites reams of evidence, cites the WHO, CDC, etc. You respond by simply restating your initial incorrect premise lol.
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"and has a much higher fatality rate than seasonal flu. "

No one has enough data yet to make that call.

I think the number of people that have it is vastly under-reported. They think they have a cold or the flu and they ride it out and they are done. If I get it or think I get it...basically get sick, I will stay home until I I am better and then go back to work. I have zero desire to go to a hospital unless I am seriously sick.

All you have to do is look at Italy right now. With a 15-20% hospitalization rate estimated by multiple medical authorities, there is no capacity to meet the demand. Italian hospitals are in chaos. They are about a week or two ahead of Seattle’s current situation.

 

[TheMacDaddy1]

So that’s why Italy is overrun with patients dying of pneumonia and the entire country is in quarantine?

Stop with the foolish statements. You are not an epidemiologist, infectious disease expert, public health official or a doctor. You know nothing about the risks of this disease, otherwise you wouldn’t be spouting such BS.

And stop listening to whatever idiot is telling you the crap you apparently believe, and are recklessly spreading.

Are you an infectious disease expert? Maybe take a moment to read about why Italy is having such a bad time.

Why has Italy been hit so hard by coronavirus?

ITALY has been the worst-affected country in Europe by the outbreak of coronavirus, with over 53,578, cases recorded and 4,825 deaths. The death toll by 793 in 24 hours to reach the staggering new …

www.thesun.co.uk

"coronavirus has affected Italy so badly is that they have an ageing population, with Galli explaining: “Italy is a country of old people "

“Our life expectancy is among the highest in the world. But unfortunately, in a situation like this, old people are more at risk of a serious outcome.”
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This is so typical of all kinds of science denial. Other poster cites reams of evidence, cites the WHO, CDC, etc. You respond by simply restating your initial incorrect premise lol.
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All you have to do is look at Italy right now. With a 15-20% hospitalization rate estimated by multiple medical authorities, there is no capacity to meet the demand. Italian hospitals are in chaos. They are about a week or two ahead of Seattle’s current situation.

No actually I don't. Reasons why the death rate in Italy will come out in the end. It is already being stated that they have a lot of older people per-capita and one of the highest life expediencies of any country. Right now that is NOT a good thing for them.

 

[Mw0103]

I think the number of people that have it is vastly under-reported.

That’s nice. And you have no data to support that thought. If you believe decisions shouldn’t be made based on mortality rate because of lack of data, then decisions shouldn’t be based on unreported cases either—because of lack of data.

Big problem with your line of thought: we may never know unreported cases (of both recoveries AND deaths). There is no such thing as perfect data. So we go with what’s available. And right now, the data that’s available suggests taking extreme measures to slow the spread of this virus to moderate the effects on our healthcare system.

 

[smirking]

The WHO has no idea honestly. How many people have NOT been tested? If you could test everyone right now in the US I bet you add 100,000 people that have it right now. Then the mortality rate number drops drastically.

You are right, but the mortality rate isn't going to fall drastically enough. The WHO studied this possibility and they don't believe there are armies of the uncounted in the countries that were trying to count everyone.

The WHO's Joint China Mission Report outlines the kind of measures China enacted to get things under control.

They did very aggressive contact tracing. They deployed over 9000 epidemiologists to track down every single person who was a close contact of anyone who had tested postitive for Covid 19 to bring them in to get tested as well.

Essentially they setup a high tech dragnet of people, checkpoints, drones, big data, and dystopian tracking tools. Through their dragnet they were able to identify just about everyone they were interested in and bring them in to be tested and then repeat the process all over again if any of them tested positive.

The WHO concluded that China's methodology meant that it's not likely that there's a large bubble of asymptomatic carriers out there who are infected, but don't know it (at least not in China or any other country that's using aggressive diagnostic measures). They found that truly asymptomatic carriers were very rare. Most of the ones believed to be asymptomatic were actually minimally symptomatic or were about to become symptomatic.

 

[Tor Eckman]

Influenza kills 0.1% of people who contract it. COVID-19 kills 2-3% or more. And yes, it "targets" people in their later years, so young people can just ignore the threat, right? Sure, if you don't care about your parents/grandparents...

How many people would die from the flu if they didn't get vaccinated? The number might be higher than corona considering nearly half the country gets a flu shot. If you compare corona mortality, which is likely closer to 1 percent TOP DOC: Virus 10 TIMES more lethal than flu... and this is with no vaccine. In other words, for most people corona is probably no more dangerous than season flu, perhaps less. This will play out in another six weeks and by next season there will be vaccines. Lot's of politics and agenda all around making hay on this one... This is what the media has reduced us to: https://nypost.com/2020/03/08/women...during-coronavirus-panic-buying-in-australia/