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well the no ethernet and no FW800 are dealbreakers for me.
I really dont get why they have 2TB ports AND HDMI but not these regular ports?
I guess in Cupertino they think it is more common that folks will hook up to two external monitors rather than an ethernet patch cable.

I am guessing because it is no longer 2002.
 
Does anyone know if you can turn the HiDPI mode off? I know you would need a magnifying glass for UI elements, but it could possibly be cool for a few use case scenarios, none of which I can think of now except for the cool factor of seeing a desktop that expansive :)

You can run 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 non-native resolution. So that would mean non retina mode so more screen estate, and we'd have to wait and see what that actually looks like.
 
I wonder what Windows would make of this if you installed it on one. Would be amazing to have that resolution, although Microsoft did say Windows 8 would support Retina displays and promised "they're coming".

Looks like other companies are still waiting for Windows 8 to launch before they ship Retina screens.
 
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I think they will eventually, it just isn't happening this year. Maybe the next refresh? Like I said to another poster, I doubt current Intel integrated graphics can handle the resolution, and there isn't space in the 13" model for discrete graphics.

This is an odd statement. There is plenty of room for discrete graphics in the 13. They take out the optical drive which is way bigger than a graphics chip. The problem isnt that the problem is two things, first the 15" was already so overpriced they could make it without it being sold at poor margins, the 13" is more reasonable so the premium for retina would have been so much people would be unlikely to pay it until the price comes down on the panels and second the battery life is unacceptable which is why they didnt do it, the battery on the 15" is way bigger than the old one and there would be no room for a battery that size in the 13". That is also why anyone who thought the air was getting retina was on crack.
 
Revolution first, evolution later.

I'll wait for the minor spec bump prior to purchasing one. Also, let all the kinks be worked out first. Same thing I did with the 11' air (edit, not with the iphone 4 though).

Just my $3000,00

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A hands on is in order though when available
 
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You can run 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 non-native resolution. So that would mean non retina mode so more screen estate, and we'd have to wait and see what that actually looks like.


How would we do that exactly? Where would the option to do that be? I'm interested in this model if your suggestion would work out, however, if not, working on a native 1440x900 would simply piss me off, as it does on the iPad 3 with its native 768x1024
 
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I hope pixel doubling apps doesnt make them look as horrible as it did on the ipad. Also the apps on the retina ipad were far bigger, wonder if it was really wise to go retina and therefore make bigger apps and simultaneously decrease storage due to using an ssd
 
Some still use them, for you and me it maybe dead. But cant really speak for all professionals, but clearly some still want them.

Personally, I've never used my optical drive on my 1yr old MBP, so i hear ya.

Well if they are really professionals they already know they eventually have to migrate to new technologies and can't just sit around demanding new devices supporting out dated technology instead.

Doesn't really sound like an argument a PRO would make. Maybe a POR or a wannabe. In 2012 complaining this device with its inputs is lacking because of no Ethernet and esata is not pro at all.
 
Don't get me wrong, I have been waiting for this refresh, but a couple of things bother me.
What does this mean? It may mean that the Non-Retina MacBook Pro will only exist for one revision (Notice DVD already gone).

You are most likely correct about the last generation...however the DVD does appear to still be present in both sizes.
 
You can run 1680x1050 and 1920x1200 non-native resolution. So that would mean non retina mode so more screen estate, and we'd have to wait and see what that actually looks like.
It's not likely to look very good. It never has on any previous LCD monitor when using a non-native resolution. Besides, if you do that you are not getting the benefit of retina, so why even bother with retina in the first place?
 
I wonder what Windows would make of this if you installed it on one. Would be amazing to have that resolution, although Microsoft did say Windows 8 would support Retina displays and promised "they're coming".

Looks like other companies are still waiting for Windows 8 to launch before they ship Retina screens.

Vista/7 would support retina quality high DPI screens. Windows has been resolution independent for about forever now, and gives you the option to scale the UI to whatever size you want.

The only problem with it would be 3rd party apps that use bitmaps instead of vectors for their icons. They'd end up looking a little chunkity at higher DPI settings.
 
More I look at it, more sold I am on the Retina Book Pro.

The optical drive on my 2006 MBP (still using....) broke in 2008 and I haven't missed it one bit. Optical bay would be nice for extra storage, but for anyone who is going to blow past 512/768 (like me), you're going to end up with external hard drives sooner or later, and a 1TB optibay, though definitely convenient, won't help avoid the problem.

My _guess_ is that the RAM/SSD _isn't_ soldered on/permanently wedged in, because that would be, uh, ridiculous, and add an utterly unnecessary step to the production process. Of course Apple isn't going to broadcast that you can make the upgrades yourself when they can nail you for $200+ right away. Never have, never will.

Oh, and until they make a thunderbolt television (......) HDMI is an absolutely great addition.
 
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Let me get this straight

There's a 11 and 13 inch Macbook Pro

A 15 inch Macbook Pro that's different from the 11 and 13 inch macbook Pros
plus a next generation 15 inch macbook pro that's different from the regular 15 inch macbook pro.

Ya kidding me, Apple? You couldn't keep the ibook name or come up with something else or stick with just macbook? You couldn't find another name for the 'next generation' Macbook Pro?

Bizarre
 
And how many business meetings or lectures do you go to where the presenter hooks into a TV set?

A few, actually. Then, lots of newer HD capable projectors have HDMI (or how's the boss going to watch his Bluray discs?). Or if your in a hotel room, you can plug into the telly and watch movies.

Sure, you'll still need to carry a Mini-DP-to-VGA dongle, just as you have for the last N generations of MacBooks, but if HDMI is available you'll get better resolutions.

Then there's people editing video, who quite often hook up a TV to preview their work on... a TV.

Then there's all the monitors with HDMI in, including 2650x1440 ones (e.g. from Dell) which would otherwise need the Mini-DP to Dual Link DVI adapter, rather than the regular one.
 
Fantastic for including the retina, but there is no matte option. The live blog mentioned the screen had been made less reflective, but by how much?

Matte retina display is an oxymoron. The matte finish adds fuzziness, which Apple will never do.
 
There's a 11 and 13 inch Macbook Pro

A 15 inch Macbook Pro that's different from the 11 and 13 inch macbook Pros
plus a next generation 15 inch macbook pro that's different from the regular 15 inch macbook pro.

Ya kidding me, Apple? You couldn't keep the ibook name or come up with something else or stick with just macbook? You couldn't find another name for the 'next generation' Macbook Pro?

Bizarre

Maybe Macbook Prair pronounced as Macbook Prayer?

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next gen computer with outdated WiFi, should've had AC.

At first I thought you meant Air Conditioning
 
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1) After faulty retina display I got on iPad no way I buy Retina macbook
2) Burning heat
3) Expensive

To be honest, I don't mind the price if the Retina is perfect and laptop is cold. If they can do that then ok.... plus I think its too much money for a computer that has hard time running recent games...at least that is how Apple always shipped their computers. Weak graphic cards
 
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