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Exactly. But, Apple is clearly moving towards what large base of their consumers want. Most of the people that will end up buying this will just use it for everyday use, games, movies, browsing, etc.

But, by removing the Ethernet port and the optical drive, they are hurting the professionals that need that extra internet speed and optical drive for old projects or whatever they may have saved.

I'm not a professional but I can understand the frustration that some have with this new design.

Dude, it's insanely easy to move things to USB drives.

CDs are dead. It's a good thing.
 
Which is ridiculous. Planned obsolescence at its finest.

My current MacBook Pro is from 2007. Yes, five years old and still holding on. I've upgraded the stock RAM and replaced the stock 120 GB hard drive with a 750 GB one -- if I couldn't have done that, then I would probably have gotten frustrated and sold the laptop two or three years ago. Obviously that's exactly what Apple wants.

"Way back when", one used to be able to marvel at how long a Mac would last compared to its Wintel counterparts. I guess Apple realized that wasn't making them money.

I am confused. 5 years of use is too short? And is it broken now and doesn't work anymore to do whatever you were doing this morning before the keynote??
 
Points if you heard the iPhone Tweet sound.

Who else cringed when Tim turned the laptop around on top of the other?
 
But, by removing the Ethernet port and the optical drive, they are hurting the professionals that need that extra internet speed and optical drive for old projects or whatever they may have saved.

You know there's the Thunderbolt to Ethernet adapter? Should work fine I think, probably no bottlenecks as USB to Ethernet adapter (at list with USB 2).
 
I agree very much that the pricing is too up there for this 15" macbook pro.

I'm using a 2007 MacBook Pro 17" with an antiglare display with max res of 1680x1050.

For my line of work going to a 15" with only 1440x900 workspace would make my work uncomfortable.

I don't think these new macbook pros are meant for photographers and and graphic designers.

If I were to get a new macbook pro it would have to be from Apple's refurbished list where the 17" is still there, or try ebay. I liked the 1920x1200 res those 17" provided.

Bad apple.

exactly, you have to be insane to pay 2200 and get no extra workspace - I'm keeping my 17 inch under lock and key.
 
Wow. How come battery life isn't increasing for any of the models? We have HP offering close to 9 hours on a single charge. :| that's my main concern and I'd gladly give up the retina screen for a 10 hour battery life. My 2009 white MacBook still holds at 6.30. That's 2009.
 
Edit: Because there are crap tons of morons on this site, why would Apple introduce HDMI on this macbook? Obviously it connects to TV's, I know 3 year olds who could have come up with a more clever response. Why HDMI and not Firewire or Mini DVI, is using an adapter too complicated now?
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Because almost every other computer monitor in existance that isnt an Apple Display has HDMI.

Mini DVI isn't as common as HDMI. This allows you a tonne more options to connect to external devices without the need for more adapters. But thanks for insulting everybody who doesn't agree with you.

won't the basic "internet" as in the average website look like crap on such a resolution?

just wondering, i have no idea

The images like Website logos and thumbnails on the web will, but the text will look stunning.
 
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Dude, it's insanely easy to move things to USB drives.

CDs are dead. It's a good thing.

Some still use them, for you and me it maybe dead. But cant really speak for all professionals, but clearly some still want them.

Personally, I've never used my optical drive on my 1yr old MBP, so i hear ya.
 
Wow. How come battery life isn't increasing for any of the models? We have HP offering close to 9 hours on a single charge. :| that's my main concern and I'd gladly give up the retina screen for a 10 hour battery life. My 2009 white MacBook still holds at 6.30. That's 2009.

Correction. HP is claiming 9 hours. I hear you though.
 
Expect used 17" MPB price to go up.

Good, my mom has one!

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Some still use them, for you and me it maybe dead. But cant really speak for all professionals, but clearly some still want them.

Personally, I've never used my optical drive on my 1yr old MBP, so i hear ya.

CDs are useless, but DVDs are good. They're cheap and can hold 4.7GB. Rewritable DVDs cost $1 each if you buy them in a pack.
 
Neat-o.

But my concern lies in real-world use battery life. Pure Internet usage doesn't count well towards average battery life if you end up using graphic heavy applications.

All those pixels cost something to push.

It's a real shame they didn't transfer some of those "advances" to the regular MBPs... I mean seriously, a new fan, thinner body, etc would be sweet. Valid marketing tactic though -- you want improvements beyond a better display, buy the new device.

Still think the only difference between the two should have been the display resolution though.
 
Wow. How come battery life isn't increasing for any of the models? We have HP offering close to 9 hours on a single charge. :| that's my main concern and I'd gladly give up the retina screen for a 10 hour battery life. My 2009 white MacBook still holds at 6.30. That's 2009.

Oh please, do not mention that crap HP Mini 1104. It's 10% crap hardware and 90% battery. There is a reason why that puny little machine can go for 9-hours (supposedly)
 
My 17" MBP still lives. Late 2009 to mid 2013. It can handle it.

Let's see what this looks like when they're ready to discontinue the classic MBP and they've worked out all the kinks.
 
Is it just me - or does this thing have no Kensington lock?

If not - that is crazy.

No it doesn't. And I personally wouldn't trust a Kensington lock with a $2.500 laptop. It might be sufficient to secure a mid-priced laptop during a bathroom break in the library, but a high-end notebook that is easily identified as one best stays close to you at all time or at least safely locked away.
 
Because almost every other computer monitor in existance that isnt an Apple Display has HDMI.

Mini DVI isn't as common as HDMI. This allows you a tonne more options to connect to external devices without the need for more adapters. But thanks for insulting everybody who doesn't agree with you.

I think perhaps he more-so meant to push other display standards like TB or DP. To be honest, I think display port is better video-only protocol.
 
No 11" or 13" retina?

I don't get it. No 11" or 13" MacBook Pro nor 11" or 13" MacBookAir even with an upgrade to a Retina screen? For those of us that travel, Apple has left us out of the loop. We new are forced to keep our old Mac's, buy a Mac that is to large and cumbersome to carry for months on end and 10,000's of thousands miles ... or consider stepping away from Apple totally. :(
 
So the two ivy bridge variants of the new MacBook are: i7-3610qm @ 2.3Ghz and i7-3820qm @ 2.7Ghz, they want another £500 for the latter and and extra 256GB SSD. I think I'll be going for the £1800 model.

According to passmark there is about 1300 points difference between the two CPUs, not enough to warrant another £500 IMO.

They could of chucked in a gt 670m for a bit better gaming performance, I wonder how well Diablo III runs at native res with the gt 650m, that's another thing, as the screen resolution is now a lot higher than 1080p the little 650m won't drive most games at native resolution very well and will need to dropped down to about 1366x768 on some demanding games to run fluently, it's going to make me feel sick dropping resolutions that low lol.

Still, can't wait to order it!
 
would anyone buy the non-retina over this even if it's a few hundred cheaper? I don't see why anyone would.

I would. I am a graphic designer and I can't stand retina displays (yet). The content just isn't there yet... I don't want upscaled mushy low-res web graphics, just because my screen has more pixels and needs to make them larger to be the same size as on a normal res screen :/

EDIT: The only way that could be solves is if the scaling on the retina display is so good, that it beats having the 1680x1050 HiRes option on the "old" one. On the iPad 3 it's an unsolvable problem, since you can't change the screen resolution :/
 
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It looks awesome but £2,000, it's a pity he scratched the ***** out of the one below, may have been a good second hand buy

LOL, I was thinking exactly the same thing. I was wincing like I was watching somebody get kicked in the nads every time he "scraaapppped" those two Macs against each other. What a dufus!
 
SSD + RAM soldered on

Just to confirm, flash memory and RAM are both soldered on in the new retina MBP, so forget DIY upgrades post purchase.

It seemed pretty obvious from looking at the components in the videos. Had it confirmed from Apple online in a chat conversation.

It's a bit annoying they don't make it absolutely clear from the configuration pages in the store.
 
Wow. How come battery life isn't increasing for any of the models? We have HP offering close to 9 hours on a single charge. :| that's my main concern and I'd gladly give up the retina screen for a 10 hour battery life. My 2009 white MacBook still holds at 6.30. That's 2009.

Have you actually *seen* an HP last 9 hours?
 
How many seconds to 100° C?

My MacBook is hitting 5 years old. I am going to need to find a replacement from someone. I will keep the MacBook just to use Pages and Keynote '06 and as a file server. Still, no one deserves my money.

No mac pro update + this :mad:. It wouldn't be the first time Apple had genuine heat problems. Look at their discussion boards. People would try to transcode on them. Many found that even plugged into the wall, it would drain their batteries. I still want the computer to be capable of going all out.

My Macbook has burned me. Over on Notebookcheck they do thermals at idle and load for the upper/lower case. Some notebooks are scarier though!

They are using the 45W quad cores too! Yikes!

Yar... Apple has burned me many times. Which ones were scarier?

Can someone please explain the HDMI out? To me it makes almost no sense.

Edit: Because there are crap tons of morons on this site, why would Apple introduce HDMI on this macbook? Obviously it connects to TV's, I know 3 year olds who could have come up with a more clever response. Why HDMI and not Firewire or Mini DVI, is using an adapter too complicated now?

Second Edit: Your Retina Macbook Pro will have MORE pixels than your HD Tv, by a long shot, so why would I want less pixels and a (Much) larger screen? Convenience of hook up is not a reason either, by now you probably own a slew of adapters and cable options to connect your Mac to a HDTV.

It is possibly for the TV thing and streaming through the Apple TV box. I realize that the computer has more pixels, but the new pixel count is higher than the content resolution anyway. You'd still get to view it on a larger display, and this allows you to watch it with others. Crowding around a laptop would not be fun. If they went the mini displayport route instead given that thunderbolt chips only support two ports last time I checked, some people would get confused.


The old MBP is far better value. For $2100 you get everything on the $2700 Retina with the exception of an SSD and Retina display. Plus more ports, more hard drive storage space and an optical drive.

You pay $600 more for less hardware everywhere else but more pixels.

You know what annoys me. They went cheap on vram. Adobe's applications suggest 1GB of vram. Many games suggest this too. This shouldn't be an issue on a device that was just updated for the year. At this price range with a new device, these things should not be cutting it so close.
 
But, by removing the Ethernet port and the optical drive, they are hurting the professionals that need that extra internet speed and optical drive for old projects or whatever they may have saved.

I'm a designer at a media production company - I have yet to use my optical drive this year. I use WiFi instead of plugging-in at the office.

By my yardstick, professionals aren't hurt by these decisions.
 
well the no ethernet and no FW800 are dealbreakers for me.
I really dont get why they have 2TB ports AND HDMI but not these regular ports?

It's to get the new thickness. If you look at your existing unibody MBP you'll see that there's already hardly any spare aluminium above & below these ports.
 
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I don't need it today, but I'm coming up on needing a replacement for my 13 inch. I was looking forward to seeing what that would look like. If I get the new one (thereby having to get the 15), it's a thousand dollar difference to upgrade, since I'd get the 13 inch otherwise. Not going to happen. Not a minor price difference. Sad.
 
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