Ah yes the warrany thing. So EU VAT and EU warrany laws explain pretty much the entire difference in price?
The prices were bloated even before the warranty thing.
Now, they are even more.
Ah yes the warrany thing. So EU VAT and EU warrany laws explain pretty much the entire difference in price?
Good move. The 8 year olds are going to get a lot of use out of that 32 gigs of RAM and fusion drive.
The IPS panels are the same as in last year's iMacs...
It's not you. It's common sense, and exactly why Apple has _not_ entertained the idea of a touch-screen computer. That said, as people use touch more on tablets and phones, the expectation to touch the screen on regular computers is growing. I've even found myself trying to interact with the screen on my laptop only to realize that I wasn't using my iPad. hahaha
Macs will eventually have a touch-screen monitor, simply to stay in line with consumer expectations, but the time is not right just yet.
Actually, youd be surprised how few of us CG-artists are actually using Wacom Cintiq devices as shown in your photograph. Many like the idea of using a Cintiq/Touch screen, its true, but they rarely live up to artists' expectations. Problems most commonly experienced are:
Cursor lag (onscreen feedback is unable to keep up with quick gestural strokes).
Cursor misalignment (the onscreen cursor is not precisely aligned beneath the tip of the stylus, especially in the corners of the tablet).
Heat radiated by the display makes long drawing sessions uncomfortable.
Poor display quality. Narrow colour gamut, inability to be properly colour calibrated, etc.
No driver support under Linux.
Uncomfortable surface grip. Painting on a display front made of glass (or some other highly smooth surface), with a plastic tipped stylus is slippery and not particularly pleasant.
Uncomfortable to use in combination with a keyboard that offers hotkeys, marking menus, pie-menus, hotboxes, etc. Using one with a 3D application, while certainly possible, is often experienced as awkward and limiting. The Cintiqs have a few controls on the side that the user can program to function as hotkeys. And that works kind of. I cant see Apple designing a Touchscreen/Stylus Mac with controls like that on the side.
Now these problems may eventually be eradicated by better hardware and designs but there are other problems that are harder, maybe impossible to solve, like:
Ergonomics. Its hardly the best posture to maintain for 9-10 hours a day.
Dirt/grease on the screen. Youd be surprised how often Ive mistaken a grease smear on my display for a very light grey brush stroke on a white canvas in Photoshop.
A touch screen would have to have a coating with low porosity to make sure it cleans properly. Matte coatings are problematic here. So this poses a problem with reflections of ceiling mounted lighting on that glossy surface, which after all needs to be orientated more or less horizontally to avoid further fatigue. Working on dark/black canvasses in such a situation would be horrendous. Forget about drawing anything subtle in shadows and expect it to come out correctly.
Hands are in the way of the artwork. And this is a big one. Lots of artists dont want to go back to having their own hands obscure the piece as they are working. Having a regular Wacom tablet in front of a normal display is actually favored by most, myself included. One hand on the tablet, holding the stylus, the other on the keyboard controlling hotkeys.
There are exceptions of course. Search and you will find artists that love their Cintiqs and would never go back to more, shall we say, conservative input devices.But they are in the vast minority, despite Cintiqs having already been out there for quite a few years.
Im not saying things wont ever change, just telling you what the current lay of the land is as I far as I can see.
Can the RAM on the 21.5 version be upgraded too, like this one?
Purchased 3 fully loaded iMacs. 1 27 for me and 2 21 inchers for my 8 year old twin daughters (they hate sharing).
Do some research before posting. It may be an 'M' chip, but it is a full GTX680 chip, just lower clocked.
maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem too ergonomic to have a touchscreen for a desktop. a tablet.. yes.. but desktop my arms would have to keep hovering in the air frequently to do tasks if i were to really forego the traditional keyboard/mouse
That is the entire premise of windows 8, touch for the sake of itself. Not because you need it, or because its the right tool for the job, rather because it's touch and that's awesome, ignore that it makes simple tasks on a traditional computer less intuitive and more time consuming.
It's not you. It's common sense, and exactly why Apple has _not_ entertained the idea of a touch-screen computer. That said, as people use touch more on tablets and phones, the expectation to touch the screen on regular computers is growing. I've even found myself trying to interact with the screen on my laptop only to realize that I wasn't using my iPad. hahaha
Macs will eventually have a touch-screen monitor, simply to stay in line with consumer expectations, but the time is not right just yet.
Touchscreen on a desktop is possibly one of the dumbest ideas ever. No one wants to be lifting their arms at work for hours on end. Talk about soreness and muscle fatigue! It's a novelty gimick only. Its in no way practical. Mouse is still the fastest interface with current OSs and screen positioning. The only way touch screen is practice is when the screen is in your hands or near your hands like on a flat surface directly in front of you. Then you have a head down position which will cause even more back and neck problems.
It's not practical.
That is the entire premise of windows 8, touch for the sake of itself. Not because you need it, or because its the right tool for the job, rather because it's touch and that's awesome, ignore that it makes simple tasks on a traditional computer less intuitive and more time consuming.
It's not you. It's common sense, and exactly why Apple has _not_ entertained the idea of a touch-screen computer. That said, as people use touch more on tablets and phones, the expectation to touch the screen on regular computers is growing. I've even found myself trying to interact with the screen on my laptop only to realize that I wasn't using my iPad. hahaha Macs will eventually have a touch-screen monitor, simply to stay in line with consumer expectations, but the time is not right just yet.
Purchased 3 fully loaded iMacs. 1 27 for me and 2 21 inchers for my 8 year old twin daughters (they hate sharing).
maybe it's just me, but it doesn't seem too ergonomic to have a touchscreen for a desktop. a tablet.. yes.. but desktop my arms would have to keep hovering in the air frequently to do tasks if i were to really forego the traditional keyboard/mouse
That is the entire premise of windows 8, touch for the sake of itself. Not because you need it, or because its the right tool for the job, rather because it's touch and that's awesome, ignore that it makes simple tasks on a traditional computer less intuitive and more time consuming.
No mention of the RAM or upgrade pricing? I'd say some folks are drinking the coolaid.
Purchased 3 fully loaded iMacs. 1 27 for me and 2 21 inchers for my 8 year old twin daughters (they hate sharing).
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...which is the second time I've posted this picture today, in response to the same tired argument.
Most people griping about monkey arms or whatever are only doing so because Steve Jobs said something back in the day, and now they're regurgitating it nonstop in an attempt to look smart.
You know, he was right...when it comes to vertically standing monitors. But for screens you can slide right in front of you and tilt back? There's no reason not to have them touch enabled. They'll be as comfortable to use as an iPad.
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...which is the second time I've posted this picture today, in response to the same tired argument.
Most people griping about monkey arms or whatever are only doing so because Steve Jobs said something back in the day, and now they're regurgitating it nonstop in an attempt to look smart.
You know, he was right...when it comes to vertically standing monitors. But for screens you can slide right in front of you and tilt back? There's no reason not to have them touch enabled. They'll be as comfortable to use as an iPad.
I also believe that iMacs of the future, several years down the line, to be sure, may very well be horizontal, as in -flat on your desk- horizontal, with perhaps a slight slant; and then Touchscreens will be very practical indeed. Until then, I suspect a mouse or trackpad will probably serve most people better.
Better still I got an upgrade to 16Gb for $0 just by asking, all I had to do was get Apple Care now and not wait 11 months.
For most 16Gb will be more than enough for the next 3-4 years or longer.
Forgive me for continuing off topic for a moment.... but if you do 3d animation, I can see Cintiqs as not an ideal solution- not surprising. However, for people that are drawing all day, Cintiqs are the ultimate choice at many 2d animation and design studios. At every studio I've been at in the last four years or so, artists are nearly fighting for available Cintiqs. About the only ones that don't still prefer drawing on paper. Hand eye coordination is much easier when your hand is in full view.... not with our arms out of the field of view. Not surprising- humans have drawn for thousands of years that way.
The studio I'm working with, earlier this week took delivery of 10 brand new 24" cintiqs (leased). Never seen a bunch of happier artists. Beautiful machines. The studios know its an investment that will pay off with more productivity, faster pipelines and better quality draftsmanship. They all will pay for themselves.
I would love to see what Apple would come up with......
I even get a little frustrated with my iPad when it gets too greasy from fingerprints. I think I would have a seizure if my main display was constantly covered in fingerprints.
Steve Jobs got a lot of stuff right and for that I will be eternally grateful.
But he got stuff wrong too. No one is infallible, and while I really like the look of this iMac, the dell machine has a lot going for it.
Or this...
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...which is the second time I've posted this picture today, in response to the same tired argument.
Most people griping about monkey arms or whatever are only doing so because Steve Jobs said something back in the day, and now they're regurgitating it nonstop in an attempt to look smart.
You know, he was right...when it comes to vertically standing monitors. But for screens you can slide right in front of you and tilt back? There's no reason not to have them touch enabled. They'll be as comfortable to use as an iPad.