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Actually, you’d be surprised how few of us CG-artists are actually using Wacom Cintiq devices as shown in your photograph. Many like the idea of using a Cintiq/Touch screen, it’s true, but they rarely live up to artists' expectations. Problems most commonly experienced are:
•Cursor lag (onscreen feedback is unable to keep up with quick gestural strokes).
•Cursor misalignment (the onscreen cursor is not precisely aligned beneath the tip of the stylus, especially in the corners of the tablet).
•Heat radiated by the display makes long drawing sessions uncomfortable.
•Poor display quality. Narrow colour gamut, inability to be properly colour calibrated, etc.
•No driver support under Linux.
•Uncomfortable surface grip. “Painting” on a display front made of glass (or some other highly smooth surface), with a plastic tipped stylus is slippery and not particularly pleasant.
•Uncomfortable to use in combination with a keyboard that offers hotkeys, marking menus, pie-menus, hotboxes, etc. Using one with a 3D application, while certainly possible, is often experienced as awkward and limiting. The Cintiqs have a few controls on the side that the user can program to function as hotkeys. And that works… kind of. I can’t see Apple designing a Touchscreen/Stylus Mac with controls like that on the side.

Now these problems may eventually be eradicated by better hardware and designs but there are other problems that are harder, maybe impossible to solve, like:
•Ergonomics. It’s hardly the best posture to maintain for 9-10 hours a day.
•Dirt/grease on the screen. You’d be surprised how often I’ve mistaken a grease smear on my display for a very light grey brush stroke on a white canvas in Photoshop.
•A touch screen would have to have a coating with low porosity to make sure it cleans properly. Matte coatings are problematic here. So this poses a problem with reflections of ceiling mounted lighting on that glossy surface, which after all needs to be orientated more or less horizontally to avoid further fatigue. Working on dark/black canvasses in such a situation would be horrendous. Forget about drawing anything subtle in shadows and expect it to come out correctly.
•Hands are in the way of the artwork. And this is a big one. Lots of artists don’t want to go back to having their own hands obscure the piece as they are working. Having a regular Wacom tablet in front of a normal display is actually favored by most, myself included. One hand on the tablet, holding the stylus, the other on the keyboard controlling hotkeys.

There are exceptions of course. Search and you will find artists that love their Cintiqs and would never go back to more, shall we say, conservative input devices. :) But they are in the vast minority, despite Cintiqs having already been out there for quite a few years.


I’m not saying things won’t ever change, just telling you what the current lay of the land is as I far as I can see.

I use an Intuos4 by the same company and it works fine for me. However, the Cintiqs are growing in extreme popularity (there are at least 2 or 3 models of them now in different sizes and features), even though they are VERY expensive.

For the most part, digital illustrators love them to death and I see it all the time in conceptart.org or in digital art magazines. I don't think I would want the Touch screen version of the Cintiq but a standard Cintiq would do the job well enough.

I can see why glare could be an issue due to the glass but that depends on HOW they adjust the levers away from the light. I don't know about your studio/firm but they need some kind of shroud to block incoming light to glare off. LaCie did that with their infamous CRTs over ten years as I remember it.

I love my Intuos4 because the shortkeys on the side and can use the Macro button to do tighter line art in large strokes. Very, very handy. I don't see how Apple can truly do a pressure sensitive iPad because if they want to do something like this for creative professionals, they're gonna have to have a licensing agreement with Wacom to do it.

And if they did that, the iPad will have to go back to being thick in size, or they will have to design their own pressure sensitive pen. And this is a reason why Cintiqs are expensive due to the large scale size of it and components involved for industrial strength quality (if only they can solve the shortened nib problem first that eats away from the surface).
 
Purchased 3 fully loaded iMacs. 1 27 for me and 2 21 inchers for my 8 year old twin daughters (they hate sharing).

Your 8-year-old daughters are very lucky indeed, although I doubt they'll be able to appreciate the gifts!

I worked McDonalds whilst at school to buy my first computer - a second-hand G3 for about £70. I appreciated every second with that beauty!
 
No. The 21.5 is limited to the RAM you buy it with and can never be upgraded.

Not sure if serious....

I mean it looks like serious work getting the display off, not to mention the high risk of damaging something whilst opening the imac, but the ram is industry standard ddr3 sodimms. OTOH MBA and rMBP have the ram soldered into the logic board and are hopelessly un- upgradeable
 
The poster said "design level" graphics card, not a gaming card. A good gaming card is not a good choice for running Maya or Vue. And a card that makes for good productivity with Maya or Vue (often) sucks for gaming.

Ah, must've missed that.

Generally speaking, the only difference between a Geforce and a Quatro is 10BPP color output and a goodly bit more VRAM. These are things only bleeding edge high end production level studios will ever find a need for. Everyone else? They'll never come close to pushing a Geforce to the point they absolutely require a Quatro.
 
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Display is not height adjustable.

It looks nice.

Remember this display is not height adjustable.
I know with the Cinema display, that's a real pain in the Ass.
If you want to raise the display you can use books.
But, to lower it? No Option.
 
It is just an annoying non-pro machine, looking sick as good old Mr S, there at the end.

A new computer again from Mac. The iMac.

With no option for similar sized internal hard-drives.

With Thunderbolt / Thunderfail prices that is only for a republican price.

USB3 is already a little bit dead and not good enough. Why does not more people critize this low-spec mania with APPLE ????
 
Or this...

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...which is the second time I've posted this picture today, in response to the same tired argument.

Most people griping about monkey arms or whatever are only doing so because Steve Jobs said something back in the day, and now they're regurgitating it nonstop in an attempt to look smart.

You know, he was right...when it comes to vertically standing monitors. But for screens you can slide right in front of you and tilt back? There's no reason not to have them touch enabled. They'll be as comfortable to use as an iPad.

But notice hes resting his hands on the screen itself. With a capacitance screen it would totally mess up what hes doing.
 
It's called VAT. Blame your government.

It's called screwing the Europeans over because the Euro is stronger than the Dollar. US prices, even with VAT adjusted to the Belgian level, are still to high.
An iMac costs 1675 euros with 21% VAT in America, and 1900 in Belgium.
On top of that, we get NO refurbished macs at all, and don't have awesome discounts on sites like bestbuy. *snif*
 
I have to say, looking at that OWC offering with an eye on doing DIY upgrade on the 21.5" iMac, I got spooked by the applying heat to the perimeters of the screen to open it up...


Yeah. I'm very technical, and stuff like that gives me pause. Given the risk inherent with opening that machine up, and the fact that their memory with tools kit is $119, if I wanted 16GB of RAM in the 21.5" I would probably begrudgingly give Apple the $200 for the upgrade.

Doesn't matter for me, though. I would go 27", anyway. Besides, I already have a beautiful, maxxed out 2010 27", and a maxxed out 2011 27", and both of them are every bit as nice as this machine when I look at them from the front, which is how I use my desktop. I realize that if I bought this new iMac I would get lots of opportunity to see the beautiful, slim edges while I'm bending over the top of it like a gymnast, trying to get my SD card in and out of it to load my photos...:eek:
 
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It's called screwing the Europeans over because the Euro is stronger than the Dollar. US prices, even with VAT adjusted to the Belgian level, are still to high.
An iMac costs 1675 euros with 21% VAT in America, and 1900 in Belgium.
On top of that, we get NO refurbished macs at all, and don't have awesome discounts on sites like bestbuy. *snif*

I would call that the exchange rate. Add the higher taxes and transport costs it will increase the price. Apple adjusted its prices to reflect the exchange rate, Australian prices went down while British prices went up.
 
Or this...

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...which is the second time I've posted this picture today, in response to the same tired argument.

Most people griping about monkey arms or whatever are only doing so because Steve Jobs said something back in the day, and now they're regurgitating it nonstop in an attempt to look smart.

You know, he was right...when it comes to vertically standing monitors. But for screens you can slide right in front of you and tilt back? There's no reason not to have them touch enabled. They'll be as comfortable to use as an iPad.

It's not a tired argument. If I was doing work which required me to use the screen like a Wacom tablet, your scenario makes sense. But the rest of the time I'd rather sit back in my chair and not have to hover over something that would require a much lower desk or a higher chair.
 
It's not a tired argument. If I was doing work which required me to use the screen like a Wacom tablet, your scenario makes sense. But the rest of the time I'd rather sit back in my chair and not have to hover over something that would require a much lower desk or a higher chair.

In addition to that, anyone who has used the larger 21" or 24" Cintiq screens knows that although it's fantastic for drawing, it's also ergonomically slower to move the cursor all around a screen that size by stylus to activate menus etc. vs. a mouse. Very different from using the smaller Wacom tablet sizes. I find myself grabbing the mouse to move the cursor if I have to do much OS navigation outside of the drawing.
 
Yeah. I'm very technical, and stuff like that gives me pause. Given the risk inherent with opening that machine up, and the fact that their memory with tools kit is $119, if I wanted 16GB of RAM in the 21.5" I would probably begrudgingly give Apple the $200 for the upgrade.

Yea. hair raising. But the price of 3rd party kits will only go in one direction so if anyone is of a stronger constitution than me, wouldn't dissuade them
 
Nothing new , and only one Harddisk :(

Hi,

I am an old Apple customer from the times of Apple //e

well I am very disappointed at apple for their lack of researching what the customers want. they like to Force their choices on people.

For Example , the Lack of Second harddrive cage .. even a slim 7cm 2.5 inch ones ..

and add to that , if the Harddisk fails you will have to tear the system apart to replace it ... come on !

just put it accessable from behind just like the Ram is this VERY hard to do?

no ... and it is Frustrating. they just want to FORCE you to buy their SSD...

BAD MOVE ! APPLE.

did they manage to steal people money for that? big no all people opened their imacs and replaced their Harddisks , and added another one using the Optical drive bay , Sadly now we cant do that :( no more optical drive to use :(.

next comes the Graphic card ... APPLE WHERE ARE YOU FROM INNOVATION ?

let me explain ... there ARE 16x PCI Express CABELS !!! where is the PCIE 16X PORT ? who cares about a STUPID thunderbolt that works at PCIE 4x only ?

do you guys know that a PCIE 16X port needs no chip? it is just like a riser card. no additional cos at all. CRAZY ! just make standard PCIe 16x external port and NO COST and the CPU lanes take care of it !!!

Imagine a Graphic card box with powersupply that takes any VGA card sits beside the imac OPTIONAL. and make the imac smaller by keeping it on ivybridge HD4000 inside. it will run cooler also.

next the touch screen ... make the track PAD a 7 inch ips multi touch screen NOW. they are not expensive today. which works as a second screen .

where is the innovation APPLE ?

ofc the screen itself can be made touch screen too.

now the speakers ...

put a speaker to each corner and a center speaker and a subwoofer on the back. 4+1+1 surround imac is this too hard to do ?

and lastly ...

make every thing accessable ! Hard disk , RAM , Wifi board , Msata board.

if you do all those in new mac I will never buy a pc outside mac.
 
Or this...

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...which is the second time I've posted this picture today, in response to the same tired argument.

Most people griping about monkey arms or whatever are only doing so because Steve Jobs said something back in the day, and now they're regurgitating it nonstop in an attempt to look smart.

You know, he was right...when it comes to vertically standing monitors. But for screens you can slide right in front of you and tilt back? There's no reason not to have them touch enabled. They'll be as comfortable to use as an iPad.

Sure, and then you dolly back to pull out a keyboard to type and go forward to highlight a word on the screen to delete and back to the keyboard. Sure with a stand you can make a giant nonportable ipad for consumption, but why? I don't want to keep reconfiguring a desktop physically for a particular task. You notice most people don't choose to have their monitors on a slant for most tasks. I see a niche market for giant touchscreens, but not mainstream
 
Man, I must've made the single most quoted remark in the history of the forum. :p

I see a niche market for giant touchscreens, but not mainstream

It is. I can't think of many reasons why the average consumer would need a touchscreen larger than what we're already getting with the tablets. Everything I can think of is already done just as well with a keyboard/trackpad and mouse.

But throw a digitizer on it, and I'd love it. An AIO iMac style Cintiq would be pretty cool to me.
 
How did you get it for free by just asking? Nothing is free in this world :)

More or less, the store I went to has different offers to choose from as long as you get Apple Care at the same time.

So now I will have a new 27" iMac covered for 3 years and loaded with 16 Gb of RAM out of the box.

ETA - I don't get why some are complaining so much about the new iMac? No one is forcing you to buy it. The iMac has always been a consumer level computer that tried to push the limit of what consumers need. If you don't like the screen then get the Mini or save up and go Pro or try a Hackintosh.

The lack of a built in DVD is not bothering me, I might get a BluRay external later if the need calls or any number of 2rd party DVDs but in the mean time I'll just link to my old Mac and share it's DVD when/if needed. Most software is downloadable now and you don't have to use iTunes or the Apple store. Even Microsoft offers a download for Office if you don't have DVD access.

Fusion Drive is a great option and bridge between HDD and SSD, and the price of USB3 HDDs is so low now why would you what to crack open the iMac to put in a bigger HDD?

The graphics is on par with AIO PCs, you'll never get a full graphics card on any AIO PC or Mac, yes it's a compromise but again this is not an out and out professional computer, get a tower if you don't like it or want to play games. You'd be a fool if you got the iMac just to play games, buy a PC box or get a games console!

This will be my first iMac, I've always had towers from a 68k Mac back in the day to a G4 and currently G5 but I've never upgrades the G5s video card, ironically the most problems I've had is with the DVD, on it's 3rd drive in 5 years. So going external will same a lot of problem if I get one and it fails, just go and get another or have it replaced under warranty.

I've gone all out with the iMac getting the best graphics on the 27" with i7 and Fusion, it should be good for up to 5 years, by then Apple might have a touch screen iMac for us to play with.
 
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Touchscreen on a desktop is possibly one of the dumbest ideas ever. No one wants to be lifting their arms at work for hours on end. Talk about soreness and muscle fatigue! It's a novelty gimick only. Its in no way practical. Mouse is still the fastest interface with current OSs and screen positioning. The only way touch screen is practice is when the screen is in your hands or near your hands like on a flat surface directly in front of you. Then you have a head down position which will cause even more back and neck problems.

It's not practical.

Actually touch on a large screen is a lot more natural than you think. Its not meant to replace a mouse and keyboard but rather add to the overall experience. I can think of plenty of instances where touch on the screen would be helpful and make sense. Just because you may not have the imagination to come up with anything doesn't mean that there's no use for it. Jeez neck and back problems :rolleyes:
 
The poster said "design level" graphics card, not a gaming card. A good gaming card is not a good choice for running Maya or Vue. And a card that makes for good productivity with Maya or Vue (often) sucks for gaming.

This is exceptionally true for Maya, which is certified to only run on certain cards. IN the PC world they tend to only officially support expensive workstation class cards.

On the mac, Autodesk often certifies the built in GPUs in iMacs and MacBook Pros. There iare so little hardware choices on the mac that autodesk certifies the standard mac hardware instead of requiring something that is not really available on the platform.

The downside is that you may not have access to certain viewport features.


Gaming cards are more ideal for C4d, though, often producing significantly higher viewport framerates.
 
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