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I'm starting to think DARK MODE will just be the new Smart Invert. They like to choose special words like "night shift" and "retina", so they won't use DARK MODE

Don't care about the wording just bring us Dark Mode, damnit Apple stop being so stingy with the goods! Craig Frederighi put your back into this man!

PS: Ever notice when Craigs on stage standing stationary his hand is backwards on his hip, just like a p-star does? Random I know, over exhausted had no idea where that 2 second random came from but it's gone.
 
Yeah, I literally shudder at the thought of this...

You are easily shaken.

even if you have your iPhone fairly well arranged, let’s say 2 screens total, mixture of some “loose” apps & some in folders.
Switching between say Facebook & a game you’re playing, then back again could be something like this:
Tap “Social” folder on 1st home screen, then tap Facebook... then hit home button, slide over to second home screen, tap “Games”, then tap Candy Crush, then tap the home button again, slide back over to the 1st home screen again, tap on the “Social” folder again, and tap Facebook again, to switch back to it.
Is this guy for real??????????!

I see no reason to doubt GreyOS. I hardly ever use the app switcher. Maybe it depends on how one uses the phone. Generally I do not spend much time on the phone, especially not just to pass time, and usually I do not switch between apps. I take the phone out of my pocket when I need it for some specific task with some app, and afterwards I put it away. All my everyday apps are on screen 1. Rarely do I touch screen 2, and there is no third. In most cases I would not know what bringing up the app switcher will show me, because considerable time may have passed since I last used the phone, and I do not remember for what - my desired app might be right next on the left, or it might be some scrolling away, and not so easily recognizable. It is much easier to press the home button once and then the icon that is exactly where I know it is.

I can see that the app switcher might be practical for other users, but not for me, and maybe not for GreyOS.
 
No home button will cause havoc on old people.

I'm all for new tech and simplifying, but the home button is still relevant and touch ID is super usefull.

I also can't get behind facial recognition especially when it's so problematic.
 
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Now, after ten years, Apple
Is finally bringing the App Switcher behaviour from my old Palm Pre (Web OS).

I always missed that on iOS since the WebOS approach feeled much more natural.

Though, I don't like that the Contol Center needs one more swipe, even if you can reach it from a swipe down and a swipe up.
 
You really have never used the App Switcher? Not even once? I ask this because it’s such a core function in iOS.

Nope.
Being deliberately obtuse would be what you describe.
Lol, that’s the equivalent of going to Google and searching for “Google” 1st, every time you make a search query....
Adding extraneous steps to a dead simple process.
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Yeah, I literally shudder at the thought of this... even if you have your iPhone fairly well arranged, let’s say 2 screens total, mixture of some “loose” apps & some in folders.
Switching between say Facebook & a game you’re playing, then back again could be something like this:
Tap “Social” folder on 1st home screen, then tap Facebook... then hit home button, slide over to second home screen, tap “Games”, then tap Candy Crush, then tap the home button again, slide back over to the 1st home screen again, tap on the “Social” folder again, and tap Facebook again, to switch back to it.
Is this guy for real??????????!
Instead of “double tap home, select open app”? Like, for what? Why would you POSSIBLY choose the most ridiculous & convoluted way to do something?

You are easily shaken.



I see no reason to doubt GreyOS. I hardly ever use the app switcher. Maybe it depends on how one uses the phone. Generally I do not spend much time on the phone, especially not just to pass time, and usually I do not switch between apps. I take the phone out of my pocket when I need it for some specific task with some app, and afterwards I put it away. All my everyday apps are on screen 1. Rarely do I touch screen 2, and there is no third. In most cases I would not know what bringing up the app switcher will show me, because considerable time may have passed since I last used the phone, and I do not remember for what - my desired app might be right next on the left, or it might be some scrolling away, and not so easily recognizable. It is much easier to press the home button once and then the icon that is exactly where I know it is.

I can see that the app switcher might be practical for other users, but not for me, and maybe not for GreyOS.
. Firstly, I’m not the poster who said they don’t use the app switcher. I just called out Tycho24 for being deliberately obtuse by thinking that meant the poster could only use one app.
Whatever Tycho24 then goes on to rant about is really quite irrelevant to his original statement about it only being possible to use one app without the app switcher.
I use the app switcher fairly frequently, but I don’t think it’s absolutely essential for everyone, for example if you only use a handful of apps in the dock and first page home screen- home button and a tap really isn’t worse than double home button, slide and tap!
But again, beside the point.
 
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You are easily shaken.



I see no reason to doubt GreyOS. I hardly ever use the app switcher. Maybe it depends on how one uses the phone. Generally I do not spend much time on the phone, especially not just to pass time, and usually I do not switch between apps. I take the phone out of my pocket when I need it for some specific task with some app, and afterwards I put it away. All my everyday apps are on screen 1. Rarely do I touch screen 2, and there is no third. In most cases I would not know what bringing up the app switcher will show me, because considerable time may have passed since I last used the phone, and I do not remember for what - my desired app might be right next on the left, or it might be some scrolling away, and not so easily recognizable. It is much easier to press the home button once and then the icon that is exactly where I know it is.

I can see that the app switcher might be practical for other users, but not for me, and maybe not for GreyOS.
Also add another annoyance: whether the previously used app is near your current app or not, when scroll is involved, it will need some form of accuracy to correctly select the right app. Whereas tap on home screen is reliable, simple and straightforward. I used to use app switcher frequently but now I rarely use it, and resort to go back and forth through home screen. I only have a handful of selected apps on two screens so not much of an issue to locate the one I want.
 
No home button will cause havoc on old people.

I'm all for new tech and simplifying, but the home button is still relevant and touch ID is super usefull.

I also can't get behind facial recognition especially when it's so problematic.

Curious as to what you think is problematic about facial recognition, have you used a modern device with facial recognition (something like windows hello on the surface pro line)? 99% of what people moan about in regards to facial recognition on this forum was solved a decade ago.
 
I miss the old Zephyr-tweak where you could swipe up to go to the Homescreen. It's much more convenient than aiming for the homebutton, pressing it and wait for it to load. When they introduced Control Center I was sad, that this isn't going to happen soon.

I also don't use the App Switcher - I have such a specific use for the iPhone that I can limit the apps on the first side of the Homescreen and go from there.
 
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I actually like this functionality but with one small change it would be amazing.

A swipe up from the bottom and top should be side specific. So a swipe up on the right side would bring up control centre and a swipe up from the left would bring up app switcher!

The same could be done with widgets and notifications at the top.

The button was a good thing to have when touchscreen were new, but we're all used to them and a button seems like a waste with haptic feedback too. I hope apple can solve this and bring something like it to ios11. Currently there are just too many clicks and swipes to areas that used to be faster.
 
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Let's wait and see, ...but based on these two videos, I'm gonna say not okay at all. If I swipe down from top, I get the lock screen? At this point, all I can say is why! Secondly, to get to the control centre I then have to swipe left after swiping down from top? Double the amount of work! And thirdly, what was wrong with 3D Touch gesture for multitasking screen? All these moving things around resemble Microsoft-grade UX and UI design. All I can say is I'm thankful for Apple for forgetting MacOS exists.
 
This is great news for fans of nested menus and more engaging user interaction. :rolleyes:

[...]All I can say is I'm thankful for Apple for forgetting MacOS exists.
That's pretty much how I feel every year when I dodge bad macOS news I still expect to come some sad day.

On a brighter note, it gives me time to deploy more platform-agnostic software and slowly move out of Apple software as much as possible and feasible.

Glassed Silver:ios
 
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Curious as to what you think is problematic about facial recognition, have you used a modern device with facial recognition (something like windows hello on the surface pro line)? 99% of what people moan about in regards to facial recognition on this forum was solved a decade ago.

We will need to see how Apple implements facial recognition. I agree with the previous poster that there are still a few issues to overcome - lighting conditions, people wearing different glasses/protective gear. I have tried a facial recognition on the latest HP Spectre and it would fail all the time with the normal amount of sunlight on the screen, asking for a password instead. Apple could come up with a similar compromise, but people using Touch ID frequently for Apple Pay in the middle of the street might not be so happy.

We’ll learn more in just a few weeks.
 
A simple implementation for lack of home button could be something like swipe up on the bottom right of the screen for control center, bottom left of the screen for app switcher. That way you have the simple swipe up motion for both. Both are just as accessible as the other and all it would take is a minor learning curve to swipe from a particular half of the screen instead of just anywhere. But this could let you jump right into one or the other and you can leave the notification drop down all the same.
 
So are we to believe these are actual functional prototype vids? To me, it’s obvious they are motion graphic mockups. Watch as he “swipes down”, the screen begins to move before this finger does.

If this is the case, i’m not convinced this was something Apple planned for to begin with.
 
I like this direction as it makes sense for use without a home button. Swipe up for app switcher and control center would be best (similar to iPad), although I am not sure how it would all look. I am assuming we will eventually get little videos like this similar to macOS as the gestures become more and more advanced. Happy to see it though.
 
A gesture like this to access multitasking doesn’t make sense for older phones. Why would the 6S and 7 lose the 3D Touch app switcher?
 
You might be able to get to the CC with one swipe anyway - a swipe upwards and to the left will bring up the switcher and move over to the CC if Apple's algorithms are carefully calibrated to expect that use case and not filter it out.
 
Ok, see we know two things now:

1) Dark Mode was specifically created and is now introduced by Apple, since it finally "makes sense" with black iPhone 8 borders, so you basically don't see them anymore (perfect black, thanks to OLED), even though they are physically there to protect the screen. That's very clever, I like it a lot! In the same way, the white iOS background makes the white bezels of the silver and "blush gold" iPhone 8 almost invisible, too.

2) The new gestures presented here is the last proof we needed that confirmed that TouchID was only an enabler technology, and also the home button finally has to go and will be completely replaced by smart gestures and face recognition (FaceID).

Since these changes are very profound and Apple cannot make enough iPhone 8s cause of the very advanced technologies, it still needs to offer a more speed enhanced iPhone 7 calling it iPhone 7s/7s Plus, while the iPhone 8 will be very expensive and with limited quantities. That way Apple will introduce an even more expensive iPhone model and up their margins, while at the same time giving everyone new technology, but with more price points to choose from and not losing any customers to Android cause of component shortages.
 
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Yeah, that second video seems especially likely for the redesigned iPhone, but isn't it supposed to have a dedicated function area at the bottom?
 
I actually like this functionality but with one small change it would be amazing.

I would suggest instead that a swipe up and hold the swipe a bit should lead direct into the control center.

The same could be done with widgets and notifications at the top.
 
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