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Early Mac OS X Leopard Notes and Observations

armani said:
g) Why apple does not give an option to customize a desktop, colors, fonts and so on? ...... may be I missing something here
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Because people have no taste and pick ugly gawdy UI elements. Just look at the atrocity of WinAMP skins on the Windows platforms. When people change the UI, it becomes a nightmare for support people and makes the OS look bad to others.

That said, there are utilities that you can search out if you really want to do that.
 
Annoyed

OK, now it seems that Leopard will not allow me to repair my permissions, which is rather frustrating, and a bit a scary.

So far, my gripes are:

Quick Time question marks in all my websites, not allowing any Flash or QT at all on the web, even though I can load movies just fine if they are saved files on my HD.

Atlantis and Cantrip software not compatible, therefore I am unable to connect to any of mu MU*"s and RPG's and do stuff with my buddies. Not a big deal, but just an annoyance since it's a time killer for me.

Upon installation, it reset all my audio settings for my Revolution 7.1 Audio Card and I had to switch it back over.

Now, I have that Win 4 Mac thing going on, for Windows Media player, at least I believe I did. Should I uninstall that, or reinstall it? Any help would be great, please.

JasonAisling@Mac.com
 
Don't know if anyone else noticed...

but Sherlock is gone.

Sent to join OS9 support in sleeping with the fishes.

RIP, old friend.
 
Got Leopard today at noon. Did the upgrade existing Mac OS-X (I did a clean restore of Tiger one week ago). It's fairly buggy still I've noticed. Some stuttering issues. Time Machine is a waste of time and that's not me making a bad pun. It seems to be so into "verifying" before actually copying that it's taken 3 hours on Firewire 800 to move 2GB's of space.
 
Installed Leopard on 3 Macs today (family pack). All installed aok (archive & install). I don't know if this was brought up by anyone, but custom install was limited on my intel machines versus my Powermac G5. When I tried to delete the language install on my Intel machines (Macbook Pro & Imac), The install program forced me to install all languages (1.6 GB worth) whereas on my Powermac G5 it let me delete all languages except English. Anyone else notice this?
 
Hard Nard said:
but Sherlock is gone.

Sent to join OS9 support in sleeping with the fishes.

RIP, old friend.
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I may have been the last of a few to still use Sherlock but alas it's virtually useless with all the widgets available. I only used Sherlock for the Applecare feature and now there's a widget for that so no need for such old app.

I just left the Apple store party in the San Francisco Bay Area. Lotsa people and very cool. The T-shirt is very cool IMO. The Apple store employees were all so well groomed as usual and all set to give workshops on the features of Leopard.
So here are my observations:
During the Time Machine demo given from the Apple employee it was demoed on the 30" cinema display so it was very impressive to watch the space graphics but unfortunately Time Machine crashed in the middle of his demo and he had to call over his manager and a hard reset was necessary.

Also I was playing around with one of the store's Mac Pros and opened the Finder and Mail and when I hit the Time Machine button the Mac Pro crashed.

Stacks was awesome but the grid feature is stuttery.
Coverflow was a big hit at the Apple store but in Cover Flow view some icons show up as low resolution but most likely that's because those apps need fine tuning from the developers. All of Apple's apps had beautiful icons in Cover Flow.
All in all I was at the Apple store for 4 hours and didn't want to leave because my copy is not shipping until monday. Even with all of the bugs I am still installing. 10.5.1 shall follow very soon :D
 
Some installation problems

FWIW

I had 2 laptops that needed the directory rebuilt with Disk Warrior before installation was possible. One was a one year old macbook pro that gave an installation failed error and the hard drive would no longer show up as available for installation. Disk Utility failed but after rebuilding with Disk Warrior upgrade went without a hitch. The second was similar except the disk didn't show up as an option from the beginning. Disk Warrior found a volume wrapper problem, rebuilt and upgrade went without a hitch. This was a G4 powerbook. Also, Archive and install works much different than with the developer seeds. All of my applications seem to have remained in the applications directory and continue to function. Before all non-bundled apps went to the previous systems folder. One of my iMacs (previous gen C2D) found a firmware update after upgrade also.
 
Fast Switching is still in Windows!

Umm guys. I don't know if this has been noted but Fast Switching that was demoed at WWDC, and subsequently removed in later builds of Leopard may not be in Leopard. But the service is definitely in Windows after you load the drivers. I was tweaking Windows default services when I ran across this interesting find.

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I think you didn't boot off the installation CD. Put in the CD, go to Restart,when the screen turns black, hold down the C key till the Grey Apple Logo appears and the spinning wheel. This should bring you to the Install Screen.

Pay attention to the Install, the default is Upgrade, if you want Archive and Install or Erase and Install, you need to go to Options.



barnaby117 said:
Hey everyone!

I am just a lurker who could use some help! I started installing Leopard -- did the restart, but don't get to the installation instructions. My iBook G4 just shows the working icon on a blue screen. Any thoughts? Thank you!
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SiliconAddict said:
Umm guys. I don't know if this has been noted but Fast Switching that was demoed at WWDC, and subsequently removed in later builds of Leopard may not be in Leopard. But the service is definitely in Windows after you load the drivers. I was tweaking Windows default services when I ran across this interesting find.

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I noticed that as well. Can't wait to see it in action!
 
Fresh install on a 3-day-old MacBook Pro:

The bad:
  1. Screen sharing within the network is horrendously buggy. I can literally click what I KNOW is the right l/p to the computer 5 times, and I will get 4 consecutive "incorrect l/ps", and suddenly the 5th time it'll work
  2. Finder bogged down horribly on a couple of occasion and required a hard reset
  3. The "shared" menu is flakey, and disappears randomly
  4. Lots of program crashes

The good:
  1. As a whole, when the system works, it seems snappy; I swear Safari seems faster
  2. The new side-dock is a nice evolution. I actually kind of like the shelf look on the bottom, but i never keep my dock down there, so I can't make use of it
  3. Time machine, when it works properly, is going to be a nice, effortless way to backup.
  4. The significantly faster spotlight is delightful, and I'm not 100% sure I'll reinstall quicksilver (though I'll certainly miss some of its functionality if I don't).
  5. The level of customization possible within the guest account is impressive
  6. WHen it works, screen sharing is awesome
 
So I thought I should share my fairy tale story...

Fedex dropped my family pack off at 10:10 this morning, installed it on my macbook pro, took about 35 minutes for a erase and install... everything went perfect, launched in, was sure to remove the drivers and languages, so the install was only like 3.5GB...

everything works great but i cannot figure out how to import my mail files from my (non exported...just cloned) backup, but that's my problem.


So I took the DVD and did an archive and install on an ibook 1.33 G4, 512mb, took about 3 hours... just so you know, it stayed on "about a minute" for about 35 minutes, and on the blue screen for about 15, but launched in fine.

Neither have had a single problem... I've gone through all my video/audio/picture/documents/programs/settings and EVERYTHING has worked.... it's pretty amazing.

As far as the ibook goes, it runs exceptionally well... all the video interfaces are smooth (little jumpy at times, but what do you expect)

iChat is amazing.... communicated with the iBook and the macbook pro on different networks and video was perfectly smooth... sharing desktops was seamless, video chat was great....

and this was the first time i've EVER been able to use the video camera built in to my MBP, on the old iChat I could NEVER get it to work, I always got the ( **my name** did not respond) error.

nothing has gone wrong, and i LOVE all the new features, well worth the 200 bucks.
 
You might have missed the Options Button, the default is Upgrade.

tmoney468 said:
I wasn't really given an option to do a fresh install, archive and install, or upgrade install...I put the DVD in and ran the "Install Leopard" icon which brought up a screen to Restart. So I did that and went through the setup steps but it never asked me what type of install to do, and I couldn't see any option to change it. Will this just do an upgrade install since I selected it in Tiger?
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damn leopard needs some fixin'

so i bought the 24" imac, got 3 shirts (my son and daughter with me) and came home, installed it, now i can't play poker (fulltiltpoker.com) . i can log in, and hear the sounds, but can't see the table, anyone able to play?
 
It looks like the bash shell is upgraded to 3.2... Apache to 2.2 ... Python to 2.51. I haven't looked at any other. :)
 
Frustration with Stacks

I have been using the GM version of Leopard for about a day and I am overall very happy with it, especially now that Software Update works....
One thing I am frustrated with is the way a Finder window opens when I click on a folder within a folder in Stacks. I am sure that in the developer build, when I clicked on a folder within a folder, it just opened with in the stack. Now it opens a Finder window. For example, if I had a folder in the Downloads folder I would click on the Downloads folder in the Dock, then click on the folder within the Downloads folder, and it would just show the content of that folder within the stack, either in fan or grid view.
I hope this makes sense...
 
Delete key doesn't work in Windows. Something with apple's drivers for the keyboard. I should be able to hit FN-Delete to delete. No dice. :( Definitely going to have problems gaming without that key.

I am seeing that there is an update under Apple Software update in Windows. Lets see if that helps.

EDIT: Nope. It still does the equivalent of Alt-Back Arrow. Going to see if I can dig up one of my older Bootcamp driver disks and load the driver from there. :(

EDIT AGAIN: That did it. reloaded the drivers from the Leopard DVD. The drivers didn't take. Might have been due to plugging in an external keyboard before rebooting. Oops. :rolleyes:
 
RobMack said:
One thing I am frustrated with is the way a Finder window opens when I click on a folder within a folder in Stacks. I am sure that in the developer build, when I clicked on a folder within a folder, it just opened with in the stack. Now it opens a Finder window. For example, if I had a folder in the Downloads folder I would click on the Downloads folder in the Dock, then click on the folder within the Downloads folder, and it would just show the content of that folder within the stack, either in fan or grid view.
I hope this makes sense...
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That was removed in later builds. I liked how you could open folders and stay in stacks too. Even though they didn't have an ability to go backwards.
 
BTW: my macbook pro is running cooler than it was before with leopard... it used to run 67 on average (3 days ago)... now it's averaging at 60-62
 
Amazing 64-bit performance boost.

I did a clean install of Leopard on my newest MBP, and was blown away by the speed increase.

This version is a must for all Intel based Macs with the Core-2 duo! If you just have the core-duo you can't get the real message here... :apple: POWER!

Also, loved all the new GUI tweeks and spaces is a big improvement on Linux in the vein of the untouched dashboard. Lots of good things remain the same, proving the old adage: if it ain't broke.

32-bit Vista is a total joke compared to this heavy lifter. I've seen the new Dell m1330 and these guys are just fooling themselves.
 
chatin said:
I did a clean install of Leopard on my newest MBP, and was blown away by the speed increase.

This version is a must for all Intel based Macs with the Core-2 duo! If you just have the core-duo you can't get the real message here... :apple: POWER!

Also, loved all the new GUI tweeks and spaces is a big improvement on Linux in the vein of the untouched dashboard. Lots of good things remain the same, proving the old adage: if it ain't broke.

32-bit Vista is a total joke compared to this heavy lifter. I've seen the new Dell m1330 and these guys are just fooling themselves.
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I hate to break it to you but the 64-bit nature of Leopard doesn't have a dang thing to do with its performance. :rolleyes:
 
Installation:
-Woke-up my MacBook in Tiger
-Inserted Leopard DVD and selected option to Install Leopard, then restarted
-Booting from the Leopard disc was rather slow (~2 minutes)
-Customized my install options (erase & install, 1 printer driver manufacturer, no other languages)
-Started install (Time estimate: 19 minutes)
-Made some Kool-aid (4 minutes)
-Kool-aid was funky, so poured it out and re-made it (5 minutes)
-Install completed and system rebooted (Total install time: 20 minutes)
-Configured profile, .Mac, and so forth

First Login:
-Prompted to select external drive for Time Machine
-Opened System Preferences and went through each item customizing to my liking
-NEW! iSync offered an option to "Merge" data already on .Mac with what was on the computer (I've never seen this option before)
-Added network printer (bonjour), no problems
-Setup iTunes, no problems
-Setup Safari, no problems (iSync successfully synced bookmarks)
-Added Applications folder to Dock, icon sucks, changed the icon by creating folder as first item in folder, still sucks
-Transferred backed up iTunes library back to local drive (firewire seems 10-20MB/s faster than Tiger??)
-Initiated Time Machine backup to capture iTunes library, going DOG SLOW

Bad Things:
-EyeTV 2.5 is failing to find my channel line-up. The scan works, but when it's done it doesn't seem to be able to communicate with the channel lineup server. Maybe the server is overwhelmed or crashed tonight from everyone re-installing? :confused:

Good Things:
-I really like that Time Machine changes the icon of the drive it takes over. It looks really nice next to my other external drive icons
-Time Machine was so simple to setup, easily my favorite feature of Leopard
-Did I mention I really like Time Machine? Although, it has been DOG SLOW backing up my iTunes library (50+GB), I won't hold it against it
-Everything launches faster, but I had already noticed the same speed improvement after replacing the HDD in my MacBook with a 7200RPM drive
-The transparency of the menu bar really sets the mood for the new OS, setting it apart from Tiger
 
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