Exactly. Think about it, they update the body and graphics card and everyone gets one, and after that rush has died down, then they'll update the processors. At least that's what I'm hoping.. I'm looking to get a MBP that will run Aperture 2.0 seamlessly, but I'm waiting until I can hit up my local Apple store once they get one to actually test it. If the new graphics card doesn't cut it then I think I'll just wait until they update the processors, because it's bound to happen. Maybe it will come along with Snow Leopard..?
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Exactly. Think about it, they update the body and graphics card and everyone gets one, and after that rush has died down, then they'll update the processors. At least that's what I'm hoping.. I'm looking to get a MBP that will run Aperture 2.0 seamlessly, but I'm waiting until I can hit up my local Apple store once they get one to actually test it. If the new graphics card doesn't cut it then I think I'll just wait until they update the processors, because it's bound to happen. Maybe it will come along with Snow Leopard..?
In reflection...
I agree. I have a glossy display on a MacBook Pro, but the new displays are MUCH more reflective. At first I thought it was just the angle, but I compared them in exactly the same place, and the new displays show background lights in much more detail.
Does anyone know if there's a screen overlay that makes the screen matte without taking away too much from the quality of the display?
I ordered a macbook pro on tuesday via apple.com
After going into the store today to actually look at the macbook pros, (and the macbooks) I have now cancelled my order. The Glossy screens are atrocious. WAY too much glare. Nice case design don't get me wrong but dropping over 2K for a laptop with a screen that will bug the **** out of me is too much.
I am hoping there will be some matte update in the next coming months otherwise I will be looking into previous models and / or refurbs.
edit : Just ordered the previous gen Macbook pro, since it has a matte screen for $500 lessthrough amazon.
I agree. I have a glossy display on a MacBook Pro, but the new displays are MUCH more reflective. At first I thought it was just the angle, but I compared them in exactly the same place, and the new displays show background lights in much more detail.
Does anyone know if there's a screen overlay that makes the screen matte without taking away too much from the quality of the display?
That's because Apple put a sodding piece of glass on the new laptops. That's why it's more reflective.
If you want to get an overlay - give it another week or so, so that sellers will have some which are cut to the dimensions/curves of the new display.
The only thing stopping me now from getting a refurb 15" MBP in the previous design with a matte display - is that they all have the crippled GPU's... The 'new' 17" MBP's are too large for me/commuting/being on flights...
Rock-
<-Hard PlaceAnd this begs the question...how ON EARTH can someone still buy a Windows PC? This is just amazing, especially seeing that the "best" Windows machines are Macs...not that I am ever gonna compare that crappy OS with Leopard, of course...
They're cheaper* and have better video cards than Apple offers+.
* Yes, if you use all the same components, they're about the same price. But most consumers don't need all of the high-end features in a Mac Pro or MacBook Pro, just one or two over the base model. In the PC world, you can get those extra features without shelling out for an entirely separate class of hardware. In the Mac world, you can't.
+Not just better, but they're actually upgradable later down the line.
Indeed, when you see nothing but Linux netbooks and Windows laptops on the shelves, there little option - not to mention schoolkids aren't going to get a grand spent on them for a laptop - that's a month's wages for most people. £250 laptops are far more attractive.
has anybody tested graphics performance with the 24 inch led cinema display with a new macbook?
I had the chance to use a new aluminium macbook in a shop, and I was quite impressed with the graphics and overall performance.
so is this true also when using it with the cinema display?
I had the chance to use a new aluminium macbook in a shop, and I was quite impressed with the graphics and overall performance.
so is this true also when using it with the cinema display?
I remember an interview a while back with Steve Jobs and he was talking about features and upgrades with Apple products. If I could find it, it would help and add credibility to what I'm saying but alas I can't and maybe somebody will remember as well because he was talking about when upgrading a machine it has to be better than the old product in every way otherwise people will complain and Apple generally doesn't update their products until everything can be upgraded or enhanced.
Seems they forgot this time around.
re: Several comments
A few things.... let's see here:
1. To the person asking about the performance of a Macbook with an external 24" LED Cinema display attached? Those displays aren't even shipping until November, so I'm pretty sure nobody has tested one first-hand yet. I'm 99.9% confident, though, it will perform on the external display EXACTLY the same as it does on the internal LCD panel. The video chip doesn't really have to do anything different to route the display to the external monitor attached to the "mini-Displayport" connector than it does for displaying things on the internal LCD panel of the notebook.
2. To the guy asking why anyone would still consider buying Windows notebooks? As much as I *love* Apple notebooks and will gladly pay more for one myself -- I also work in I.T. and see situations every day where some other product is more appropriate. For example, we have a lady here who works in our H.R. dept. She already owns an iMac at home, so she's certainly not adverse to using Apple computers. But she needed a cheap notebook primarily for connecting to our corporate VPN and getting remote control of her office PC from anywhere. I found her a Lenovo Thinkpad for under $500 that worked perfectly for the task. It still came pre-loaded with Windows XP Pro (no performance sucking Vista!), and allows use of the Sonicwall proprietary VPN client (free for Windows users) required to connect. If she had gone with even the cheapest Apple Macbook out, she'd still have to fork out another $80 or so for the commercial "VPN Tracker" software, just to connect to our VPN from OS X - because natively, OS X can't connect to a Sonicwall. Essentially, she could have *2* of these Thinkpads for what a usable Macbook would have cost her.
3. In response to CrackedButter's comments: I'm quite sure Steve did say that, and like most things that come from his mouth, it's *generally* true, but always spoken from a marketing/sales perspective. Even as far back as the Apple // and //e computer days, Jobs was the "salesman" and Wozniak provided the technical know-how. "Better" is a very relative term anyway. Is the new Macbook Pro keyboard "better" than the last version? I never thought a "chicklet" type keyboard could *ever* be considered better than a standard type - but I'm slowly changing that opinion as I use this new one more. When Apple removed the 3.5" floppy disk drive from their machines, did many people think that was "better" than leaving it in them? In retrospect, was it a good idea to help nudge technology forward though?
A few things.... let's see here:
1. To the person asking about the performance of a Macbook with an external 24" LED Cinema display attached? Those displays aren't even shipping until November, so I'm pretty sure nobody has tested one first-hand yet. I'm 99.9% confident, though, it will perform on the external display EXACTLY the same as it does on the internal LCD panel. The video chip doesn't really have to do anything different to route the display to the external monitor attached to the "mini-Displayport" connector than it does for displaying things on the internal LCD panel of the notebook.
2. To the guy asking why anyone would still consider buying Windows notebooks? As much as I *love* Apple notebooks and will gladly pay more for one myself -- I also work in I.T. and see situations every day where some other product is more appropriate. For example, we have a lady here who works in our H.R. dept. She already owns an iMac at home, so she's certainly not adverse to using Apple computers. But she needed a cheap notebook primarily for connecting to our corporate VPN and getting remote control of her office PC from anywhere. I found her a Lenovo Thinkpad for under $500 that worked perfectly for the task. It still came pre-loaded with Windows XP Pro (no performance sucking Vista!), and allows use of the Sonicwall proprietary VPN client (free for Windows users) required to connect. If she had gone with even the cheapest Apple Macbook out, she'd still have to fork out another $80 or so for the commercial "VPN Tracker" software, just to connect to our VPN from OS X - because natively, OS X can't connect to a Sonicwall. Essentially, she could have *2* of these Thinkpads for what a usable Macbook would have cost her.
3. In response to CrackedButter's comments: I'm quite sure Steve did say that, and like most things that come from his mouth, it's *generally* true, but always spoken from a marketing/sales perspective. Even as far back as the Apple // and //e computer days, Jobs was the "salesman" and Wozniak provided the technical know-how. "Better" is a very relative term anyway. Is the new Macbook Pro keyboard "better" than the last version? I never thought a "chicklet" type keyboard could *ever* be considered better than a standard type - but I'm slowly changing that opinion as I use this new one more. When Apple removed the 3.5" floppy disk drive from their machines, did many people think that was "better" than leaving it in them? In retrospect, was it a good idea to help nudge technology forward though?
This is a BIG factor in why I think I am going to spend the extra $$ on the new ones vs. buying the last generation MBP. I have an ailing Powerbook G4 (circa '03) and really want to replace it. I know that performance wise there's not gonna be a huge difference for me between the new/old MBP, but build quality is a big deal to me.
I have three friends who all have 12" PB's and not a single one will be replacing it with a new MB/MBA because of the Firewire fiasco.
Not necessarily the case. If the external monitor is being driven at the same resolution as the internal LCD, then yes, that's the case. But if you're driving the external monitor at a higher resolution, then performance will probably go down somewhat.
I have one for my (plastic) macbook. Its an anti-glare plastic sheet. Turns the display into a 'matte.'
Put in quotes as it reduces the quality a little. I'm not a graphic designer or anything so It doesn't really bother me, I forget its there now. I bought this one. (sorry) Its a japanese link, but hopefully someone can point you to an English/US one. It reduces the reflections/glare to nearly zero, and if I was to buy a new macbook it would be one of the first things I buy for it.
It also protects the screen from scratching on the keys when its closed. I had read reports of it happening, hopefully fixed with the new designs.