That, and there are a lot of places in the United States that aren't English words....
Like Manhattan... to bad this link won't prove that.
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That, and there are a lot of places in the United States that aren't English words....
Like Manhattan... to bad this link won't prove that.
The Israel design center has been around for decades. They were designing x86 cores prior to Netburst, and prior to Banias. Timna comes to mind.
I've got the Penryn MacPro like I always wanted and I played the waiting game for several months before it came out. All this talk about new CPU architecture do interest me, how it surpasses the current line of processors. It doesn't bother or upset me at all if my MacPro gets replaced with a better one. That is because I enjoy what I have to the fullest(until it dies).
My previous computer was bought around 2001, and that was 8 years ago! I gave it to my cousin for general internet use and has no value for me since I got my first Mac. For media work, its the best thing I ever had, no more stuttering in audio when composing, 2D/3D work is much smoother. I've yet to see more applications that utilizes all 8 cores like handbrake. This going to last me for a while maybe 5-7 years. By that time, there's going to be another CPU arch. thats going to surpass Nehalem.
My previous computer was bought around 2001, and that was 8 years ago! I gave it to my cousin for general internet use and has no value for me since I got my first Mac. For media work, its the best thing I ever had, no more stuttering in audio when composing, 2D/3D work is much smoother. I've yet to see more applications that utilizes all 8 cores like handbrake. This going to last me for a while maybe 5-7 years. By that time, there's going to be another CPU arch. thats going to surpass Nehalem.
I'd agree that it would be like that with any Mac Pro bought recently. 8 processors is more than enough and I'd be happy with that too. I've been happy with my Merom 17" MacBook Pro, but it's about that time to look forward.
3 years is about my max (4 and I start to itch)
No, I'm not rich but I gotta get a new one after that long...
Atom is a dog of a chip right now, so they may want to use the 22mm package Penryns at the slower clock speeds.
Yea, i'm bascially targeting 2010 because i think SSD and Blu Ray will be most affordable then. Those are 2 things i'm looking for in a MBP. 2009 might offer but the price will still be too high. 2010 looks like a great target.
Its not the chipset thats important anymore. Its the new technology. SSD and Blu Ray. Thats what I think is more important. Heck even quad core. I just think 2010 will be a better buy.
Where did you hear that? Early reviews seem to be positive:
http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3321&p=9
Anandtech said:
That's about the perfect performance envelope for a tablet.
Don't worry, it will get replaced and soon.
That's what everyone says....
But this one, Nehalem, is going to be it. There won't be anything faster. 
Having faster connections is nice but a CPU that is significantly faster is something that delivers a ROI everytime you use it. In fact USB is dependent on the CPU for maintaining connection and to an extent so would eSATA. I'm going to say that Nehalem with it's hyperthreading should deliver much more of an impact than any of the other technologies you've mentioned. They are certainly the cream on top of a good platform though.
Me too, especially if 10.6 will be Intel only. If that ends up being accurate, it would push me to upgrade my G4 mini.
Glenn
oh vey....
There was a time back in the day when I was the master at upgrades. Selling the Mac Classic just in time to get max value and buy a IIsi. (Those that know, know.)
But you are wrong about the upgrade cycle. Three years is more typical of folks although I recently gave my very good working Powerbook AL 15" to a marine and for the first time am sitting on old stuff with no backup machine. I'm using a mac mini core solo which for most things is just fine.
Would not mind getting a new updated mini or a used Penryn laptop but the one now that is not running as hot. I like that.
And I would love to wait until this new chip is in a laptop but that may not be feasible.
On the whole I've been way beyond the curve. I would imagine that people have overlapping machines in their family and three years would be about right for many/most to upgrade at least one machine.
I'm quite sure Apple has extensive research on this for their customer base. And I'm guessing that it's typically a faster cycle than PCs now.
No one is out buying new pc's to support Vista. Shoot most people can't get their peripherals to work with Vista, no matter the hardware.
There was a time back in the day when I was the master at upgrades. Selling the Mac Classic just in time to get max value and buy a IIsi. (Those that know, know.)
But you are wrong about the upgrade cycle. Three years is more typical of folks although I recently gave my very good working Powerbook AL 15" to a marine and for the first time am sitting on old stuff with no backup machine. I'm using a mac mini core solo which for most things is just fine.
Would not mind getting a new updated mini or a used Penryn laptop but the one now that is not running as hot. I like that.
And I would love to wait until this new chip is in a laptop but that may not be feasible.
On the whole I've been way beyond the curve. I would imagine that people have overlapping machines in their family and three years would be about right for many/most to upgrade at least one machine.
I'm quite sure Apple has extensive research on this for their customer base. And I'm guessing that it's typically a faster cycle than PCs now.
No one is out buying new pc's to support Vista. Shoot most people can't get their peripherals to work with Vista, no matter the hardware.
eSATA is a connector/cable spec, otherwise same as SATA
THere's no protocol difference between SATA and eSATA - the eSATA spec describes a more robust connector and a cable spec that can go 2 metres instead of 1.
You can buy cables with one end eSATA (often called the "I" connector) and the other end SATA (the "L" connector).
THere's no protocol difference between SATA and eSATA - the eSATA spec describes a more robust connector and a cable spec that can go 2 metres instead of 1.
You can buy cables with one end eSATA (often called the "I" connector) and the other end SATA (the "L" connector).
I wish instead of a 20-50% increase in power and a 10% increase in power usage, Nehalem was 20-50% more energy efficient with say a 10% increase in computing power. I mean I know this doesn't more for the server grade versions of these chips, but I can't do anything very intense (word process, browse web)with my MBP and still get 3hrs batt life. What good is a 20-50% power increase if your lappy is dead (therefore a 100% power decrease
I'm just saying (and I know it is difficult, its not like other companies are doing it and apple isnt) it would be nice for a mobile workstation to be, well, mobile
My concern from the article is also the power consumption... I am mostly interested in Nehalem from a mobile standpoint. I would like the balance to favor better battery life.
Since I am a MB user, I would also like better integrated graphics. I am awaiting reviews of Nehalem with the on-board graphincs. I didn't think the x3100 integrated graphics was much of an improvement over the 950 that I have. The jury appears to still be out on the x4500.
Glenn
The power consumption is only 10W more than existing Intel mobile chips with 2 more cores. If that isn't efficiency then I would like to know what is. The dual core parts are apart of the value line and will include a GPU and still dissipate the same 35W/45W that current parts dissipate.
From my understanding Larabee (supposedly the IGP to be used) is going to be pretty good, but no one is sure what nvidia and ati have waiting in the wings. Really Intels biggest problem is drivers. The X3100 is supposed to be way better than how it is currently performing.
Sorry, but that's just nonsense...
And how well does your ADB keyboard work with your Imac? How well do your PCI cards work in your Macpro?
Thought so.....
Of course some older devices were left behind by Vista, but my printer, scanner, external drives, Adaptec SCSI card, Promise eSATA card, 3ware SATA RAID card,... are all supported by both Vista x86 and Vista x64. In my experience, most Windows XP/Windows 2003 drivers work fine in Vista x86. Windows 2000 drivers which worked in XP tend not to work in Vista, but sometimes that's an installer bug ("what's Windows 6.0?") that a manual install will get past.
I think the sales figures for HP/Dell/Lenovo/Toshiba/Acer... show that in fact people *are* buying PCs for Vista.
Vista device support, especially 32-bit, is pretty good. Don't spread "misinformation", and don't buy the distortions and half-truths in the PC-MAC ads.
No one is out buying new pc's to support Vista. Shoot most people can't get their peripherals to work with Vista, no matter the hardware.
And how well does your ADB keyboard work with your Imac? How well do your PCI cards work in your Macpro?
Thought so.....
Of course some older devices were left behind by Vista, but my printer, scanner, external drives, Adaptec SCSI card, Promise eSATA card, 3ware SATA RAID card,... are all supported by both Vista x86 and Vista x64. In my experience, most Windows XP/Windows 2003 drivers work fine in Vista x86. Windows 2000 drivers which worked in XP tend not to work in Vista, but sometimes that's an installer bug ("what's Windows 6.0?") that a manual install will get past.
I think the sales figures for HP/Dell/Lenovo/Toshiba/Acer... show that in fact people *are* buying PCs for Vista.
Vista device support, especially 32-bit, is pretty good. Don't spread "misinformation", and don't buy the distortions and half-truths in the PC-MAC ads.
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7595&Itemid=1
I think this site is pro-AMD, so they may be highlighting the negative aspects of the chip, but the benchmarks they did show aren't very good.
You know, you are exactly right. I'm pretty sure that this new processor is going to be quad-core, if you look at the Intel roadmap, they're mainstream mobile processor is a quad-core while the value mobile processor is dual-core with integrated graphics which seems more a MacBook route.
As for SSD and Blu-ray, if I truly needed those technologies, those could be upgraded. SSD is going to the use the SATA interface, yes the technologies will be cheaper but I could always buy a SSD from newegg and install it. Or you could buy a Blu-ray burner externally or internally, they even do it now. Those possibilities are still there if I truly needed those.
However, USB 3.0 and FW3200, well you probably got me there. We'll see how many devices carry those technologies.
From the article:
To me, that review says that you won't want to do raytracing or video encoding on your atom-based tablet, but it's ideal for all the things you would want to do on a tablet.
The reviewer seems to be trying to compare Atom to a desktop processor, which is precisely the wrong thing to do. As a parallel, if you were to compare the ARM CPU in the iPhone to a desktop CPU it would benchmark pretty poorly as well. But for what it's designed to do, it's entirely sufficient.
I should a while to get my new Apple products...
Yeah, I can't wait for the SSDs and quad core processors to come to.
God help us all if 10.6 is going to be called Snow Leopard. I still think it should be called Black Panther if they are going to be regurgitating names. Since leopards aren't "snow" colored and panthers are "black"
Either way, I do hope that we get a tablet or laptop or Air or something that has outstanding battery life. I mean, I want to unplug it and use it ALL DAY LONG and have the battery go down to 13% at the least.
A true device where I can work and leave the plug at home.
God help us all if 10.6 is going to be called Snow Leopard. I still think it should be called Black Panther if they are going to be regurgitating names. Since leopards aren't "snow" colored and panthers are "black"
Either way, I do hope that we get a tablet or laptop or Air or something that has outstanding battery life. I mean, I want to unplug it and use it ALL DAY LONG and have the battery go down to 13% at the least.
A true device where I can work and leave the plug at home.
3 years is about my max (4 and I start to itch)
No, I'm not rich but I gotta get a new one after that long...
To put the cost into perspective: A pack of 20 cigarettes costs £5.50. MacBook starts at £699. That's 127 packs of cigarettes, or 4 months of light smoking. If a smoker in the UK reduces his or her consumption by 2.32 cigarettes a day, they save enough to buy a MacBook every three years.
Seems you have to be _both_ crazy _and_ filthy rich to be a smoker.