Ebay buyer from Ukraine

bowens

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Not sure if this is the best place to post this so please move it if not.

I just sold my old iPhone 4 on eBay. My listing clearly stated sales in the US only, but some idiot from Ukraine won the auction. He has perfect feedback with 98 feedbacks. He has been a member for 2 years, but I'm still a little leery. What do you guys think? What's the best way to make sure I'm protected? Will Priority Mail with a tracking number suffice?

Thanks.
 

Orange Crane

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If your listing is for domestic buyers only you do not have to ship it to anyone outside your country's borders. eBay will let you relist.
 
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juanm

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Yes. Considering his feedback, you'd probably be ok, but if you listed it for US only, you don't have to send it over.
 
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bowens

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If your listing is for domestic buyers only you do not have to ship it to anyone outside your country's borders. eBay will let you relist.
I don't mind shipping it, and charging a heck of a lot more for it, as long as I'll be safe.
 
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Mr. McMac

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Why didn't you block ebayers from other countries from bidding like I did. I've only sold within the Continental USA since 2002 and never once had a problem because I block outsiders from bidding..
 
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roxxette

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perfect feedback/score are sold very cheap over forums, the purpose im sure you know what is for :)

Really if you allready stated that listing is only for US and conus maybe, theres no reason to deal with the guy.
 
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GoCubsGo

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Yes. Considering his feedback, you'd probably be ok, but if you listed it for US only, you don't have to send it over.
Nope, not really. I nearly shipped a laptop in 2004 to someone who had feedback (200+) that was all positive, was leaving it and getting it, and looked totally legit. It was a hacked account.
 
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bruinsrme

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Even if a Ukraine buyer offered me 10X I would be more apt to take a 50% hit selling it locally.
 
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Ferr

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Why do you think that all buyers from Ukraine are cheating? Or in USA crime % is 0? Lol guys, you are like a kids, take insurance and sleep carefully.
 
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bowens

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I called Paypal to see what they have to say, and they told me as long as I ship with a tracking number, signature confirmation, and ship to the address listed on their paypal account, that I will be covered under their seller protection program. Anybody ever had to use this before?
 
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firedept

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What is with you guys and selling outside of US? I am surprised he could even bid on your phone though. I am in Canada and have tried to bid on items that state "Only Ships To US" with the sellers permission and Ebay would not allow me to do it. Told me when I tried to buy, that it was unavailable to me. So quite surprised he could bid? As a seller on Ebay since 1999, I know what a pain in the a** it is to sell outside your country, but I have made many sales all over the world and as long as you ship and insure it properly you will be covering your butt. Good luck with whatever decision you make. Not everyone is a scam artist!
 
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roxxette

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Why do you think that all buyers from Ukraine are cheating? Or in USA crime % is 0? Lol guys, you are like a kids, take insurance and sleep carefully.
Insurance and sleep carefully ? Lol i have ripped a lot of people that way :) all of then sent hate mail when i filled a chargeback and paypal/sent then back to the trailer park.

They only protect the buyer mate, seller can go **** himself.
 
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I called Paypal to see what they have to say, and they told me as long as I ship with a tracking number, signature confirmation, and ship to the address listed on their paypal account, that I will be covered under their seller protection program. Anybody ever had to use this before?
Just make sure you follow what paypal says very closely and you should be fine. Since the guy has good feedback, I'd be a lot more worried about the Ukrainian customs agents stealing the phone when they inspect the package than the guy trying to scam you.
 
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wordoflife

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Send it to Ukraine
random question: how do you write the address? in Ukrainian? or with western alphabet?
 
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Gav2k

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I called Paypal to see what they have to say, and they told me as long as I ship with a tracking number, signature confirmation, and ship to the address listed on their paypal account, that I will be covered under their seller protection program. Anybody ever had to use this before?
Make sure the customs label is filled out correctly too! But you'll be fine following pay pals advice
 
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0007776

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Send it to Ukraine
random question: how do you write the address? in Ukrainian? or with western alphabet?
Either one should work, probably the latin alphabet is better so you actually know what you're writing. When I was over there everything that was sent to me made it fine with the address written in latin characters.
 
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MICHAELSD

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I'd be worried that it's a hacked account; check how far apart the feedback is, if the previous date is a number of more weeks than average, chances are the account was hacked. Even under PayPal's buyer protection, there are ways he can convince them to side with him, such as stating that you shipped him a brick or an empty box. PayPal places priority on buyers.
 
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Ferr

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Insurance and sleep carefully ? Lol i have ripped a lot of people that way :) all of then sent hate mail when i filled a chargeback and paypal/sent then back to the trailer park.

They only protect the buyer mate, seller can go **** himself.
there are circumstances that do not depend on you :D

Send it to Ukraine
random question: how do you write the address? in Ukrainian? or with western alphabet?
Use English, Ukrainian adress will look something like this - 01001 Ukraine, Kiev, ul. Shevchenko kv. 1, where ul. means street and kv. apartments
 
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Kloubi

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Never use Paypal for shipments abroad

This hint might come too late, but Paypal is the most dangerous payment method for shipments abroad. I just have sold a Nikon camera to Ukraine, shipped it via tracked service by DHL.

The buyer paid with Paypal and then claimed the package was "empty" (this might be a lie or theft at the customs, I cannot say.) Fact is, he opened a case at Ebay/Paypal and they refunded him.

The buyers Ebay account looked new but ok (started in in June 2013, 13 auctions, well, afterwords I discovered a lot of mini auctions to give it a good look). Like in the first case my listing clearly stated sales in Germany only - but I was so stupid to send my Nikon camera over.

The seller protection is just a legend... every buyer could claim the package is empty, a fact nobody can prove. Ebay/Paypal will refund the buyer and are not cooperative or helpful at all and block claims by the seller (even though I am Ebay user since 2002).

So my advice: Never use Paypal for shipments abroad.
 
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Rescuer

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Hello. So I have an interesting situation.

My 4S just sold on ebay. I have it listed as "united states shipping only" etc etc. I also only allow US bidders and all that jazz.

a person bid at the last second of auction and won, which means I couldn't retract the bid, and since auction ended you can't block the person.

The person who won says their location is Ukraine. Has a 100% feedback with 3,581 points.
BUT they listed their address as a US address in New Jersey, which is how they were able to bid. So I googled the address and it's shipping company called Meest which accepts packages, then ships them off to the Ukraine/Internationally for people. http://www.meest.us/eng/index.html

I did state that I would only ship to US, with SIGNATURE REQUIRED receipt confirmation, tracking, and insurance.


what do you guys think about this? Because I would have a signature and receipt of acceptance, but once they ship it off to ukraine, that person could turn around and say it's lost, etc, which should fault that 3rd party company AFTER the fact they received it from USPS (my shipper)
 
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