Eddy Cue and Jimmy Iovine Talk Apple Music in Series of Interviews
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cmiller4642
macrumors regular
A lot of the argument for buying music seems like an old mentality. Face it: people aged 30 and under aren't buying albums when they can pay the price for a pack of cigarettes and a red bull a month for 40 million songs
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Bloomberg and the verge.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-to-own-music-again-and-everyone-is-a-target
http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/8/8745963/the-beatles-apple-music
I'm surprised MR didn't mention it.
They claim to have an inside source, which isn't the same as just speculating.
litedesign
macrumors member
I have been subscribing to music for many years now, starting with Rhapsody many years ago. While it's nice to see competition opening up, I think it would be great if services like Google Play or Apple Music offered discounts on DRM-free downloads to subscribers. It would certainly help solve the problem of cannibalizing download sales, would continue to promote listener ownership of music media, and would allow greater flexibility for customers on the fence about whether to jump into subscribing, or continue shopping for downloads and physical media.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Thanks, that's surprising information. It would appear that some relatively important artists will be excluded by the service as it seems unlikely that Apple can woo deals with everyone in the iTunes store in the next few weeks. Leaving out a group as big as the Beatles seems like a very big deal. Right now the Apple faithful seem to be operating to a mentality of having access to the entire iTunes music catalog. Of course, knowing the collective mentality, it will be the Beatles (and similar) fault for holding up their inclusion and/or they'll be "greedy", etc for not just doing whatever Apple wants. Little-to-no fault will be found with Apple for not constructing something so attractive that artists like the Beatles would proactively want to take part in it.
Once again, I'll point out a divergence in this groups mentality. We have
TV rumor threads loaded with a passionate sentiment of not wanting to have to keep paying for "185 channels I never watch," meaning we want to pay for just the shows we want and nothing else. And here, we are so excited to sign up for access to millions of songs we'll never play, apparently so that we have access to them just in case we might find something we want to play. There, we're wanting the very best visual media for dirt cheap while screening out all of the garbage. Here we want the best audio media AND the garbage and seem very willing to pay for it. Someone shared that part of the divergence is driven by $10/month vs. about $73/month (on average) where the former is throwaway money while the latter is not quite... but I still find the divergence interesting.Now pair that with this observation that what would generally be considered some of the best audio programming may not be accessible within this service and I wonder if our passionate desire to rent access to whatever will be available will persist? It seems like it should turn into a lot of consideration about which artists are in and which are out to help us decide if we'll find at least some of what we're looking for in this service. I wonder how many will use the free trial period much like we use the free trial to HBO Now and then choose to keep that $10/month in our pockets? On a personal level, when iTunes Radio first hit, I gave it a good try for the first few days and then quickly lost interest.
In the other thread, there is a table that shows number of subscribers of various streaming music services compared. There are two with free tiers and two with paid-only tiers. The numbers for the 2 with free tiers are far, FAR greater than the 2 with paid-only offerings. While I think Apple will easily overtake even Spotify's numbers with the free trial (since apparently this will be integrated right into iOS9), it will be interesting to see how many stick around once they have to start paying for the service.
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I never defended Apple or any company. I was explaining why their price point was the way it was. Spotify is the same. It's the ARTISTS. I'm not surprised at your response though. Typical when you have no other form of rebuttal. It would be nice if people on this board kept conversations civil.
Keep telling yourself that. You may actually start to believe it. The music you think your "BUYING" is not yours. You cannot resell it legally or do what you please with it. You can't even upload it to YouTube as they will reject any music that isn't "YOURS".
When you actual have proof of such a statement then come back to me. Otherwise this is nothing more than hyperbole.
Easy answer. Movies are generally watched once or twice at best so they don't hold the same value as music. Most people play the same music over and over no matter how old it is. Regardless of the production costs to make movies, Netflix is very smart in how they price their service. THEY KNOW that consumers can simply rent from RedBox as most people won't buy many movies anymore because it's not worth it to spend tons of money on a movie you may not watch more than once.
Good point. I hadn't thought of that. I just bought a nice audio system that has Wifi. I can play music from any part of the house using my iPhone and Spotify. While I "could" play Music from iPhone it would require me to connect my iPhone directly to the audio system.
Southshore
macrumors member
So what define an Apple "Family"? $14.99 spread across 6 family member is $2.50 each - and according to Iovine that includes " a spouse, boyfriend, girlfriend, kids ... the concept of signing up for these individual subscription plans multiple times is just not going to happen so we spent a lot of time with the labels to convince them that the real opportunity here is to get the whole family."
It seems that they are opening up the ability for groups of friends to get together and share a family membership, i.e. you don't need to live at the same residence, or be linked to the same Apple ID.
It seems that they are opening up the ability for groups of friends to get together and share a family membership, i.e. you don't need to live at the same residence, or be linked to the same Apple ID.
Black Belt
macrumors 65816
All 87 of them.
Black Belt
macrumors 65816
I disagree. Like Apple's App stores have provided a real means for even bedroom software creators to make real money with a HUGE audience, I bet this is the same push. Apple understands they attract massive amounts of content by building the infrastructure and SHARING the opportunity. This is yet another democratization of an industry, courtesy of Apple. I am hopeful it will be done right.
fastasleep
macrumors 6502
Does Music share the same 25,000 song limit? If so, both options are worthless to me. Still waiting...
unattributed
macrumors newbie
Hi there, just walked over your post. I think this link to the description of Apple Music on Apple's homepage might help you answer some of your questions. There's a nice chart with no subscription / subscription possibilities listed side by side
http://www.apple.com/music/membership/ BTW, it states that saving for offline listening is indeed possible
Also, I just checked the corresponding links from some european Apple sites.. It seems that the feature "Listen to Apple Music radio stations" might be an US only feature for non subscribers. On the US site it states that that feature is also indeed available for non subscribers with the limitation of limited skips. If you want those stations at all in other countreis you have to be a subscriber.
Hope I could help you!
Have a nice one, mate!
cmiller4642
macrumors regular
Completely different world. In 2003 most people were listening to music on CD's, at their computer, or maybe on their iPods (still not popular by that point)
In 2015 people have 4G connection wherever they go so the music is a lot more portable
tentales
macrumors 6502a
Hi fellow movie lover.
3000 movies x an average of $10 (more in Euros) per movie, is about $30'000,- on movies. I'd call that tens of thousands. Wow, my library is just shy of 1000 movies, including old Laserdiscs, Blurays and DVDs. Add to that about 50 iTunes movie downloads and maybe a couple of hundred rentals. Netflix replaced my rental habit 100%, since now I only buy the movies I really want to watch again. I'm familiar with 80% of the movies you list and yes, those are not on Netflix. At least 50% of what's on Netflix is B-grade crap and the real Gems movie buffs own anyhow on Bluray or DVD.
So now, what's any of that got to do with spending $120 a year on renting MUSIC from Apple ?
I get what you're saying, access to the entire iTunes catalog is more encompassing of ALL music out there versus Netflix's percentage of all movies out there, right ?
But that's beside the point that I prefer a fine dining restaurant over an all-you-can-eat place.
Music listening is mostly done in one of 2 ways;
attentive, active listening without distraction and
background listening while doing other things, such as working, driving, eating, fff...ishing ? and other pleasant pursuits
There is no right or wrong here. It's basically what each person prefers. Some listen more actively to albums they own, while others predominately have music in the background and prefer the streaming model. More power to you if you like what Apple's got to offer. I'm just saying, I'm a bit more old school, I prefer buying over renting in nearly every aspect in life. I also listen predominately to Jazz & classical music with more intent than Pop & Rock. Free commercial Radio is full of it and I can get that in my car or just anywhere on FM Radio. So when I want to sit down and really LISTEN to music, I put on an album or a playlist that really appeals to me.
Have you ever sat down to listen to Beethoven's 7th symphony on high end speakers/headphones in its entirety and not done anything else alongside (well, maybe sip a nice vino) ?
I've survived the A.D.D. culture and that's where I'm different than most these days. I own over 5000 albums, mostly on CD and about 75% of that is in my iTunes library ripped in ALAC, the remainder is stuff I casually bought in iTunes Plus format. Discovering new artists is mostly done on free Spotify at less than 6hrs a month, so hence, my need for Apple Music is close to zero.
I would dare to guess that most Jazz & Classical Music aficionados agree that 256kbps quality is noticeably worse for those genres than listening to it on CD or ripped lossless thru a nice DAC. Furthermore, dynamic range compression on most "Mastered for iTunes" albums is a pet peeve of mine. Even worse for Pop/Rock albums. My 1985 "Brothers in Arms" CD sounds much better than the heavily compressed iTunes version offered for today's MP3 beaten-down ears of younger generations.
dragje
macrumors 6502a
Hi there! Oops, you got me there!
you cornered me with my own mistake! Point taken, you're right. God thanks my girlfriend doesn't read this.Yeah, erhm well 1000 is a very nice collection as well if you ask me. Ok almost 3000 is more but I'm doing this for about fifteen years now? And of course, it's not about amount, I'm sure I've got titles not worthy of my collection. I mean, I don't have 2700 favorites so to speak
I buy movies from all over the continent, American productions, Asian, European (a lot), Russia within a timespan of the beginning of movie making towards well... now. But if I need to make a choice then the early seventies would be my favorite period. But's that's all taste of course. I don't have laserdisc though. Are Laserdisc players are still available on the market?
Yes, that's my problem with what Netflix has to offer. I don't condemn people using Netflix, by all means, but for me it's just paying for a collection that doesn't interest me. I also like to discover new titels, I really hope that one day something like Apple's Music Store, in order of amount music titles they offer, will be accessible for movie lovers like us.
So now, what's any of that got to do with spending $120 a year on renting MUSIC from Apple ?
I get what you're saying, access to the entire iTunes catalog is more encompassing of ALL music out there versus Netflix's percentage of all movies out there, right ?
But that's beside the point that I prefer a fine dining restaurant over an all-you-can-eat place.
Music listening is mostly done in one of 2 ways;
attentive, active listening without distraction and
background listening while doing other things, such as working, driving, eating, fff...ishing ? and other pleasant pursuits
I understand what you're trying to say and I agree. It's indeed personal and a matter of perception on how you look at it and embrace the experience when listening to music. I can only state that I live in a big city, well, big... metropolis cities like London or New York makes Amsterdam look like a small rabbit hole occupied by Hobbits. Anyway, I do live in Amsterdam and in a nice apartment but.... I've got neighbours and well, the walls here are not that thick to put it mildly. To explain it in decent words, I can almost predict when the neighbors will get the baby each time they have....well I'm sure you understand what I'm trying to say... So music for me, to listen to it with very good equipment and with decent sound is no option for me I'm afraid. IF I would have thick walls I would buy myself a huge high quality hifi set and then I would also consider buying CD's because the quality is still better then streaming music. But then I would also have the equipment that enables me to hear the difference.
Now, you might think: but movies makes sound too! True! I've got an agreement with both all of my neighbors that I can watch movies during weekends. You could draw the line further on stating that I could also listen to music but I keep it with one hobby which is, for my standards, costly enough ^^
Yes, but not at where I live. I simply don't have good enough equipment to fully get the experience you're describing unfortunately.
In that given context you're absolutely right. I just use Spotify, and probably Apple's Music soon, for background music when I work in my studio. I'm a designer for over twenty years now and music is more about creating an atmosphere where I can work in, if you understand what I mean. But I do know a little bit about music, enough to be picky in what I want to hear depending on the state of mood I'm in. For me services like Spotify or Apple Music enables me to create my own playlist and acces those quickly based on my mood.
I understand. Gosh, I had 'Brothers in Arms' on CD long time ago. Great album! That aside, is Tidal not something you might be interested in? They offer high quality streaming, something for people like you with high quality equipment?
Anyway, thanks for you kind reply and explanation of your view on this all. I agree, it's just a matter on how you're dealing with music and/or movies for that matter.
tentales
macrumors 6502a
Hi there! Oops, you got me there!
I didn't mean to "get you", just pointing out that both you and me in the past have underestimated the amount spend on everything from records, tapes, laserdisc, DVDs, etc.It's frightening sometimes.
Yeah, erhm well 1000 is a very nice collection as well if you ask me. Ok almost 3000 is more but I'm doing this for about fifteen years now? And of course, it's not about amount, I'm sure I've got titles not worthy of my collection. I mean, I don't have 2700 favorites so to speak
I buy movies from all over the continent, American productions, Asian, European (a lot), Russia within a timespan of the beginning of movie making towards well... now. But if I need to make a choice then the early seventies would be my favorite period. But's that's all taste of course. I don't have laserdisc though. Are Laserdisc players are still available on the market?
Oh no, Laserdiscs are long dead, except for a few enthusiasts. I tried selling my $10K worth collection back in 2010 and ended up waiting a year for a buyer, till somebody finally paid me $500 for the lot. Should've sold them 10 years earlier.
So, I have a few hundred Blurays/DVDs of which I would call about 50 my "inner circle" of favourites, with another 150 or so that I would watch between 2-5 times. As we age, our tastes change and what I found funny at 18, I no longer find amusing in my late 40s.
Well, there's a few great TV shows on it, like "Breaking Bad" or "The Killing" or "Weed" or Netflix's own productions like "House of Cards", not sure if you can get those in the Netherlands, but VPN or DNS spoofing is your friend to watch the US Netflix catalog
The occasional blockbuster. at the cost of 1 discounted Bluray per month I find Netflix worth it and if it gets stale for a while, one can always unsubscribe for a few months and return when fresh content is there in quantity.
I understand what you're trying to say and I agree. It's indeed personal and a matter of perception on how you look at it and embrace the experience when listening to music. I can only state that I live in a big city, well, big... metropolis cities like London or New York makes Amsterdam look like a small rabbit hole occupied by Hobbits. Anyway, I do live in Amsterdam and in a nice apartment but.... I've got neighbours and well, the walls here are not that thick to put it mildly. To explain it in decent words, I can almost predict when the neighbors will get the baby each time they have....well I'm sure you understand what I'm trying to say... So music for me, to listen to it with very good equipment and with decent sound is no option for me I'm afraid. IF I would have thick walls I would buy myself a huge high quality hifi set and then I would also consider buying CD's because the quality is still better then streaming music. But then I would also have the equipment that enables me to hear the difference.
Now, you might think: but movies makes sound too! True! I've got an agreement with both all of my neighbors that I can watch movies during weekends. You could draw the line further on stating that I could also listen to music but I keep it with one hobby which is, for my standards, costly enough ^^
Amsterdam is great. Really friendly liberal people, for the most part. Had lots of biz meetings in your city.
I'm European myself but have lived all over the world.
In my younger years I rented apartments in France & Switzerland and walls are never thick enough to avoid the neighbours. My forming years in Australia got me appreciating more distance between neighbours, so after a few other countries, I'm currently settled in Canada in a small town with lotsa space and I can play music as loud as a want.
Yes, but not at where I live. I simply don't have good enough equipment to fully get the experience you're describing unfortunately.
Oh gosh, a pair of $300 Sennheisers plugged into an $800 receiver fed by optical cable from my Mac Mini produces fantastic sound quality. I'm more a music-aficionado that an audiophile that would spend insane amounts on equipment. I spend it on content, ie. CDs, but try to find a middle ground when it comes to playback equipment.
Exactly! You're the perfect target market for Apple Music, Spotify, Rdio, etc.
I'm less focused on creating an atmosphere, because I have specific artists and specific albums that generate memories, pleasure and soothing thoughts that I play over and over. Diana Krall, Eliane Elias and Herbie Hancock are just some of my favs. (I'm a Jazz pianist, hence I like piano players
)Ahh you forgot. I don't much like paying for streaming. Tidal will not last past 2015, unless Jay Z wants to pump his money into a bottomless pit. Apple Music will be a player next to Spotify and Rdio might survive too with lower price offerings like they've just introduced with their $3.99 limited tier premium.
Anyway, thanks for you kind reply and explanation of your view on this all. I agree, it's just a matter on how you're dealing with music and/or movies for that matter.
Likewise. Rare to have a mature discussion here on MR. You sound like people from when MR started in the early 2000s. I was one of the earliest members here, but skipped out for a couple of years before rejoining in 2010 and was stunned how immature and confrontational this forum has become, but that's true of just about any internet comments section these days.
So cheerio mate, you sound like a decent bloke.
Benjamin Frost
Suspended
Well, I just had a concerted hunt on iTunes.
For pop music, I really don't need more than a 90 second preview to seek out new music. For classical, it would be more of a benefit. If Apple reduced the sub to £2 a month, I might bite. As I spend £24 a year on iTunes Match already, I think that would be reasonable.
What I'd really like is a sub that includes everything in iTunes, nothing excepted. Music, music video, film, tv, audiobooks, ebooks, podcasts, iOS apps, Mac apps and in-app purchases. Now that I might be prepared to pay £10 ($10) a month for.
For pop music, I really don't need more than a 90 second preview to seek out new music. For classical, it would be more of a benefit. If Apple reduced the sub to £2 a month, I might bite. As I spend £24 a year on iTunes Match already, I think that would be reasonable.
What I'd really like is a sub that includes everything in iTunes, nothing excepted. Music, music video, film, tv, audiobooks, ebooks, podcasts, iOS apps, Mac apps and in-app purchases. Now that I might be prepared to pay £10 ($10) a month for.
Jstuts5797
macrumors 6502a
I'd easily pay $50 for such a service and just drop cable TV completely. No way all that would only be worth $10 a month.
Having watches the oculus keynote I can say the Apple keynote was very good, the oculus keynote now that was sloppy
WordsmithMR
macrumors 6502
The real selling point will be App integration. No one is going to subscribe if Apple is going to lock up its music (like it does with a lot of features) and don't let dj-ing/video apps access it like Spotify and other music services do.
WordsmithMR
macrumors 6502
It's called market rate. This is why a lot of fast food restaurants sell their food for around the same price and why apartments in the same neighborhood go for around the same price... And all go up in price and all seem to have similar promotions at the same time.