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Apple really needs to answer the question - why no 4K support?
I think it's primarily a content issue. Apple won't do a 4K solution until it starts selling it in the iTunes Store. Further there is a band with issue that hasn't really been solved. The whole net neutrality thing was partly and argument for bandwidth with many carriers not up to delivering that type of content to a wide area of customers. Right now there are a handful that get their 4K on YouTube and other places. But as far as mainstream, it just isn't there.

Is it coming? Sure hardware has made leaps with 4K, 5k, and the new DisplayPort protocols supporting 8k. So it is coming, just not right this minute.

In short comes down to lack of content (via iTunes, not other options), lack of infrastructure (not that Apple has anything to do with this, but fiber is coming to many carriers/providers as well as faster speeds with older technologies). Until those are no longer issues we will see what we have now. To further back my claims, remember Apple is all about "the experience" and mainstream isn't paying for the fastest connections, which causes Apple support to field calls for "why does it say my movie will be ready in 27 hours...".
 
Translation: We are still having problems with content providers cooperating so It will remain an "Add-On" for the moment.

'for the moment'? How about far into the future. Networks aren't going to give away their golden eggs anytime soon. Why would they?
 
I'm very excited about the new apple tv. It appears they have a good start and, from this interview, have a lot of stuff planned for it. I have 2 hopes: 1. they are aggressive at rolling out features - not just annually like iOS but twice a year - three times a year... When the feature is ready - roll it out. 2. They are able to get the networks to create their own apps and add tons of features (like the mentioned "like" button). I also think they need to build social into it - trending shows across apple tv - shared watch lists... Cable boxes are dead - they've been dead for awhile but we haven't had an alternative. They never have a processor powerful enough and their UI's are horrible, to say the least. Why should i have to manage a DVR - let the network do it for me - they have all the shows.
 
The big networks are going to loose out as they make there content harder to access.. Netflix/Hulu continue to add their own content it only makes it more simple to cut the cord as I forget about those shows that I cant watch or have to jump through hoops to watch.
 
The only thing I noticed in that interview is Eddy's chipped tooth. :oops:
 
With all these changes he is talking about the new Apple TV, they couldn't make the Apple TV 4K ready, really. So far my Roku 4 it's doing a great job. And yes I do own a bunch of Apple products!
 
Most of Apple's biggest failures in the past decade have been under the direction of Eddie Cue.
1) iTunes Match
2) Apple Music
3) This disappointing new Apple TV
4) Apple Pay, which has been slooowwwww to roll out and gain traction

Or maybe he's that good at selling sand and snake oil that Apple figured their broken product along the line could be sold by none other than the man himself.
 
"We love working with our partners. We're great at technology, and they're great at creating content, and we think that's a great partnership to have."

Gotta love the non-answer answer. Eddy could become a politician.
I'm not sure it was a non-answer. Apple is all about creating a great platform and ecosystem. They don't need to get in the content creation business just like they don't need to become a record company.
 
The answer is pretty simple. Almost no one has a 4K television and they're not exactly lining up in droves to upgrade from the 1080p sets they just bought a couple years ago.
exactly. It is the TV companies pushing 4K on the consumer and is nowhere near the leap 1080p was from SD. 4K being mainstream probably will not happen b.c 8K will be available by time people are really ready to upgrade.

This answer would be simple except both your responses ignore that Apple seems to be going all-in on 4K/5K. They've upgrade their line-up with 4K capabilities, with the notable exception being the ATV. The exact argument you use to justify the exclusion (lack of content) flies in the face of what Apple has done with their other products.

I have no idea what the reason is, but lack of content can't be it. What 4K content is there for the iPhone?
 
This answer would be simple except both your responses ignore that Apple seems to be going all-in on 4K/5K. They've upgrade their line-up with 4K capabilities, with the notable exception being the ATV. The exact argument you use to justify the exclusion (lack of content) flies in the face of what Apple has done with their other products.

I have no idea what the reason is, but lack of content can't be it. What 4K content is there for the iPhone?

It makes sense on the phone and iMac b.c there are real benefits to working with that amount of real-estate when editing (record the video in 4k to edit on the iMac). With TV, it really does not make sense. HDR is great, but the increase resolution of 4K when watching TV is quite frankly useless.

Apple really didn't put 4k on the ATV because of the hardware though. That is my real guess. Even though I find it less important, it was probably b.c the hardware for the ATV has been ready for a while and the software was not. They didn;t even use the a8x.
 
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It's really amusing how Apple tries to sell their "We believe the future of TV are apps!" as an Apple "worthy" stroke of genius revolution like the iPod/iPhone/iPad was. Yes, the future of TV are apps ... We already know this for years from other devices like Roku, Amazon Fire TV etc. and our smart TVs themselves.

And yet none of those devices have managed to create 1/10th the press and interest of most people that the ATV is. I had a Roku. They're smart folks over there, but their interface will never touch Apple's. The Fire? Please. Amazon is a great shopping site. But their UI, even on the shopping site is pretty messy. Smart TVs are the worst, and I wish they would just die in a fire. They're usually slow and buggy, and most of the manufacturers leave last year's UI in the dust when they release their new TVs. So you're stuck with a stagnated and hard to use UI on your TV that's going to last for 10 years. I wish someone would just please, please create a high quality "dumb" TV. Hell, I don't even need a tuner. Just a monitor.

Apple will bring the same smooth transition between their various platforms, and the power of the best app ecosystem in the world to the ATV, and it will change the game. You can bank on it.
 
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I'm not sure it was a non-answer. Apple is all about creating a great platform and ecosystem. They don't need to get in the content creation business just like they don't need to become a record company.

I agree they should stay out of the content creation biz, but Eddy still didn't answer the question, he just gave a prepared statement.
 
As someone who owns the Amazon Fire stick, a Roku 3, an Apple TV and the Amazon Fire set-top box itself.... part of the problem is that each of these devices has at least 1 unique feature.

The AppleTV box is the only one that's going to support AirPlay, for example. And for many people, that alone is what sells the box. (My office has one in each conference room so people can easily put Keynote presentations up on the TV without having to run a long video cable to the laptop to do it.) It's also an obvious choice if you're someone who purchased TV shows or movies from the iTunes store, or wants to rent them from it.

The Amazon Fire Stick is great as a low-price option, but having used one for a while on my kid's TV in the basement -- we find it regularly freezes up or has issues losing the wi-fi connection and needs to be reset. It's only a matter of unplugging it from its HDMI port for 10 seconds or so and plugging it back in to fix, but it's still an annoyance. It's acceptable for her situation, but I would want something more stable for a nice home theater type setup in a living room, on a good quality TV.

I like the Roku 3, but I'm still a little hesitant to recommend it as "the best choice". For starters, I know way too many people who had one die on them. I think the quality of the hardware in them is a bit suspect. Mine has been working fine for quite a while now, but I have had a number of times where I had to unplug the power to the back of it and plug it back in because it froze up. (Again, for an appliance like this with no moving parts, these freezes/hangs shouldn't really happen. This wouldn't have been acceptable if people's DVD player or VCR just froze and needed to be unplugged/plugged back in every so often to get it going again.) To its credit though, it was one of the first set-top boxes of its type to support the remote as a game controller.

The regular Amazon Fire set-top box has been pretty reliable (no real freezes requiring hard reboots I can recall, to date) and I like the voice command capabilities in the remote for it. Like the Roku - you can install a Plex client on it too, which can justify its existence by itself if one is a big Plex user with a good library set up on a Plex server in the house. Unfortunately, it tries to do fancy control of the TV over the HDMI port and our TV and sound-bar combo doesn't quite get along with that. (Apparently, it tries to send commands to power on the TV when it's powered on, and to switch the TV's input to a specific one. Cool concept but it just gets things messed up in our case.)


Can someone explain to me why in the world anyone would buy an overpriced Apple TV? I used to think Roku was king, but when the $40 Amazon TV Fire Stick came out, that all changed. (And it goes on sale quite often for much less).
I guess some could argue that the Amazon Stick is Android, and they might not like that, but just based off of consuming media alone (netflix, movie rentals, hulu,etc....), the stick is really blazing fast, affordable, and overall really user friendly.
 
The big networks are going to loose out as they make there content harder to access.. Netflix/Hulu continue to add their own content it only makes it more simple to cut the cord as I forget about those shows that I cant watch or have to jump through hoops to watch.

Absolutely. I'm pretty much already there. I have an ATV, iTunes and Netflix. If I have to get a cable subscription or sign up & enter some silly code just to watch a show, I just skip it and move on to something else. The major networks have already lost me as a customer. Their content is just really not worth the hassle anyway.
 
I think they should have thought bigger picture. They could have introduced an all-in-one solution combining what Roku offers and Tablo (a dvr that connect to an antenna and hard drive) to truly cater to those who wanted to cut the cord.
 
It's really amusing how Apple tries to sell their "We believe the future of TV are apps!" as an Apple "worthy" stroke of genius revolution like the iPod/iPhone/iPad was. Yes, the future of TV are apps ... We already know this for years from other devices like Roku, Amazon Fire TV etc. and our smart TVs themselves.

What you neglect to make note of is the fact that Apple created this category back in 2006 with iTV. long before any of these clones existed. So yes - it was apples "stroke of genius".
 
Eddy Cue oozes self-delusion, self-satisfaction and smugness. He really comes across as such a snake-oil salesman, I always cringe when he speaks at keynotes.
As a fellow Cuban, I have to take issue with your comments.... wait..... Oops, no you're right.

And yet, he seems to be the master negotiator for all the major deals. So somehow he must be doing something right. (week, but you know I had to try and help the Cuban :) )
 
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