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Eddy Cue oozes self-delusion, self-satisfaction and smugness. He really comes across as such a snake-oil salesman, I always cringe when he speaks at keynotes.

Totally agree. He's a smug, unlikeable, lumbering schlub on stage and comes across in a very unprofessional manner. And most the problems I have with Apple these days involve half-baked "services", especially iCloud, all of which is his domain. But Apple is changing and Eddy represents the new Apple to me, less about producing great technology and more about fashion, lifestyle, and nickel and diming the customer with shoddy services.
 
This was basically damage control. The new Apple TV isn't really ready for prime time it seems. No Apple Music support for Siri until next year, same antiquated method of signing in to tv everywhere providers. I may get it if I see software improvements but for now, my 3rd gen will do just fine

Agreed. I was so excited for a new Apple TV until I started reading more about it. It sounds solid enough, but I haven't seen a compelling reason yet to replace my ATV3. Maybe we'll change our tune when apps start rolling out. Since I don't subscribe to cable or satellite, however, I can't login to various channel apps like CBS, etc., so that content isn't available. I'm very happy with commercial free Hulu + Netflix + the occasional Apple purchase on ATV3. I think from a professional/studio content standpoint, we're not going to see much new stuff on ATV4 over ATV3. I'm sure there will be lots of cat video apps and such, but the major content creators aren't going to suddenly start selling us shows via apps or letting us build a la carte channel packages.
 
It's a true cable cutting experience for me. US television news is garbage, so I have no need for CNN, I don't care about broadcast television, and I could care less about ESPN. The AppleTV is all I need. On the rare occasions, when I do watch something on broadcast TV, I receive it over the air. I haven't had cable since May 2009. The overwhelming majority of cable TV channels are trash. USA network, Bravo, the "History Channel", A&E channel, Lifetime, who needs them? Does anybody really watch this ****?

I am almost there with you. The only thing I miss about cutting the cord is baseball. I really hope that MLB figures out how to give me access to in-market games with the MLB TV package. I'd pay $200 a season for it. Especially if I could subscribe to the playoffs without a cable account.
 
er, how do i access my existing iTunes purchase history on either of those devices? I'm happily part of the apple ecosystem, so if it doesnt do iTunes content its DOA for me.

iTunes is a major provider, and it doesnt support iTunes content.

That's not Amazon's fault. It's funny how we're returning to the land of balkanized services and DRM. Look at Apple Music. Steve Jobs railed against DRM and completely changed the music industry. Now, 8 years later, we're back to being locked in via subscription services. DRM all over again and Apple is happy to oblige. Instead of open formats and interoperable services, we're supposed to buy multiple devices and pay for multiple services.
 
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Why put an app that directs a customer to a direct competitor's store to purchase content?

They already do it. There are movies you can watch on HBO and Netflix that you would otherwise need to rent or buy from iTunes.

But I will be very surprised if Amazon doesn't have an tvOS app very soon. As far as Vudu is concerned no thanks. They're just another rental store, and they lost their only draw when Walmart bought them and took away the porn. LOL.
 
It's a true cable cutting experience for me. US television news is garbage, so I have no need for CNN, I don't care about broadcast television, and I could care less about ESPN. The AppleTV is all I need. On the rare occasions, when I do watch something on broadcast TV, I receive it over the air. I haven't had cable since May 2009. The overwhelming majority of cable TV channels are trash. USA network, Bravo, the "History Channel", A&E channel, Lifetime, who needs them? Does anybody really watch this ****?

Apparently people do. I don't. But I also don't go criticizing or insinuating no one watches them. I'm sure it was written as sarcasm - but do you really need to ask such a question when "reality tv" is so prevalent?
 
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That's not Amazon's fault. It's funny how we're returning to the land of balkanized services and DRM. Look at Apple Music. Steve Jobs railed against DRM and completely changed the music industry. Now, 8 years later, we're back to being locked in via subscription services. DRM all over again and Apple is happy to oblige. Instead of open formats and interoperable services, we're supposed to buy multiple devices and pay for multiple services.

Subscription music streaming services are a product of consumer demand. People like the idea of being able to listen to anything, anytime (even though most of them still only listen to a few artists and playlists).

Nobody's locking you into a music subscription service. You're still free to buy music and keep it DRM free.
 
In fact, everything Apple produces nowadays is an add-on, except the Mac (well, for the moment).
 
Subscription music streaming services are a product of consumer demand. People like the idea of being able to listen to anything, anytime (even though most of them still only listen to a few artists and playlists).

Nobody's locking you into a music subscription service. You're still free to buy music and keep it DRM free.

For now. But as they push us towards subscriptions, we're right back to DRM. Subscriptions are the polar opposite of Steve Jobs' vision for the music industry. Everyone listening to Spotify, Apple Music, etc. is tacitly supporting DRM. Give it another 5-10 years and the idea of DRM-free content will be a fond memory.
 
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Subscription music streaming services are a product of consumer demand. People like the idea of being able to listen to anything, anytime (even though most of them still only listen to a few artists and playlists).

Nobody's locking you into a music subscription service. You're still free to buy music and keep it DRM free.

True. Allow me to get nostalgic. I do sometimes miss going into a record (yes record) store and thumbing through the albums. Never knowing what you might find. Will that new release or oldie turn up so you can "grab" it. The anticipation of going to the store... Now I love that I can get what I want (usually) when I want - but it's definitely not as exciting. Scanning products online isn't the same as that flipping through albums. And seeing those album covers - BIG album covers right in your hand.

/end nostalgia
 
Can someone explain to me why in the world anyone would buy an overpriced Apple TV? I used to think Roku was king, but when the $40 Amazon TV Fire Stick came out, that all changed. (And it goes on sale quite often for much less).
I guess some could argue that the Amazon Stick is Android, and they might not like that, but just based off of consuming media alone (netflix, movie rentals, hulu,etc....), the stick is really blazing fast, affordable, and overall really user friendly.

My interest is not primarily streaming video. I'm more interested in AirPlay for my personal content both locally and in the cloud. Apple Music and iTunes. Games, which no one in this category is implemented in any meaningful way and I'm hoping that changes now.
 
In fact, everything Apple produces nowadays is an add-on, except the Mac (well, for the moment).

Correction. Everything Apple produces nowadays is an add-on, except for the iPhone. 70%-ish of revenue is iPhone. The Mac hasn't been Apple's focus for years.
 
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True. Allow me to get nostalgic. I do sometimes miss going into a record (yes record) store and thumbing through the albums. Never knowing what you might find. Will that new release or oldie turn up so you can "grab" it. The anticipation of going to the store... Now I love that I can get what I want (usually) when I want - but it's definitely not as exciting. Scanning products online isn't the same as that flipping through albums. And seeing those album covers - BIG album covers right in your hand.

/end nostalgia

I miss that too. I think the ease of access to content has made us far less passionate about the arts, music in particular. It's now a product, easily tossed aside when the next thing comes along. I feel sorry for kids that they'll never know the thrill of rummaging through the import CD and LP sections at Tower and finding something truly special, something you couldn't wait to get home and play. Now it's just gorge yourself at the subscription trough.

What worries me about the emphasis on subscription content is that a few companies become the arbiters of what we're allowed to see and hear. If I buy an album, I own it. Unless someone comes into my house and takes it from me, I can listen to it again and again. If all of my music, movies, etc. come via subscriptions, what happens when Apple (or Amazon, or...) decides to pull something from the catalog? Poof. The potential for censorship is high since these days no one wants to "offend" anyone, so controversial content and ideas become dangerous. Right now we still have choices, but the writing is on the wall.
 
I miss that too. I think the ease of access to content has made us far less passionate about the arts, music in particular. It's now a product, easily tossed aside when the next thing comes along. I feel sorry for kids that they'll never know the thrill of rummaging through the import CD and LP sections at Tower and finding something truly special, something you couldn't wait to get home and play. Now it's just gorge yourself at the subscription trough.

What worries me about the emphasis on subscription content is that a few companies become the arbiters of what we're allowed to see and hear. If I buy an album, I own it. Unless someone comes into my house and takes it from me, I can listen to it again and again. If all of my music, movies, etc. come via subscriptions, what happens when Apple (or Amazon, or...) decides to pull something from the catalog? Poof. The potential for censorship is high since these days no one wants to "offend" anyone, so controversial content and ideas become dangerous. Right now we still have choices, but the writing is on the wall.

Agreed. Especially your comment about the arts. It's also de-valued the arts for the same reason. And like you - while I enjoy the cloud and what it brings as far as accessibility - I still (and will always) buy hard copies of things I want to own. Even if I have to keep converting the format to keep it playable. For movies I want to keep and are worth it - I buy blu-rays happily. Because while these streaming services can claim HD content, the bitrate isn't remotely close - nor is the audio.
 
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Of course. He was never going to answer the question directly but I think his indirect answer was we'll provide the technology and someone else can provide the content.

That's what I get out of his answer too, and I hope that's the case, but since he dodged the question, one can't be certain of the answer.
 
If Apple can offer an unlimited sub to the iTunes Movie/TV store for ~£25/month, I'll kick my Netflix sub in a heartbeat.
So you are presently paying £7.49 a month for Netflix and you want to give apple £25 a month. There is always going to be some restrictions from the Studio's on what and when things gets streamed.
 
er, how do i access my existing iTunes purchase history on either of those devices? I'm happily part of the apple ecosystem, so if it doesnt do iTunes content its DOA for me.

iTunes is a major provider, and it doesnt support iTunes content.

Apple TV doesn't support Amazon Prime, either. More importantly, Apple TV doesn't support web browser based TV/Movie services.
 
Eddy just not as good at side stepping clearly targeted questions as Tim is in those situations. I think apple wants to side step the cable companies and there is a territorial fight there. They cable companies don't want this to happen so they are willing to lock content providers down. This is complicated for content creators cause well people are moving away from cable due not just to cost but how horrible the experience is. I think if my stream frags out we accept that cause we give up rock solid reliability for flexibility.
 
Apple needs to get it's own video streaming service rolling. Then I can have my music and video services straight from Apple for one fee.

And if that happens, it will be way higher than your current cable service fee, given Apple's cliff-high pricing habit.
 
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Apple TV doesn't support Amazon Prime, either. More importantly, Apple TV doesn't support web browser based TV/Movie services.

And that's ok. The device for you then, would be the Amazon Fire TV. This is a a competition between Eco systems.
 
Apple needs to get it's own video streaming service rolling. Then I can have my music and video services straight from Apple for one fee.

Not sure you want that given the reliability of their cloud services to date. Also, pretty sure that Apple wants content providers to be responsible for their own streams.

And like the previous poster said - it wouldn't be cheaper for the consumer.
 
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