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I've had Rokus, both the 2 and the 3. I *hate* the remote on Roku. The buttons of spongey and give no feedback, the shape is odd, and the dedicated service buttons are pointless. It's the worst. The UI is also awful and super laggy.
It's a remote with 4 buttons. It's not a keyboard.
 
I love the Apple TV, 4K is not big deal for me, but i will not buy the device, until i get a confirmation about Apple's own TV app and content
Personally im glad Apple didn't released a game-pad out the box, wich i think was poor decision from Apple's competition
 
Not limited to, but Amazon Prime is only available on Amazon streaming devices, as is iTunes on Apple TV.

Hulu, Netflix, HBO, etc are available on multiple platforms.
Not at all. It works with all the major providers, (Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Crackle, ESPN... just to name a few.) Also, if there is an Android app for your provider then it will work with the Amazon Stick.

OK, Thanks.
 
"We love working with our partners. We're great at technology, and they're great at creating content, and we think that's a great partnership to have."

Gotta love the non-answer answer. Eddy could become a politician.
You think that's a non-answer? Earlier this month, in an interview with NPR where they asked if Apple was working on a car, Tim Cook said, "Do you have another question?" after he rambled on about the new iPhone 6S and the new Apple TV. THAT is a non-answer.

This quote from Eddy is actually a pretty clear indication that he thinks that content-creators ("they're great at creating content") and Apple's technology would make a great partnership. That answer sounds like, "We're working on it," which is widely believed to be the truth.
 
For me: Airplay. None of the other boxes or sticks have it, but w/ Airplay I have all of the functionality of the other boxes.

As for overpriced -- ATV3, which is the box comparable to Roku3 and Fire Stick is $69 or less. So same price as Roku3 and $20 buck more than Fire Stick. Hardly seems to attain the "overpriced" label you slap on it. ATV4 is a different animal and competes with the regular Fire TV box. That one is $99 but also only has 8GB of storage to ATV4's 32GB. So ATV4 also seems to be priced in-line w/ competitors.


I use AirPlay on my Fire Stick every day.
 
It's a remote with 4 buttons. It's not a keyboard.

4 buttons? I count 20!

Why is the select button not in the middle of the 4 direction buttons? Why is the play button, probably the most used button, so tiny? Who needs dedicated Netflix, Amazon, Rdio, and Sling buttons? Is it that hard to navigate to those in the UI (oh wait, yes it is). What is a * button for? Why do you need fast forward and rewind buttons when the directional pad is right above? That's confusing. Oh, and did the button press register? I have no idea because the button doesn't actually *click* and the UI takes way too long to respond. At least I understand the Roku4 might actually have a quicker response now, but it doesn't fix anything of other other terrible design choices.

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Using the app "AllCast" I can Airplay to Roku, XBOX360, PS4 and just about any other device. Where have you been??

AllCast is NOT Airplay. Where have you been? ;) Close yet different.

I use AirPlay on my Fire Stick every day.

Not natively. You have an app. That just add to the layer of complexity and incompatibility. I have no issues with Airplay from my Mac or iPads. It's why I stick with ATV as the OP asked.
 
I use Apple Music everyday and enjoy it

Apple Pay works beautifully, most banks are on board, it's the store that need to adopt, nothing Apple can do for that
Apple Music is inferior to Spotify, period. Fewer songs, a UI that many find confusing, and that can't do as much (i.e. create a new playlist from a song or album page.) No significant updates in UI or functionality, painfully slow addition of more artists and labels.

I would love to use Apple Music because I like using everything in the same ecosystem, but when the product is demonstrably inferior it's hard to justify.

Hilarious that you have anointed yourself as the arbiter of declaring all of these successful services/products failures.

By whose standards would you say that a 4 month old music streaming service with 15 million subscribers is a failure?

I'm just going by my own standards as a user.
And what, exactly is disappointing about an Apple TV that brings with it great interaction upgrades like Siri

Personally (and of course this is a subjective personal opinion), I hardly ever use Siri. When I do, she's slow and misunderstands things.

universal search

To me it's not universal without Amazon support, or some way to integrate with your cable provider's on-demand offerings (or better yet, DVR).

a great remote that also acts as a game controller

...and costs more than the PS4 and XBox One controllers! Those are amazing, dedicated gaming controllers and they're pricey, but they're still less expensive than the Apple remote!

and an app store that will soon be the envy of all of their competitors?

This is the one enticing new feature to me.
 
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And if that happens, it will be way higher than your current cable service fee, given Apple's cliff-high pricing habit.

I would beg to differ here - Apple Music is competitively priced and the range of music is superior to any other streaming service that I have used. The iCloud storage prices are fair and have recently been made even more affordable.

Not sure you want that given the reliability of their cloud services to date. Also, pretty sure that Apple wants content providers to be responsible for their own streams.

And like the previous poster said - it wouldn't be cheaper for the consumer.

Given that I have had hardly any issues with Apple Music since its release I would say I could rely on Apple to provide a video streaming service which I would only be using at most 3 hours a day.

When you consider Netflix is £9 a month for a fairly large set of content I think Apple's wallet would allow them to stay within range of this sort of pricing.
 
I wonder if they will update Apple TV 3Gen photos app and Apple Music would be good , this 4 gen Apple TV looks ok for the US but as far as I can see pretty useless anywhere else like even tbe3 gen is mostly for the US market .All I want is to view A few films You tube and stream music the rest is pretty waste of time outside the USA
 
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4 buttons? I count 20!

Why is the select button not in the middle of the 4 direction buttons? Why is the play button, probably the most used button, so tiny? Who needs dedicated Netflix, Amazon, Rdio, and Sling buttons? Is it that hard to navigate to those in the UI (oh wait, yes it is). What is a * button for? Why do you need fast forward and rewind buttons when the directional pad is right above? That's confusing. Oh, and did the button press register? I have no idea because the button doesn't actually *click* and the UI takes way too long to respond. At least I understand the Roku4 might actually have a quicker response now, but it doesn't fix anything of other other terrible design choices.

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Even as a proponent of the options and features or Roku and think it's the best of the bunch, currently.

You're absolutely right on the remote. I Hate it. for All the same reasons you have mentioned. Terrible feeling buttons with inconsistent feedback to know when activated. the Select button is in the most confusing position for some reason, that you end up hitting "search" more often than not and ending up out of your channel at the homescreen. Those A/B buttons don't do anything, unless you game. And those 4 pre-defined buttons are absolutely the most frustrating cluster**** on a remote ever. They're slightly taller than the other buttons, so that they are easier to accidentally press if you're fumbling around in the dark for the remote (which doesn't light up, glow or anything). AND if you do accidentally hit one, you will be promptly whisked out of whatever you are watching into whatever app you just accidentally hit. Even if you're already IN that app that you accidentally hit.

for how good I think Roku has made their devices, their remote control is probably one of the worst I have ever used. I overall like the shape and heft of it, But thats where the positives end.
 
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I don't think there's anything amazing left to do in TV.

That's why the big project that Steve Jobs alluded to never came to fruition. There was a possibility, but the obstacles were too great. I don't think that has changed today, which is why the Apple TV is humdrum.

My analysis of the content scene overall is that digital has peaked, and is now retreating somewhat. Look at books: ebooks are fading. CD and vinyl are still huge. DVD is showing no signs of dying. Live TV is the same as ever. Supposedly the young'uns are all watching YouTube and Facebook, but there's no money there.

The big obstacles to digital are Internet speeds, reliability, longevity and humanity. There is no prospect of a significant improvement in any of these areas; hence, the revival of old media.
 
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I'm just going by my own standards as a user.


Personally (and of course this is a subjective personal opinion), I hardly ever use Siri. When I do, she's slow and misunderstands things.



To me it's not universal without Amazon support, or some way to integrate with your cable provider's on-demand offerings (or better yet, DVR).



...and costs more than the PS4 and XBox One controllers! Those are amazing, dedicated gaming controllers and they're pricey, but they're still less expensive than the Apple remote!



This is the one enticing new feature to me.

So, you admit that your proclamation of Apple Music as a failure is purely your subjective opinion, and not based on anything other than that? And the failure of the Apple TV4 is based on your own inability to find usefulness in Siri?
 
I would beg to differ here - Apple Music is competitively priced and the range of music is superior to any other streaming service that I have used. The iCloud storage prices are fair and have recently been made even more affordable.

Given that I have had hardly any issues with Apple Music since its release I would say I could rely on Apple to provide a video streaming service which I would only be using at most 3 hours a day.

When you consider Netflix is £9 a month for a fairly large set of content I think Apple's wallet would allow them to stay within range of this sort of pricing.

Perhaps you don't realize the vast difference in broadcasting/rebroadcasting license fees vs syndicated content. So no - I do not think Apple can provide a cable company level of channels/service at a "reduced" price.

Even as a proponent of the options and features or Roku and think it's the best of the bunch, currently.

You're absolutely right on the remote. I Hate it. for All the same reasons you have mentioned. Terrible feeling buttons with inconsistent feedback to know when activated. the Select button is in the most confusing position for some reason, that you end up hitting "search" more often than not and ending up out of your channel at the homescreen. Those A/B buttons don't do anything, unless you game. And those 4 pre-defined buttons are absolutely the most frustrating cluster**** on a remote ever. They're slightly taller than the other buttons, so that they are easier to accidentally press if you're fumbling around in the dark for the remote (which doesn't light up, glow or anything). AND if you do accidentally hit one, you will be promptly whisked out of whatever you are watching into whatever app you just accidentally hit. Even if you're already IN that app that you accidentally hit.

for how good I think Roku has made their devices, their remote control is probably one of the worst I have ever used. I overall like the shape and heft of it, But thats where the positives end.

I don't know what remote you guys are using I have a Roku 3 which has 10 buttons and a directional panel. two of those buttons are dedicated for gaming. So really 8 and a directional panel.
 
I don't know what remote you guys are using I have a Roku 3 which has 10 buttons and a directional panel. two of those buttons are dedicated for gaming. So really 8 and a directional panel.
we got the one in the picture he linked.
 
Yeah, I would really like to see a 12 part mini series with Bono and U2.....
User experience. If you don't believe that TV watching should be simpler and more intuitive, then I'm afraid there isn't much to be gained from further discussion.

What is there to be gained?

With live TV, you can change channel with the press of one button. Boom. Hasn't changed for over fifty years.

The only new thing really is on demand. Nothing more to be done there, other than getting more content available.
 
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AllCast is NOT Airplay. Where have you been? ;) Close yet different.



Not natively. You have an app. That just add to the layer of complexity and incompatibility. I have no issues with Airplay from my Mac or iPads. It's why I stick with ATV as the OP asked.

You install an app on the Fire Stick that continuously runs the AirPlay service on the device. No apps required for any of iOS/OS X devices. Not much in terms of complexity or incompatibility.
 
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Apple TV 3 is "always on" too because there is no power button on the remote either :rolleyes:

I wish Apple knew what they were talking about.

Also, how can Eddy say "it's a much better experience" ya, for Apple, but do they know whats best for customers BEFORE we the masses have used it ?

Just like anything you can't put a judgement on something if its not even hammed on yet... You can only say this based on previous generations did.

Just me 2cents :D
 
Apple needs to put their ego in check and copy the chromecast. There's no need to have another set of apps, that we need to filter and update, on yet another device when we all carry around ipads and iphones. We also don't need yet another remote to look for when we have a phone in our pocket. Adding a casting button to the apps we already have on our phones is the most efficient solution. Apple should copy chromecast, but make it more powerful. I'm sure if apple made a chomecast like device that everyone would add casting to their apps.
 
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