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Eddy Cue needs to be forced to use iCloud.com for his company email, files and documents for the entire year. Then he can write a state of Apple services letter with some conviction. 😂
 
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Their services are all very lacking, they seem like they are playing at it.

Their investment in TV plus has been pathetic given their resources and how much they like to talk about it.

Amazon are showing them way in that regarding, buying up live sports rights all over the world and spending billions on content. They will be a serious player in streaming and Cinema. Apple don't seem to want to compete.
I don't think you're being entirely fair. But I guess we need to define services. If you're talking Apple TV+, sure, I agree with you 100%. I have no idea what they're doing there or, more importantly, why. Seems like someone's vanity project. Arcade is weak. The games are weak. I haven't tried Fitness. I've heard mixed things.

I'm happy with Apple Music. When I think about buying CDs at $15/each when I was a kid, any music service today is an insanely good deal. I don't care for music recommendations, I just want access to the catalog. I still buy music when I really love something and Apple Music is great for trying before I buy. What I really appreciate about Apple Music is that I can still maintain my massive lossless library on my home server and have those tracks show up in my Apple Music Library. No one else offers a desktop music manager than integrates with the cloud and an online music service the way Apple does with Music.

iCloud has also matured nicely. There's no third party cloud offering that comes close to iCloud's deep integrations if you use Apple products. Apple continues to improve iCloud and add important features like the new data protection. I love having everything in sync across all my devices and having native apps to access my data.
 
I don't think you're being entirely fair. But I guess we need to define services. If you're talking Apple TV+, sure, I agree with you 100%. I have no idea what they're doing there or, more importantly, why. Seems like someone's vanity project. Arcade is weak. The games are weak. I haven't tried Fitness. I've heard mixed things.

I'm happy with Apple Music. When I think about buying CDs at $15/each when I was a kid, any music service today is an insanely good deal. I don't care for music recommendations, I just want access to the catalog. I still buy music when I really love something and Apple Music is great for trying before I buy. What I really appreciate about Apple Music is that I can still maintain my massive lossless library on my home server and have those tracks show up in my Apple Music Library. No one else offers a desktop music manager than integrates with the cloud and an online music service the way Apple does with Music.

iCloud has also matured nicely. There's no third party cloud offering that comes close to iCloud's deep integrations if you use Apple products. Apple continues to improve iCloud and add important features like the new data protection. I love having everything in sync across all my devices and having native apps to access my data.

I've used both extensively and I don't think Apple Music is anywhere near Spotify honestly, it handles local files better for sure but it's the other thing it does do better.

Spotifys search fuctionality is much quicker and responsive and I can start listening to an album on one device and hand it off to another even halfway through a track. It's fantastic. Apple hasn't been able to build anything like it and that seems like a strange omission given that handoff fucntionality exists elsewhere in their operating systems. Spotifys recommendation engine is also superb.

The biggest indictment of Apple Music has to be the that when it launched Spotify had 28 million premium subscribers, they've now got 195 million and more than double AMs market share. Ouch!

It's only really useful on Apple devices so I don't really think of iCloud as a service, more an extention of iOS/MacOS but yeah it seems to do what it does fairly well. That said all i use it for basic syncing between my Mac and phone and don't pay for any extra storage. There's no third party that comes close to the integration because they aren't allowed to.
 
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I've used both extensively and I don't think Apple Music is anywhere near Spotify honestly, it handles local files better for sure but it's the other thing it does do better.
I've never been a Spotify user. I tried it out a little years ago, but never took to it primarily because it doesn't handle local files very well, much less a huge off-line library.

Spotifys search fuctionality is much quicker and responsive and I can start listening to an album on one device and hand it off to another even halfway through a track. It's fantastic. Apple hasn't been able to build anything like it and that seems like a strange omission given that handoff fucntionality exists elsewhere in their operating systems. Spotifys recommendation engine is also superb.
That handoff feature sounds cool. Personally I'm not interested in any of these recommendation engines, but I've heard that Spotify is vastly superior.

The biggest indictment of Apple Music has to be the that when it launched Spotify had 28 million premium subscribers, they've now got 195 million and more than double AMs market share. Ouch!
No argument!

It's only really useful on Apple devices so I don't really think of iCloud as a service, more an extention of iOS/MacOS but yeah it seems to do what it does fairly well. That said all i use it for basic syncing between my Mac and phone and don't pay for any extra storage. There's no third party that comes close to the integration because they aren't allowed to.
Of course they're allowed to. Anyone could write a Photos-style desktop app that integrates with a cloud service if they wanted to. No one has. Google has Google Photos on iOS. They haven't written a Mac client, though. Google Photos has pretty good integrations on iOS. There's really no incentive for a third party to reproduce what Apple has built with iCloud because iCloud is that good.
 
Still can't do a simple file search in iCloud Drive on the web.
Nor can we search the content of PDF files stored locally on iPhone or iPad nor do we have Smart Folders in Mail, Files, the Music app, etc despite them being headline features of macOS over 15 years ago
 
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How can you fairly judge something that you "haven't used in years"?

Photo Libraries can be located anywhere. Just hold down the Option key when opening the app. If you choose a cloud service that lets you save files "offline", then those files won't consume any space on your drive until you try to access those files. I haven't tried that with the Photos library, but it should work. Dropbox is one example of such a service.

The point of cloud storage, specifically iCloud, is to have access to your media across Apple devices, so if you choose another cloud provider, how will that work? Set up each device to access the same cloud service?

There are two pieces — (a) photo app, (b) cloud service. You want to change cloud services, so how about changing the app to one that does support multiple cloud services? "PhotoFiler" is an app that seems to support what you need.
I've tried Apple Music, it was ok but platform agnostic enough (typical Apple though). I've tried Apple TV, the UX is horrible and the content lacking (not to mention the price is meh IMO). I've tried News; that's an ordinary app and the whole news cycle is toxic anyway. I haven't tried fitness but that's because I go to a gym and I don't need that. So yeah, I have tried them but they're not worth using. They're the epitome of mediocrity because Apple don't allow 1:1 competition on their own platform.

Thanks for the suggestion on PhotoFiler but I'm not sure if you're serious. The app that came up has an icon that looks like it was designed in MS Paint. I'm also aware of the two components of storing photos. If I could point my Photos app on my phone to store in say OneDrive (where the storage is sooooo much cheaper) and still get the functionality of the Photos app (which in a rare occurrance Apple have done a decent job with) I would be super happy. Do you know if that's possible?
 
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It all makes sense now. The lack of quality features in updates in services like their podcast app and music app isn't because they don't care, it's because they think it's already great. Wish these guys checked out literally any Apple forum on Reddit...
 
I feel like every time I open my Library I startled the sleeping Apple TV and it‘s shocked that it has to go fetch the icon for each purchase. I get a screen of pretty grey rectangles. Oooo aaaah.
Well, it’s not like it’s been happening for years…oh, yes it is.
Sorry if I got sarcasm on anyone.

Seriously. The early 90s called, it wants to tell Apple about caching image files. Magical and Revolutionary new technology.
 
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It all makes sense now. The lack of quality features in updates in services like their podcast app and music app isn't because they don't care, it's because they think it's already great. Wish these guys checked out literally any Apple forum on Reddit...
Why would they check out a forum full of people who have no clue how to actually provide a service? Forum on Reddit... please....
 
Why would they check out a forum full of people who have no clue how to actually provide a service? Forum on Reddit... please....
Steve, it's not about providing a music service. Reddit is a great place to see widespread and very common complaints. It isn't like one person complains about a feature or lack of feature(s) a lot of the issues with AM in particular are widespread.

So, when I mentioned reading through comments/posts on Reddit, it was more for customer feedback to maybe enhance a service that they are already providing. Not to learn how to make a service. A lot of services utilize things like Reddit to get feedback from customers. Some are Spotify, Macrofactor, and Supercell (mobile games).

Be careful not to stick your nose too far in the air. You may accidentally fall over backward.
 
Why would they check out a forum full of people who have no clue how to actually provide a service? Forum on Reddit... please....

They should be checking out all the complaints they get on their own feedback form then. People have been using that feedback form for years and it seems like Apple ignores it, at least when it comes to music. Why even have a feedback form if you're not going to use it.
 
Seriously. The early 90s called, it wants to tell Apple about caching image files. Magical and Revolutionary new technology.
I imagine it's like many other software problems. The developers might be running the latest and greatest hardware with upgraded specs and gigabit or 10 gigabit connections to a server that's maybe hundreds of yards away so "it runs fine for them".
 
I imagine it's like many other software problems. The developers might be running the latest and greatest hardware with upgraded specs and gigabit or 10 gigabit connections to a server that's maybe hundreds of yards away so "it runs fine for them".

Had someone from Microsoft tell me as much over ten years ago. Someone complained about Windows assuming high bandwidth availability all the time and he said “we all have 10 GigE, we don’t really think about it.”

The bay area / west coast reality distortion is real.
 
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I have 4TB of iCloud storage and I need more.
With google photos you can have up to 30TB but the issue is that Live Photos don’t transfer exactly the same, I made a test and it only show some frames.
 
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