Yeah traditionally... that's why they were the last to make USB/FW/WIFI standards in laptops....
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Yeah traditionally... that's why they were the last to make USB/FW/WIFI standards in laptops....
I simply said that more features does not equal a better phone.
I got a Sony Ericsson K800i sitting right next to me. It's a launch model from June 2006.
1. Video recording? Yes
2. MMS? Yes
3. GPS? No. Similar Google Maps application to the iPhone but not as integrated into the firmware.
4. Copy/Paste? Yes
5. Contact Search? Yes
6. a2dp headphone support? Yes
7. 5mp camera? No but a 3.2mp camera with Xenon flash
8. Removable battery? Yes
With almost these features checked is it a better phone than my iPhone???
feature wise it is better than the iphone but unlike the n95/iphone comparison your k800i is not a smartphone so it loses points there and greatly limits the phones functionality.
It is for everything listed except web browsing. You cant even DO most of those things on an iPhone. And its likely the call quality, reception and speaker phone volume are much better.
for anyone using those features, of course it is better phone. for someone who doesn't need them, it's equally good phone.
The iPhone is a great phone with limited features but a superb interface.
The N95 is a great phone with amazing features, but only a reasonable interface.
One will suit some people, the other will suit others. Just because one suits you better does not make it a "better" phone - it just suits you better.
For me the lack of video recording, MMS and user replaceable battery were the deal breakers, so I went for the N95. That doesn't mean that I think the iPhone is a pile of poo - on the contrary I think it's a great phone, just of no use to me.
The N95 is a great phone with amazing features, but only a reasonable interface.
One will suit some people, the other will suit others. Just because one suits you better does not make it a "better" phone - it just suits you better.
For me the lack of video recording, MMS and user replaceable battery were the deal breakers, so I went for the N95. That doesn't mean that I think the iPhone is a pile of poo - on the contrary I think it's a great phone, just of no use to me.
We just did another round of webpage tests, and I still come out on top both of us having full bars. Not only that but his pages are horrible looking and it takes him twice as long to navigate anywhere using the push buttons. The buttons work like a mouse sortof...
The phone is pretty nice, but not nearly as nice as the iphone. For what I use it for, the iphone is better in every aspect.
The phone is pretty nice, but not nearly as nice as the iphone. For what I use it for, the iphone is better in every aspect.
No way- the iPhones internet advantage comes from the fact that the screen is way larger, and the interface is alot nicer. No one has catered their web pages for the iPhone- dont talk nonsense.
Like the the n95, the iPhone has to zoom in and out to make pages legible. The difference is (and its a massive one) is that the touch screen interface (and the ability to quickly read landscape) makes it much quicker, easier and nicer to scan web pages. Once you've used one, you'll appreciate the difference.
FYI- my n95 DOESNT redirect to those 'crappy mobile' sites, it renders the page like a normal web browser.
Maybe I'll pop round yours one day and show you mine?
You are actually on T-Mobiles network, not Virgin's as Virgin don't have a network, they rent it.
FYI- try these sites on your n95: www.amazon.com, www.google.com, www.espn.com, www.nytimes.com, www.bbc.com. when i load them i get the mobile site for each of them.
it has nothing to do with the browser, the n95 and iphone browsers are very very similar. the website is what determines what site is sent to the phone and this is where the iphone gets the advantage from. when you access the above sites on your n95 the site sends you a mobile version even though it is perfectly capable of displaying the full page, while someone on an iphone gets either a much nicer customized page or the full site.
instead of "popping round" to show me your n95 maybe you should learn a little more about how yours works.
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I think it's all about the mobile phone experience that makes the iPhone such a good phone.
The User Interface is not just good - it is so good that it makes using the iPhone so much fun that people (including me) are willing to put up with the lack of features here and there to use one.
If you check my post history you can see that I work for Vodafone and getting the newest phones to use isn't such a big issue for me as it is for people not in the mobile phone industry.
Yet I choose to use an iPhone as my personal phone (my work phone is a Blackberry 8310, not my choice but Vodafone don't sell iPhone's).
You've heard it before already and you know that there are hundreds of phones on the market with more functions than the iPhone all at different price ranges.
But the huge problem with ALMOST ALL of them is that they are not easy, intuitive, slick enough or fun to use.
The User Interface is not just good - it is so good that it makes using the iPhone so much fun that people (including me) are willing to put up with the lack of features here and there to use one.
If you check my post history you can see that I work for Vodafone and getting the newest phones to use isn't such a big issue for me as it is for people not in the mobile phone industry.
Yet I choose to use an iPhone as my personal phone (my work phone is a Blackberry 8310, not my choice but Vodafone don't sell iPhone's).
You've heard it before already and you know that there are hundreds of phones on the market with more functions than the iPhone all at different price ranges.
But the huge problem with ALMOST ALL of them is that they are not easy, intuitive, slick enough or fun to use.
For me, the bottom line was: What good are features if they end up being too annoying to use? That was the case with every single mobile phone I used prior to the iPhone. They had web browsing, email, sms, video, downloadable applications, etc. I consider myself fairly technologicallly savvy, but after poking around for a while with these features I gave up and decided they weren't worth using. The iPhone is not only the first mobile I've felt comfortable using as more than just a phone, but it's actually replaced probably >50% of my laptop use.
when you are in 3G or 3.5G coverage it is indicated underneath the service bars.
I've had a look and I get a funny shaped symbol under the service bars (like a Y, but with a closed top).
Is that it, or am I not in a 3G (or 3.5) area as I'd expect it to say '3' or something.
I suppose I could get the manual out and look it up, but me man! ugh! no need instructions! Look at instructions a sign of weakness!
EDIT: Found it in the settings. I had it turned off. Now set to use both.
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Then the adverts have done their job.
They have worked on me also, however as soon as one comes on the TV, my wife just says "No!'. I'll work on that
obviously when you have more features the learning curve becomes steeper. it's especially true when the space available is extremely limited as it is in the mobile phone.
if the solution of dropping features works for you, good. the phone is indeed better than alternatives for you. however, anyone who appreciates the features and takes time to learn how to use them will consider iphone inferior.
note, however, when you add features in iphone, it will become more difficult to use as well. when the user interface model doesn't allow adding easily such basic functionality as cut and paste you can only imagine how difficult it will be to add more advanced features, in a user friendly way.
I agree.
As I've stated in an earlier post, I'm an N95 owner and am perfectly happy with it. I know it has a ton more features than the iPhone, but at the end of the day I don't use most of them. With that in mind I'm going to get an iPhone.
The only time I would have cursed the iPhone if I had that instead of my nokia was when I was at Euro Disney. I turned on our dedicated camera and it died before the lense made it all the way out
N95 to the rescue: 5 Megapixels with flash. In low light it struggled slightly, but it performed as good as the dedicated camera that ended up in the bin
If they improve the iPhone's camera then great, but I've bought a new dedicated one that will (with luck) last.
I just hope they improve the speaker on the iPhone as you have to admit it is crappy. The speakers on my N95 make it good enough to use as a stereo (I have it on when I'm cooking in the kitchen).
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Apple does need a sparring partner, as Intel did have/has AMD. I see Nokia as best adapted, but competition from others (Garmin's Nuvifone for example ) are there.
The N96 will have DVB tv over air. And a memory card slot. And video recording. 2 cameras. Xenon flash, 3G, A-GPS... I sure hope an updated iPhone ships before the N96 does (Europe mind, the delay for America to get the N95 was a while).
Nokia would be Intel in that comparison. You know, the one who shipped 133 million handsets in Q4 2007 (vs less than 2 million by Apple). Remember how well AMD was doing in the end?
Then the adverts have don't their job.
They have worked on me also, however as soon as one comes on the TV, my wife just says "No!'. I'll work on that
Ahh, I don't watch TV outside of the BBC so I don't get adverts. Infact I told an old friend I was getting an iPhone and he said "why, because you like Facebook?". I didn't get it for ages till I saw the ad on the Apple site
And to that last post - don't Nokia have considerably more mobile phone models than Apple in more than just 6 countries? AFAIK Apple have, well, just 1 phone. In a market they're absolutely new to and have already taken a big chunk by storm.
Btw anyone else just don't like Nokia phones? There's something about them that repels me. Maybe the UI, maybe their outer design.
Big chunk = about 0.65%? Like a rounding error? Apple is high profile but small potatoes.
Regarding models, Nokia has sold more N95's in both in the UK and worldwide than Apple has sold IPhones.
Consider this - with unlocked IPhones being freely available worldwide, and Apple experiencing no shortage, maybe that 4-5 million sold worldwide does reflect worldwide demand closer than just the official geographic release would suggest.
I'm sure Apple are quitely happy that the iPhone can be unlocked.
If they had actually made it impossible to unlock, I bet their sales figures wouldn't be anywhere near what they are at the moment.
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