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Edge iPhone vs Nokia N95

Ninja Dom said:
How are you so confident that these won't come officially in June, either by Apple or by a third party company download through iTunes?? We know that these features are available to jailbroken iPhone's already.
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1) because the beta of june release is available and the features are known and, according to wikipedia:
Ninja Dom said:
Beta level software generally includes all features, but may also include known issues and bugs of a less serious variety.
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2) only one of the list is available on jailbroken iphone.

cut and paste - no
using their own music as ring tones
MMS - no
video capture - no
bluetooth GPS - no
horizontal keyboards - no

3) none of the ones not available through jailbraking (except maybe mms) can be implemented using the sdk apple released following the rules apple set for using the sdk.
 
Last time I checked Modmyifone, MMS (Swirly MMS), Cut and Paste and video capture were available to jailbroken iPhone's.
 
Archie- said:
Because (end of) June is 3 months away, and iPhone 2.0 has leaked everywhere already?

I'm sure everyone was just waiting with baited breath for parental controls, weren't they?

Also, the SDK is so crippled, nothing deeply useful (like cut and paste, bluetooth A2DP or bluetooth serial profile) will come from it.
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hey i think you are forgetting the real coup de grace, the new calculator.
 
Ninja Dom said:
How is the SDK "so crippled"? I can't program so I never downloaded it and played about with it. Plus I'm still on a Power PC Mac Mini.

Why is Bluetooth A2DP so important?? I had it on my Sony Ericsson K800 but have no interest in using Bluetooth stereo headphones. My Bose wired headphones by far beat any Bluetooth stereo headphones I've ever tried. In fact I think that the specialist headphone company's (Bose, Shure, V-Moda etc) make far higher quality wired headphones than mobile phone company's bluetooth offerings.

Amirite??
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And phone calls over wires have higher quality than over the cellphone network. That does not mean being wireless is not very attractive.

The SDK wont allow apps that interface with iTunes, it wont allow background apps, it wont allow apps that affect the interface, or that launches other apps. It wont allow emulators or virtual machines like java. It wont allow high-bandwidth apps like SlingBox and Skype over WIFI. No access to the dock. And so on and so on.

To put it in real terms - No summerboard, no NES simulator, no mobilescrobbler, no BSD subsystem, no keyboard drivers, no flash, no java, no PalmOS emulator.

But you can make some nice games with it, thats for sure.
 
Ninja Dom said:
Last time I checked Modmyifone, MMS (Swirly MMS), Cut and Paste and video capture were available to jailbroken iPhone's.
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i couldn't find any of those from the site you mentioned. maybe they just make finding anything really difficult. swirly i was able to locate and it seems to be a alpha release of said functionality. this is the one feature of the list i commented that might be possible to implement using sdk.
 
sjo said:
i couldn't find any of those from the site you mentioned. maybe they just make finding anything really difficult. swirly i was able to locate and it seems to be a alpha release of said functionality. this is the one feature of the list i commented that might be possible to implement using sdk.
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Swirly MMS: http://www.modmyifone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44241

iCopy: http://www.modmyifone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62201

Video Recorder: http://www.modmyifone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25425
 
Archie- said:
Thats using a dongle. I understand you can add a FM radio to your phone that way too. And if you tape on a Garmin Nuvii you will have GPS too, just like we did 10 years ago.
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Definitely - That's how millions of people get an FM radio on their iPods.
 
Archie- said:
Because (end of) June is 3 months away, and iPhone 2.0 has leaked everywhere already?

I'm sure everyone was just waiting with baited breath for parental controls, weren't they?

Also, the SDK is so crippled, nothing deeply useful (like cut and paste, bluetooth A2DP or bluetooth serial profile) will come from it.
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From reading your posts I've just come to the conclusion that their is no use in arguing with you. You look at it from a geeks perspective and will never understand the iPhone. I mean you could hand the iPhone and any other smartphone on the market to a normal person on the street and I'm sure they would accomplish more with the iPhone but you don't see that. If the iPhone's not for you then fine but I'm sorry to inform you that most people don't use smartphones because they are to complicated and Apple cares more about that market then they do a few geeks who must have every little feature that 99% of the world would never use or couldn't figure out how to use on current smartphones. The iPhone is opening up a whole new market for smartphones directed toward the average person just like the Wii did for videogames in the face of the XBox and PS3.
 
powderblue17 said:
From reading your posts I've just come to the conclusion that their is no use in arguing with you. You look at it from a geeks perspective and will never understand the iPhone. I mean you could hand the iPhone and any other smartphone on the market to a normal person on the street and I'm sure they would accomplish more with the iPhone but you don't see that. If the iPhone's not for you then fine but I'm sorry to inform you that most people don't use smartphones because they are to complicated and Apple cares more about that market then they do a few geeks who must have every little feature that 99% of the world would never use or couldn't figure out how to use on current smartphones. The iPhone is opening up a whole new market for smartphones directed toward the average person just like the Wii did for videogames in the face of the XBox and PS3.
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Agree... nice!
 
powderblue17 said:
From reading your posts I've just come to the conclusion that their is no use in arguing with you. You look at it from a geeks perspective and will never understand the iPhone. I mean you could hand the iPhone and any other smartphone on the market to a normal person on the street and I'm sure they would accomplish more with the iPhone but you don't see that. If the iPhone's not for you then fine but I'm sorry to inform you that most people don't use smartphones because they are to complicated and Apple cares more about that market then they do a few geeks who must have every little feature that 99% of the world would never use or couldn't figure out how to use on current smartphones. The iPhone is opening up a whole new market for smartphones directed toward the average person just like the Wii did for videogames in the face of the XBox and PS3.
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Heh, yea. Reading over his posts he just seems to be here arguing that the iPhone is no good and the N95 is the best thing since sliced bread :D

Either way Apple have had a huge effect on my phone plans. I never thought I'd get a contract phone, I never wanted a phone this much (want an iPod Touch but for only a bit more I can get a new phone too). Regardless of what people think of the iPhone it's a very big product. If just a bit expensive, but for Apple quality I'll gladly pay it.
 
powderblue17 said:
From reading your posts I've just come to the conclusion that their is no use in arguing with you. You look at it from a fanboy's perspective and will never understand non-Apple products. I mean you could hand the iPhone and any other smartphone on the market to a normal person on the street and I'm sure they would accomplish more with the iPhone - well unless it was sending an MMS. Or videoing. Or using GPS. Or... um... anyway - but you don't see that.
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FIX'D!
 
Features do NOT make something better just different

I am so sick of people saying, well my phone has mms, my phone has copy/paste, my phone can do this bla bla bla. That doesnt make the phone better. The Lexus LS460 can parallel park itself, the Ferrari Enzo can not. Does that make the Lexus a better car NO. Stop being ignorant.
 
Fallencircus said:
I am so sick of people saying, well my phone has mms, my phone has copy/paste, my phone can do this bla bla bla. That doesnt make the phone better. The Lexus LS460 can parallel park itself, the Ferrari Enzo can not. Does that make the Lexus a better car NO. Stop being ignorant.
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It makes it better if you actually use those functions.

Hey, the iPhone is a nice phone and so is the N95. They just have different audiences. However, people coming out with silly stuff like "lol teh iPhone pwnz0rz j00r phone kthxbailol!1!1!" with no backing evidence is silly.

Fanboys. Gotta love 'em.
 
BongoBanger said:
It makes it better if you actually use those functions.

Hey, the iPhone is a nice phone and so is the N95. They just have different audiences. However, people coming out with silly stuff like "lol teh iPhone pwnz0rz j00r phone kthxbailol!1!1!" with no backing evidence is silly.

Fanboys. Gotta love 'em.
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I totally agree with you, the reason there are so many phones and not just one is that people have different needs, different tastes, and different opinions. I have owned a number of smart phones and the iPhone is the one for me, but not for everyone. I am just tired of people saying because it has this it is the best and the iPhone sucks, or the iPhone looks cool so it is the best. Just because something is your opinion does not make it true for everyone...Cant we all just get along...
 
powderblue17 said:
From reading your posts I've just come to the conclusion that their is no use in arguing with you. You look at it from a geeks perspective and will never understand the iPhone. I mean you could hand the iPhone and any other smartphone on the market to a normal person on the street and I'm sure they would accomplish more with the iPhone but you don't see that. If the iPhone's not for you then fine but I'm sorry to inform you that most people don't use smartphones because they are to complicated and Apple cares more about that market then they do a few geeks who must have every little feature that 99% of the world would never use or couldn't figure out how to use on current smartphones. The iPhone is opening up a whole new market for smartphones directed toward the average person just like the Wii did for videogames in the face of the XBox and PS3.
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In other words I am right, the iPhone is no better and in fact worse than the most popular phones in the world.

You know, if modern full-featured phones are so intimidating to you, there are actually cheaper phones than the iPhone designed just for you.

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This one is just £99.

Not everyone dont know how to use MMS. In fact, its pretty easy. And taking pictures on your phone, and even video - pretty simple. Playing games - also very easy. Using a GPS app - everyone can do that. Buying a game from your cell provider- also pretty easy - you can do it via text message. No need to pretend your average lout in the street cant bluetooth a video to his mates. Where do you think all those YouTube videos came from? You think they dont bluetooth each other ringtones?

About the only thing the iPhone brings to the game is a good internet experience, and thats probably because it started as a web tablet. It fails pretty hard as a modern cellphone.
 
interesting arguments for and against here. i just recently sold my iphone for a new blackberry curve (with wifi).

i think the iphone is a brilliant device... it's truly a thing of beauty. the gui is pretty much perfect imo, and there are some great features.

but for me i couldn't live without a physical keyboard. i will often compose an email in stop and go traffic (i know i know...) and doing so on the iphone will get me killed. on the curve, it's pretty simple.

having true push email is another biggie. i know this is coming in late june, but i need this now.

i was also pretty scared that i'd break the iphone. it seems pretty fragile, and i've seen some horror stories on here about shattered glass. while at the airport recently, i was waiting for my plane, and started talking to a guy who worked for rim. he threw his pearl across the seats to the floor -- not a mark. the curve just seems a lot more durable.

so - the big things were keyboard and push email. i do also like the removable battery... and blackberries are everywhere, so getting accessories are a breeze.
 
Archie- said:
Not everyone dont know how to use MMS. In fact, its pretty easy. And taking pictures on your phone, and even video - pretty simple. Playing games - also very easy. Using a GPS app - everyone can do that. Buying a game from your cell provider- also pretty easy - you can do it via text message. No need to pretend your average lout in the street cant bluetooth a video to his mates. Where do you think all those YouTube videos came from? You think they dont bluetooth each other ringtones?

About the only thing the iPhone brings to the game is a good internet experience, and thats probably because it started as a web tablet. It fails pretty hard as a modern cellphone.
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You're a little wrong there Archie.

As i said before, I work for Vodafone in one of the largest mobile phone stores in the UK right in the centre of London. Compared to the amount of subscribers - most people DON'T send an MMS. It's up to us with each sale to tell people how to do it. The amount of extra revenue we would receive in just one month from every subscriber sending just one MMS would be phenomenal. We want people to MMS or Video message - it makes us money but the majority don't do it.

Almost all extra features of mobile phone's go unused. We don't give video calling minutes in voice plan's anymore simply because the general public do NOT video call each other.

We've increased the price of downloadable games and ringtones - because not so many people are buying them anymore.

Your second point is wrong too. As I said, I work for a mobile phone company where the iPhone is actually a VERY dangerous rival. We got the three month UK exclusive on the Nokia N95 8Gb in October 2007 SIMPLY TO COUNTER the iPhone (the original silver Voda N95's were damn awful so it was good to see them replaced). Even working for a company like this and with all the many phones I have access to - the iPhone is a very capable mobile phone and in know way fails to the extent that you make out.
 
Archie- said:
You seem to miss the part where S60 is on top already. Why is that?

People who bought an iPhone nearly 10 months ago where confident Apple would give them the things they wanted, such as cut and paste, using their own music as ring tones, MMS, video capture, bluetooth GPS, horizontal keyboards etc. Apple never delivered.

Even by June, with iPhone 2.0, none of these things will come. The best thing to come is mass-deleting e-mail. Its actually shameful.

(Ive heard even exchange push e-mail wont be real push, but use 15 min polling. Shame)
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On top of what, selling the most units in Europe becuause the OS has been seeded for years? Bravo! Those s60 supporters say that the OS has evolved over the years and thats just the point: its been around for years and this is the best Nokia can offer?!?

Apple produced a phone and completely changed the game in its first attempt. That is a remarkable feat. Palm and to some extent symbian are examples of OS's with minor evolutionary changes enhanced by 3rd party add-ons to appease the masses. Big deal, I want real change. So what if Apple didn't hit EVERYTHING on the first try. What the iPhone does well is far more important to most users than any nitpick that 1% of smartphone users may have.

How about being on top of innovation, changing the landscape of mobile devices? Any of that important to you....revolutionizing user interface for generations to come? Anything? Nope.

Here's an idea...go have a McDonalds Cheeseburger...they sell TONS of them. In fact they might be "on top" by your definition. I'll go to Lugers for a steak or Gramercy Tavern for a nice meal.

I actually enjoy high-quality experiences.
 
Ninja Dom said:
You're a little wrong there Archie.

As i said before, I work for Vodafone in one of the largest mobile phone stores in the UK right in the centre of London. Compared to the amount of subscribers - most people DON'T send an MMS.
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At 20-50p a pop, I wonder why.

Almost all extra features of mobile phone's go unused. We don't give video calling minutes in voice plan's anymore simply because the general public do NOT video call each other.

We've increased the price of downloadable games and ringtones - because not so many people are buying them anymore.
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This explains why whenever a celebrity shows up everyone whips out their phones to take pictures? Just because you cant monitize it does not mean people do not use it.

And BTW, have you heard of the DS and the PSP?

Your second point is wrong too. As I said, I work for a mobile phone company where the iPhone is actually a VERY dangerous rival. We got the three month UK exclusive on the Nokia N95 8Gb in October 2007 SIMPLY TO COUNTER the iPhone (the original silver Voda N95's were damn awful so it was good to see them replaced). Even working for a company like this and with all the many phones I have access to - the iPhone is a very capable mobile phone and in know way fails to the extent that you make out.
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I did not say it failed in sales. I said it fails as a modern phone, in allowing people to use it like they use their modern phones. Are you your really claiming only the geeks engage in happy slapping?
 
Archie- said:
I did not say it failed in sales. I said it fails as a modern phone, in allowing people to use it like they use their modern phones. Are you your really claiming only the geeks engage in happy slapping?
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Happy Slapping?? Surely that involves the video recorder function of a phone.

Something that RIM have only brought to their handsets this year with their Blackberry 8110 Pearl Smartphone.

Are Blackberry's (one of the world's biggest Enterprise devices) also failing as a modern mobile phone too? :rolleyes:
 
MACsimus19 said:
On top of what, selling the most units in Europe becuause the OS has been seeded for years? Bravo! Those s60 supporters say that the OS has evolved over the years and thats just the point: its been around for years and this is the best Nokia can offer?!?

Apple produced a phone and completely changed the game in its first attempt. That is a remarkable feat. Palm and to some extent symbian are examples of OS's with minor evolutionary changes enhanced by 3rd party add-ons to appease the masses. Big deal, I want real change. So what if Apple didn't hit EVERYTHING on the first try. What the iPhone does well is far more important to most users than any nitpick that 1% of smartphone users may have.

How about being on top of innovation, changing the landscape of mobile devices? Any of that important to you....revolutionizing user interface for generations to come? Anything? Nope.

Here's an idea...go have a McDonalds Cheeseburger...they sell TONS of them. In fact they might be "on top" by your definition. I'll go to Lugers for a steak or Gramercy Tavern for a nice meal.

I actually enjoy high-quality experiences.
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There is no doubt in my mind that the iPhone is a "game changer" in that it gives a reasonably smart, powerful phone to an audience that quite possibly wouldn't have been interested in standard smartphones. It has a revolutionary interface on top of very sleek hardware. As I said before, it's intuitive enough that my parents' generation can handle it with no problem.

Having considered this, the Symbian environment has great appeal to users who are looking for an OS that doesn't go to great lengths to restrict 3rd party development--such openness is a large part of why Symbian phones are attractive to "power users." I love being able to easily SSH into my server from my phone, being able to send MMS, place video calls (when in places that support this), etc.

Furthermore, while the Symbian OS is somewhat limited by having to support a wide range of hardware, this also is a blessing in that there is a fair amount of choice in the hardware available. Want a physical QWERTY keyboard? No problem (and regardless of individual preferences here on MR, there is no question but that there is a demand...just look at the number of units RIM ships every year, most of which have QWERTY. Incidentally, many Symbian phones have Blackberry clients available, allowing for BB services on a wider range of hardware). Want a removable battery? Done. Perhaps a good camera matters? (To me it does; the built-in cameras on my Sony-Ericsson and Nokia phones both had autofocus mechanisms that greatly improved the photo quality, something which the iPhone lacks.)

Speaking as a user of both major types of Symbian (UIQ and S60) devices as well as an iPhone owner, I've come to realize that for me, the flexible nature of the software and wide variety of hardware solutions available with Symbian trump the very sleek, fun, easy to use iPhone. To each his own...I have no doubt that most people here on MR would prefer the iPhone to the competition...but I can easily point out at least as many ardent supporters of the other platform elsewhere. It's not really a black and white issue.
 
MACsimus19 said:
On top of what, selling the most units in Europe becuause the OS has been seeded for years?
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Actually Symbian tops the market everywhere except North America. Even in Japan where Nokia has almost no presence.


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MACsimus19 said:
Apple produced a phone and completely changed the game in its first attempt. That is a remarkable feat. Palm and to some extent symbian are examples of OS's with minor evolutionary changes enhanced by 3rd party add-ons to appease the masses. Big deal, I want real change. So what if Apple didn't hit EVERYTHING on the first try. What the iPhone does well is far more important to most users than any nitpick that 1% of smartphone users may have.

How about being on top of innovation, changing the landscape of mobile devices? Any of that important to you....revolutionizing user interface for generations to come? Anything? Nope.
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Seems like you count the touch-screen interface as the only innovation ever to have existed in phones. I'm not denying that it isn't great thing, but it's hardly greatest thing ever to have existed and also the only new thing Apple has done to phones. SDK isn't nearly as revolutionary as the most rabid Apple-fans make it out to be.
 
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