Elizabeth Warren Outlines Right-To-Repair Legislation That Could Affect Apple's Products

[Tech198]

Farming feeling the expense, fair point, but do these farmers have to use Apple products?

Why is this a 'sudden" of interest after 10 years? Apple always has some form of "non-repairability"going on..

its just been reduced to almost zero. as the only reason for raising the issue now. If its a major drawback now, it was back then too. only it wasan't as bad.

 

[AZ63]

You already have the right to repair your own phone. If you screw it up, it isn’t Apple’s problem nor should it be.

She should stay out of tech until she learns it. Comparing repairing a tractor to repairing your own phone. Come on.

My understanding of the issue is Apple does not allow third party repair businesses access to OEM parts unless they are an authorized Apple repair facility. So, in other words, paying Apple a cut to access Apple's repair manuals, OEM parts, and schematics. This limits repair options and artificially pushes costs up. I agree the warranty issue would have to be addressed but if I want to give a local tech guy a shot a repairing my broken out of warranty MacBook Pro he should be able to access the information and original parts so as to have a fair shot at doing the repair for less than Apple would but as of today, those repair shops can't because of Apple's policies.

 

[jlc1978]

I’m for this law if it meets these requirements:

1) any customer can buy replacement parts from manufacturer and repair their own equipment

Sure. Probabaly at a price close to the cost of an Apple repair.

2) company is not obligated to provide repair manual

Not so much of an issue unl;ess there is a gotcha or a software issu that must be addressed as part of the repair; such as when you change a BMW's battery you need to reregister it with the computer.

3) self-replacement does not void warranty

4) warranty repair by authorized service center will not repair under warranty if self install was the cause of failure;

However, if part was bad, the part would be covered, and not labor.

Sure. If yo break something you can no longer expect a comp[any to fix your product if your repair was the casue of the failure.

 

[Gravydog316]

As a German: In my opinion it is very scary how many leftist ideas are currently being embraced in the USA. I always looked at the entrepreneurial spirits, the free markets and the general business positive attitude of the USA with a little bit of envy.

As we know, Germany has had NOTHING but success with Right-wing ideology...
...well... for a while they did...
(nobody cares about 1914~1918 or the 1930s~40s...)
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Back when I had a Mac G3, Powerbooks, G4, etc, I was able to fix a lot of things myself, as could tech shops if I wasn't able to. Look what's happened to pretty much all Apple products now.
They're no longer what they used to be (though shareholders are happy) so I'm all for stuff like this that helps individuals and small businesses.

Common sense would tell you to be an Apple shareholder, then...
(which i can attest to)

 

[yadmonkey]

As we know, Germany has had NOTHING but success with Right-wing ideology...

It's incredibly disingenuous to frame a warning against government overreach as a slippery slope to Nazism and it is incredibly disingenuous to frame the Nazis as a right-wing ideology. Our political spectrum simply does not apply that neatly and if you insist that it does, then one could easily frame the good old National Socialist Party as left-wing by modern standards. After all they were socialists, detested capitalism, gave the government control over multiple industries, and divided the people with identity politics. But that's a massive over-simplification too, so I'm not really making that argument. Rather just using it to demonstrate the absurdity of trying to plop it down onto our current political spectrum.

I agree with our German friend though. Capitalism is the worst form of government except for all of the others. The more we empower government to dictate to the free market, the more potential we create for the government to turn their power against the people. This is why I cringed when the Left applauded Obama's "I have a pen" declaration. Now look who has a pen. The more you empower your team, the more you empower the other team, which will take over eventually. One of them will eventually go genocidal and it doesn't really matter which. It's a moronic cycle and right now the Left seems intent on turning everything over to government control, not unlike Deutschland in the early 20th century. Good intentions be damned.

 

[Jmausmuc]

As we know, Germany has had NOTHING but success with Right-wing ideology...
...well... for a while they did...
(nobody cares about 1914~1918 or the 1930s~40s...)
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Common sense would tell you to be an Apple shareholder, then...
(which i can attest to)

That time was actually very close to what the left wing is proposing today in many ways. It wasn’t called National Socialism for no reason. The country that freed us from it was the US when they were at their “most capitalist” and had hugely less regulation than today. But you doubt know or understand that because right is right and left is left in your opinion and they have nothing in common, right.
The Germans of 1920 gave the government way to much power after the Weimar Republic was supposed to be a democracy that limits the governments power.
The current (after war) German constitution is specifically aimed at not giving the state to much power, especially not in the hands of a single person - that’s why we have a chancellor, not a president.

As the poster above me said, framing my warning against over boarding statism as a right wing ideology must be a joke. I don’t want either side to have so much power over the people. Not the left and not the right.

Also very sad it you were the first (and only?) one in this entire thread to use this weak argument.

 

[Gravydog316]

Also very sad it you were the first (and only?) one in this entire thread to use this weak argument.

yeah... sorry i don't support Nazis, the greedy, morons, sexists, racists, fascists &/or extremists (???)
WHAT am i thinking?!


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Good intentions be damned.

2 wrongs don't make a right, FYI...
...& the lesser of 2 evils is still evil lol

 

[Jmausmuc]

This time was actually very close to what the left wing is proposing. It wasn’t called National Socialism for no reason. The country that freed us from it was the US when they were at their “most capitalist” and had hugely less regulation than today. But you doubt know or understand that because right is right and left is left in your opinion and they have nothing in common, right.

Also very sad it you were the first (and only?) one in this entire thread to use this weak argument.

yeah... sorry i don't support Nazis, the greedy, morons, sexists, racists, fascists &/or extremists (???)
WHAT am i thinking?!


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2 wrongs don't make a right, FYI...
...& the lesser of 2 evils is still evil lol

Wow you are incredibly black and white. You should get outside more...

 

[Gravydog316]

Wow you are incredibly black and white. You should get outside more...

(not to get into politics,
but Trump has been calling the Right "Radical Democrats" lately lol)
Oxymoron.

 

[pshufd]

This is the like genesis of her interest in this area. It's been around for a very long time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Right_to_Repair_Initiative