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Okay, so when asked for evidence supporting your claims, your answer is: “well you can look it up, i dont want to give attention to the thing i brought attention to”.

Like I said, these are vile neo-Nazi’s, do you think I want to post their names here on Macrumors? It caused a big hoopla on Twitter and you can find out by just looking at Elons recent tweets from the last week.
 
Yes, Apple and most corporations choose to side with the side of the political spectrum that preaches tolerance the loudest, and it's based in leftist ideology.

But for good reasons as a society that tolerates violence and lets intolerance flourish will ultimately succumb to intolerance and persecution:
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How will a business see the biggest possible profits if all the people are fighting and persecuting each other and preaching intolerance? That would be nothing but chaos, suffering, and wars.

Businesses want diverse and tolerant societies, it's what's most profitable.

And a part of keeping societies peaceful is some level of censorship. Without it, all the small minds will eventually conspire and set fire to everything.

Long live censorship!
We’re already seeing examples of this extraordinary danger from the far right from Nick Fuentes and his ilk, openly calling for the installation of a dictatorship because the electorate has rejected their disgusting ideology.
 
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Such TRUTH!

We must practice tolerance, kindness, and understanding.

First
, As democrats, we should start with Tolerance by banning all viewpoints.

Second, we practice kindness by calling them Facists, other names, and practice unhealthy hateful attitudes.

Last, we practice understanding by comparing those we disagree with to Nazi's (who genocided millions of people)
Looks like some on the right are gearing up to do some of their own killing.

 
Republicans aren’t advertising to be the party of tolerance, kindness, and understanding.

You kinda missed point of the game. What they advertise isn’t what they sell

Pot. Kettle. Black.

What the Reds advertise about being "great" isn't what they sell. The world learned that from Germany, circa 1930.

No, I didn't miss the point of the game. Again, one doesn't criticize or complain about someone else's yard while their own yard is dirtier than the one they are complaining about.

BL.
 
The broader point should apply to corporations, especially because social media is so important to our society. Corporations like Apple/Google/Twitter/Meta, etc. must follow the ACLU example because they are the tools to influence public discourse.
This is my point. Free speech should be allowed at all costs. My only restriction is if incites violence.

Apologies, I got terribly confused when you cited case law and yet you're not talking about law but how "things should be".

Anyways, I'm happy to hear you'll make an exception for violence.

But does that mean that misinformation, libel, defamation, fraud, harrassment, and child porn are ok and should be allowed unhindered on all the platforms you mention?
 
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After all these people fired that their only job was to cancel and silence free speech Twitter is back to basics. Leaving politics out that divide us and solving real world problems.

Go go Elon👊👊


Yep. by bringing in those people who fan the flames of hate speech; you know, something that isn't covered by the 1A. But so much for "free speech", especially when "free speech" is only what the owner of the platform wants.

But when said owner of the platform complains about not getting anything out of it, he blames others for his failures... like a certain TFG POTUS..

BL.
 
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Pot. Kettle. Black.

What the Reds advertise about being "great" isn't what they sell. The world learned that from Germany, circa 1930.

No, I didn't miss the point of the game. Again, one doesn't criticize or complain about someone else's yard while their own yard is dirtier than the one they are complaining about.

BL.
Let me try what you’re doing:


Democrats haven’t changed from being slave owners in the 1800’s. The world learned the racist party couldn’t be trusted again. Especially one that mirrors Chinese government policies.
 
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Let me try what you’re doing:


Democrats haven’t changed from being slave owners in the 1800’s. The world learned the racist party couldn’t be trusted again.

Democrats back then are today's Republicans. Source: Great Southern Strategy of 1968, and Strom Thurmond's switch to the Republicans, and Dixiecrats going to the Republican Party after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 were passed. Up until that point, Republicans WERE progressive; now they are the conservatives.

Someone does not know their history, let alone their political history.

BL.
 
Democrats back then are today's Republicans. Source: Great Southern Strategy of 1968, and Strom Thurmond's switch to the Republicans, and Dixiecrats going to the Republican Party after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 were passed. Up until that point, Republicans WERE progressive; now they are the conservatives.

Someone does not know their history, let alone their political history.

BL.
Ahh the ‘switch’. That makes sense. Kinda like if the Nazi party existed today but they ‘switched’ to being good. Lol

Personally I identify as independent. Republicans and especially democrats are corrupt, specifically - establishment politicians.

That’s why I like Trump, both establishment democrats and republicans hate him. I voted Obama in 2008 and converted over to a candidate to a different party.

I do see heavy corruption in both parties, do you?
 
Ahh the ‘switch’. That makes sense. Kinda like if the Nazi party existed today but they ‘switched’ to being good. Lol

Personally I identify as independent. Republicans and especially democrats are corrupt, specifically - establishment politicians.

That’s why I like Trump, both establishment democrats and republicans hate him. I voted Obama in 2008 and converted over to a candidate to a different party.

I do see heavy corruption in both parties, do you?
Interesting. Do you see one side advocating for a dictatorship and the killing of the opposition? Apparently not.
 
Interesting. Do you see one side advocating for a dictatorship and the killing of the opposition? Apparently not.
I do see one side rigging the vote, suppressing viable vaccine alternatives, censorship, and destroying businesses/murdering people in multiple cities across the USA when they don’t get their way.

And I see you’re a die-hard democrat too. Nothing wrong with that. Was just hoping you had an open mind to see the faults in the party you support. I guess it’s immune to criticizing and scrutiny.
 
I do see one side rigging the vote, suppressing viable vaccine alternatives, censorship, and destroying businesses/murdering people in multiple cities across the USA when they don’t get their way.

I see that as well. Certain Republican Senators trying to rig votes in Georgia, calling pandemics hoaxes while trying to peddle unproven and untested alternatives, including swallowing bleach, which is known to kill people...

And murdering people across multiple cities? Charlottesville showed that to be true.. but I digress; very fine people on both sides. :rolleyes:

And I see you’re a die-hard democrat too. Nothing wrong with that. Was just hoping you had an open mind to see the faults in the party you support. I guess it’s immune to criticizing and scrutiny.

Yet here you are giving the Reds a pass in what they are doing, but not displaying the same open mind that you are hoping others would have. Like a certain singer said (whose biggest album just celebrated 40 years):

If you want to make the world a better place, TAKE A LOOK AT YOURSELF, and make a change.

BL.
 
I see that as well. Certain Republican Senators trying to rig votes in Georgia, calling pandemics hoaxes while trying to peddle unproven and untested alternatives, including swallowing bleach, which is known to kill people...

And murdering people across multiple cities? Charlottesville showed that to be true.. but I digress; very fine people on both sides. :rolleyes:



Yet here you are giving the Reds a pass in what they are doing, but not displaying the same open mind that you are hoping others would have. Like a certain singer said (whose big album just celebrated 40 years):

If you want to make the world a better place, TAKE A LOOK AT YOURSELF, and make a change.

BL.
Here’s a better question…hypothetical.

Would you be opposed to a voting system that was online, worked like KYC to verify everyone is at least 18 and eligible to vote, and the code was open source and auditable by public?
 
You American’s need to stop fighting with one-another and start working together on common goals. You are destroying your own country with the division you are stoking amongst your fellow citizens.
 
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You American’s need to stop fighting with one-another and start working together on common goals. You are destroying your own country with the division you are stoking amongst your fellow citizens.
You’re right. I apologize @bradl and sorry we disagree. Hope you have a great day or night wherever you’re at and stay well
 
Yeah makes sense. We don't like the owner of Twitter and we don't like free speech so lets stop all iOS users using the application because we don't like it. Nice Apple.

More like, our App Store rules require hate-speech content moderation since the Steve Jobs days (in fact, he wrote that rule himself). And the reason has nothing to do with liking or not liking someone, but everything with investors and regulations - you will always want some form of moderation, and "free speech" is not what you think it is (free speech, in fact, means Apple can decide not to have Twitter in the App Store - so, basically, Elon is the one against free speech here).
For example, there is a chance significantly larger than 0 that Apple would get into trouble with EU regulators for hosting an app like Twitter if all Elon is proposing happens. Oh yeah, with that said, expect Twitter to get into trouble with EU regulators if all Elon is proposing happens.

So, it would be foolish not to start cutting ties with Twitter. It makes all the financial and legal sense to do so - even before you get to all the ethical and political reasons.
 
Apple's idea of "effective" moderation" is based on ideology and that is the real problem. It's ironic that Google and Apple always seem to have an issue with right-wing app moderation but never liberal app moderation.

Of course Apple is. It's something they got from Steve Jobs.
Where have you been the last 20 years?

Do you expect Apple to be neutral?
 
I do see one side rigging the vote, suppressing viable vaccine alternatives, censorship, and destroying businesses/murdering people in multiple cities across the USA when they don’t get their way.

And I see you’re a die-hard democrat too. Nothing wrong with that. Was just hoping you had an open mind to see the faults in the party you support. I guess it’s immune to criticizing and scrutiny.
So the answer is no then. Presumably this means you’re in favor of a dictatorship and the murder of political opponents justified by lies that an election your side lost was stolen. The rest of what you said is already debunked far-right drivel. As long as the right continues on this path, they’ll continue to lose elections, as evidenced by their historically poor performance in what should have been a phenomenal year for Republicans. As far as Democrats go, I’m under no illusion that they’re perfect and infallible. However when the other side is claiming stolen election and advocating dictatorship and murder of political opponents, it’s not hard to pick which side to vote for.
 
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Republicans aren’t advertising to be the party of tolerance, kindness, and understanding.

You kinda missed point of the game. What they advertise isn’t what they sell
The midterms, republicans thundered on about attacking crime, inflation, the border. Literally the next day after elections they had press conferences and thundered HUNTER’S LAPTOP and BIDEN CRIME FAMILY
And of course IMPEACHMENT for all, sounding like Opera giving away cars. Both hard left and hard right are the same, both know they are right, and both hate democracy and love power.
 
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Question, I would like to personally attack someone here on Macrumors but they won't let me. Are they infringing on my right to free speech? If so, as a private company, what can I do about it?
 
Free speech is a right that existed before any governments were even formed. The US constitution quite specifically recognises that pre-existing right - rather than actually providing it.
No, it doesn't. The constitution as originally written makes no mention of freedom of speech, and universal freedom of speech was arguably granted with the nineteenth amendment in 1920 which extended the right to vote to all Americans of age.
 
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