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Apple likes free speech as long as it's their version of free speech.
Sounds like almost everybody. Seriously, before you take Elon Musk of all people at his word, you should see the accounts that Musk has banned even as he lifted the suspensions of some pretty questionable people. The last conclusion any reasonable person on any side of the political spectrum could reach is that Musk's actions have anything to do with a sincere belief in freedom of speech.
 
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This latest trend of making believe you don't know what "the left" is when someone says it is quite amusing. It is just the latest tactic being used by the left to try and avoid answering questions.
 
Also, purely from a business perspective, without delving into how Musk has peopled banned for just tweeting g-rated photos of him hanging out with Ghislaine Maxwell, the reality is that microblogging platforms like Gab are where they are today precisely because the vast bulk of people want to be able to access good discussion and interesting takes on the news without wading through pages and pages of people posting swastika photos, dead-naming Chelsea Manning, or waxing nostalgic about George Wallace's 1968 presidential campaign. When ordinary folks start having to do that, they will leave the platform because it's not worth the aggravation. In fact, they will leave long before then, especially advertisers. "Free speech" of the kind the far right has disingenuously weaponized to sidestep having to defend the content of their speech (even as they call for untold numbers of books to be banned from public school libraries) is in direct contradiction to any large firm's business interests.
 
Musk reinstated a lot of banned accounts. That's a "change".

Live and learn, baby. It is now time to scrutinize information dissemination services like Twitter.

This is misinformation. He has not done this yet.

My account didn’t violate any rules other than posting factual information to leftwing lies.
 
Also, purely from a business perspective, without delving into how Musk has peopled banned for just tweeting g-rated photos of him hanging out with Ghislaine Maxwell, the reality is that microblogging platforms like Gab are where they are today precisely because the vast bulk of people want to be able to access good discussion and interesting takes on the news without wading through pages and pages of people posting swastika photos, dead-naming Chelsea Manning, or waxing nostalgic about George Wallace's 1968 presidential campaign. When ordinary folks start having to do that, they will leave the platform because it's not worth the aggravation. In fact, they will leave long before then, especially advertisers. "Free speech" of the kind the far right has disingenuously weaponized to sidestep having to defend the content of their speech (even as they call for untold numbers of books to be banned from public school libraries) is in direct contradiction to any large firm's business interests.
Great point. Perhaps some of the folks here should ask themselves why they aren't questioning the ethics of the content of the speech the far-right is making just as vociferously as they're questioning the ethics of the private entities who may wish to limit the reach of the aforementioned speech on their platforms. Would it surprise anyone to find that the reason is because they themselves agree with the speech? Interesting how they'll shout down folks for cEnSorSHip, but don't seem to have any interest in pushing back on some of the vile things the right says.
 
So the answer is no then. Presumably this means you’re in favor of a dictatorship and the murder of political opponents justified by lies that an election your side lost was stolen. The rest of what you said is already debunked far-right drivel. As long as the right continues on this path, they’ll continue to lose elections, as evidenced by their historically poor performance in what should have been a phenomenal year for Republicans. As far as Democrats go, I’m under no illusion that they’re perfect and infallible. However when the other side is claiming stolen election and advocating dictatorship and murder of political opponents, it’s not hard to pick which side to vote for.
No matter how much you type, censorship will never win. We all know democrat policies cause more deaths than republicans. It’s not hard to pick a side
 
Great point. Perhaps some of the folks here should ask themselves why they aren't questioning the ethics of the content of the speech the far-right is making just as vociferously as they're questioning the ethics of the private entities who may wish to limit the reach of the aforementioned speech on their platforms. Would it surprise anyone to find that the reason is because they themselves agree with the speech? Interesting how they'll shout down folks for cEnSorSHip, but don't seem to have any interest in pushing back on some of the vile things the right says.
Of course you're correct, and pinpoint the silliness of the way this whole debate is playing out publicly. The people most loudly singing paeans to free speech are calling for book bans, muzzling what teachers can say about US history, and many other things besides. They'll point out that they have a "good reason" for supporting these things, but they seem not to realize that these are forms of censorship, and that people they decry as "anti-free-speech" also have their own "good reasons" for trying to deplatform folks. Practically everybody, including Elon "I'm a free speech absolutist" Musk supports censorship of some kind or another. The really interesting and meaningful question is when and why censorship becomes advisable. People who treat this question as "for" or "against" "free speech" are either being disingenuous propagandists for the content of a particular subset of speech, or they have not thought critically about this issue.
 
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Sounds like almost everybody. Seriously, before you take Elon Musk of all people at his word, you should see the accounts that Musk has banned even as he lifted the suspensions of some pretty questionable people. The last conclusion any reasonable person on any side of the political spectrum could reach is that Musk's actions have anything to do with a sincere belief in freedom of speech.
It’s not about freedom of speech, it’s about censoring democrat lies and preventing democrat caused deaths
 
The most and only important thing Elon Musk is proving:

1 If people get outrageously wealthy they will go to war against others.

2 They will harass others.

3 They will use their sheep to attack others.

4 They have enough wealth to buy troll farms and platforms to attack others.

Not only Musk did this. Trump did it, some dictators around the world are doing this, extremist leaders like Steve Bannon and Peter Thiel did this, Putin been doing it for years.

So yeah go ahead and complain about how big some corporation is.

But don't forget that the biggest danger is ultra wealthy individuals who want more power than any corporation or government.
 
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It’s not about freedom of speech, it’s about censoring democrat lies and preventing democrat caused deaths
It appears you are okay with censoring speech because that speech contains what you consider to be misinformation or might be linked to undesirable real-world activities. Where have we seen this justification for censorship before? Hmmmm. 🤔
 
Cite your sources for such an extraordinary claim.
Since you are equivocating republicans to murdering, I’m just doing exactly what you’re doing.
It appears you are okay with censoring speech because that speech contains what you consider to be misinformation or might be linked to undesirable real-world activities. Where have we seen this justification for censorship before? Hmmmm. 🤔
No no. We must control misinformation to prevent deaths. Democrats are spreading it and we must silence them, like they do in China. Remember, censorship is good and required for order!
 
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Since you are equivocating republicans to murdering, I’m just doing exactly what you’re doing.

No no. We must control misinformation to prevent deaths. Democrats are spreading it and we must silence them, like they do in China. Remember, censorship is good and required for order!
You should probably know that I'm not a Democrat. I'm also not a fan of hypocrisy.
 
No matter how much you type, censorship will never win. We all know democrat policies cause more deaths than republicans. It’s not hard to pick a side
Uh, we all don't know that and I disagree 100%.

The right is pro war -- what better way to make money than to invest in the defense industry. The right is pro gun, that gets you shot and killed in a theater, a school, a church, or something as small as a minor argument in a bar. The right spread misinformation about Covid Vaccines and snake oil type remedies instead. Can't forget about cutting the safety net so more people die of hunger, and more babies are born to people who can't feed them...

Yeah, it is extremely easy for me to pick a side and it's not yours.
 
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You should probably know that I'm not a Democrat. I'm also not a fan of hypocrisy.
Neither Republican or democrat here. Voted Obama and then voted trump.

I don’t vote party lines. Which is why I despise Bush’s, Clinton’s, and when someone came from outside the ‘political world’ I voted for them.

Democrat isn’t the same party I voted and loved in 2008.

Republicans were never the good choice, and then trump changed the party.

I’m also being slightly sarcastic in the previous post, more imitating some of the other comments on here.
 
Neither Republican or democrat here. Voted Obama and then voted trump.

I don’t vote party lines. Which is why I despise Bush’s, Clinton’s, and when someone came from outside the ‘political world’ I voted for them.

Democrat isn’t the same party I voted and loved in 2008.

Republicans were never the good choice, and then trump changed the party.

I’m also being slightly sarcastic in the previous post, more imitating some of the other comments on here.

Trump is a crook who manipulated voters to protect him from inevitable prosecution.

And Putin helped him because without a strongly democratic and progressive West the dictators and oligarchs around the world cannot continue to get away with their crimes forever.

And now Elon is in the pocket of dictators and playing the same mind games.

Anyone with two brain cells can see it.

I only have three brain cells and if I can see it then anyone can.

Unless they only have one brain cell.
 
Uh, we all don't know that and I disagree 100%.

The right is pro war -- what better way to make money than to invest in the defense industry. The right is pro gun, that gets you shot and killed in a theater, a school, a church, or something as small as a minor argument in a bar. The right spread misinformation about Covid Vaccines and snake oil type remedies instead. Can't forget about cutting the safety net so more people die of hunger, and more babies are born to people who can't feed them...

Yeah, it is extremely easy for me to pick a side and it's not yours.

It's super easy to pick a side.

If any political party, cult, wealthy person or dictators shares any beliefs or supporters with Hitler, Mussolini, Putin or Bin Ladin then it's quite mad to support them.

That goes for theocrats.

That goes for oligarchs.

That goes for CEOs.

They always talk about "freedom" but they only mean freedom for themselves to exploit the world. It's trick with words.
 
Uh, we all don't know that and I disagree 100%.

The right is pro war -- what better way to make money than to invest in the defense industry. The right is pro gun, that gets you shot and killed in a theater, a school, a church, or something as small as a minor argument in a bar. The right spread misinformation about Covid Vaccines and snake oil type remedies instead. Can't forget about cutting the safety net so more people die of hunger, and more babies are born to people who can't feed them...

Yeah, it is extremely easy for me to pick a side and it's not yours.
There are two sides of the right. Establishment republicans (bush area republicans) who love war, and MAGA republicans who hate it. And hate overspending overseas.

And then, you have establishment democrats who either love war or love to launder taxpayer money away for a ‘war’.

But you really can’t approve these things without being a uniparty. Which is why I keep pointing out that both sides are corrupt. The establishment on both sides needs to go
 
There are two sides of the right. Establishment republicans (bush area republicans) who love war, and MAGA republicans who hate it. And hate overspending overseas.

And then, you have establishment democrats who either love war or love to launder taxpayer money away for a ‘war’.

But you really can’t approve these things without being a uniparty. Which is why I keep pointing out that both sides are corrupt. The establishment on both sides needs to go
I would say MAGA republicans like war, but a civil war created by their divisiveness.
 
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Trump is a crook who manipulated voters to protect him from inevitable prosecution.

And Putin helped him because without a strongly democratic and progressive West the dictators and oligarchs around the world cannot continue to get away with their crimes forever.

And now Elon is in the pocket of dictators and playing the same mind games.

Anyone with two brain cells can see it.

I only have three brain cells and if I can see it then anyone can.

Unless they only have one brain cell.
Trump is a genius who is also the second most voted president in history (right behind the best of them all, President Biden).

The two best presidents of our lifetime right here!

Even Elon switched parties, it’s OKAY to be independent.

I have millions of brain cells, and so do you.
 
A YouTube video from a podcaster isn’t a source. But I get the need to want to feel right - no pun intended
Why are you deflecting from the lengthy documented list of examples from wikipedia? Why do you feel the need to deflect from the content of the video and instead try to debate over where the video is hosted? How about stop deflecting and address the words in black and white.

"At this point, we're living under corporate and medical fascism. This is tyranny. When do we get to use the guns? No, and I’m not – that’s not a joke. I’m not saying it like that. I mean, literally, where’s the line? How many elections are they going to steal before we kill these people?"

- Brainwashed right-winger

And if I was Trump or his supporters I would be asking myself what is it that I'm doing or saying that's drawing people like Nick Fuentes and the man above to me like moths to a flame.
 
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