There is much "wrong" with thinking that speech needs to be "correct"
Fine, in twitter idiot speak, un-permanently suspended, and opposed to Donald Trump being permanently suspended.
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There is much "wrong" with thinking that speech needs to be "correct"
Fine, in twitter idiot speak, un-permanently suspended, and opposed to Donald Trump being permanently suspended.
Obviously online communities can ban anything they want for any reason, but in terms of governments, I don't think "hate speech" should be banned unless it's directly inciting violence against people. It may be abhorrent and extremely offensive, but it should not be illegal. That's the whole purpose of the First Amendment.
But I have no problem with Twitter, MR, or any online communication platform banning speech that would be protected under the First Amendment as long as they are consistent and fair with it.
Speaking of the First Amendment (which is often misunderstood), people may find this interesting:
What Does Free Speech Mean?
Among other cherished values, the First Amendment protects freedom of speech. Learn about what this means.
Still waiting on Elon to restore my permanently-suspended account
I am sure that is high on his to do list. 😄 I am sure mine will never be restored. Zucky puts me in the clink more than my wife puts me in the dog house.Still waiting on Elon to restore my permanently-suspended account
The difference between the two is that pedophilia harms other children when acted upon. Gender dysphoria does not.
I don't see this, but then again, I don't go searching for that word.
The Rock Man in The Point said to Olio that "you see what you want to see, and you hear what you want to hear."
A report on the BBC News website said this about the Pelosi break-in and attack.
Paul Pelosi, 82, was taken to hospital after a break-in at their California home on Friday morning. He is expected to make a full recovery. The suspect, who has not been named, is in custody. They reportedly entered the home with a hammer and - after confronting Mr Pelosi - shouted "where is Nancy?".
Welcome to Donald's MAGA world. A world of cause and effect (as, of course, it always has been, hence treading lightly and with care in the world, achieving some level of self-awareness, and practising consideration of others, are impeccable values to hold and share; didn't religion used to teach that?). Instead, "Democratic process? Nah. Let's just storm the Capitol, cause some mayhem, and hang somebody." Isn't that where the furthest reaches of American politics now lies, thanks in part to a social-media-dominated culture?
For the US is surely in existential crisis and it urgently requires the vigorous attention of calm, reasoned heads, and that of socially committed public servants, not the bar-room 'policies' of fired-up, opinionated bigots populating social media forums and elsewhere, and most certainly not the damaging, society- and economy-undermining machinations of billionaire-class control freaks and bottom-line-addicted exploiters who have relentlessly shaped the country into, rather than the land of the free, instead one that is profoundly divided, fundamentally failing, and self-imprisoned.
Doesn't Trump have his own virtual cesspit – sorry, social media site, like Musk himself now has? It would seem that these places do not as a rule attract the clearest of thinkers – or even 'occasionally clear-thinkers' in many cases. But the consequences of their drip-feed social corrosion are ruinous. The digital 'town square' is where the bigots will freely congregate and with their noise drown out the voices of the reasonable and fair. And, in typical cause-and-effect manner, it will duly export its bile into the non-digital – that is to say, the real – world. It has already started, and will soon be irreversible, though maybe not yet inevitable.
We now live in a digital age when anyone can – and often does – have an opinion and, apparently, is 'entitled' to it. And they – we – will find a platform or platforms to voice them. However, visit a cesspit and you know what you're going to get – and it's not enlightened, civil and compassionate discourse. That usually gets hijacked very quickly along the way by the non-thinkers, the insufficiently informed and the flat-out blindly biased (to put it politely). Instead, a cesspit simply begins to stink.
As animals with large brains, it ought to be possible for humans to make a sustained collective effort to overcome our primitive tribal instincts (these easily manipulated, as we see today in the US, the UK, and around the world) and work out who and what the real 'enemies' are. These enemies are hiding in plain sight in all manner of places. First, however, one must be sufficiently well informed in order to begin to know where to look, or where to look a little closer. One must be a practised thinker. But such knowledge certainly won't be gained by exclusively resorting to Twitter, or Truth Social (clearly an irony-free zone) and the countless other snake oil salespeople and their poisonous outlets.
Meanwhile, in the 'real world', a mentally unbalanced person, affected by the zeigeist perhaps, set out to 'assassinate' (murder) an octogenarian politician in her own home, because of a (presumably) perceived conflict in political ideology. Cause and effect can and does have deadly serious consequences. It's surely time for big-mouthed politicians and others in the spotlight or in positions of great power to turn down the dials on their rhetoric and instead tap into some empathy, before it's too late. There's your first challenge, Elon.
Paul Pelosi, 82, was taken to hospital after a break-in at their California home on Friday morning. He is expected to make a full recovery. The suspect, who has not been named, is in custody. They reportedly entered the home with a hammer and - after confronting Mr Pelosi - shouted "where is Nancy?".
Welcome to Donald's MAGA world. A world of cause and effect (as, of course, it always has been, hence treading lightly and with care in the world, achieving some level of self-awareness, and practising consideration of others, are impeccable values to hold and share; didn't religion used to teach that?). Instead, "Democratic process? Nah. Let's just storm the Capitol, cause some mayhem, and hang somebody." Isn't that where the furthest reaches of American politics now lies, thanks in part to a social-media-dominated culture?
For the US is surely in existential crisis and it urgently requires the vigorous attention of calm, reasoned heads, and that of socially committed public servants, not the bar-room 'policies' of fired-up, opinionated bigots populating social media forums and elsewhere, and most certainly not the damaging, society- and economy-undermining machinations of billionaire-class control freaks and bottom-line-addicted exploiters who have relentlessly shaped the country into, rather than the land of the free, instead one that is profoundly divided, fundamentally failing, and self-imprisoned.
Doesn't Trump have his own virtual cesspit – sorry, social media site, like Musk himself now has? It would seem that these places do not as a rule attract the clearest of thinkers – or even 'occasionally clear-thinkers' in many cases. But the consequences of their drip-feed social corrosion are ruinous. The digital 'town square' is where the bigots will freely congregate and with their noise drown out the voices of the reasonable and fair. And, in typical cause-and-effect manner, it will duly export its bile into the non-digital – that is to say, the real – world. It has already started, and will soon be irreversible, though maybe not yet inevitable.
We now live in a digital age when anyone can – and often does – have an opinion and, apparently, is 'entitled' to it. And they – we – will find a platform or platforms to voice them. However, visit a cesspit and you know what you're going to get – and it's not enlightened, civil and compassionate discourse. That usually gets hijacked very quickly along the way by the non-thinkers, the insufficiently informed and the flat-out blindly biased (to put it politely). Instead, a cesspit simply begins to stink.
As animals with large brains, it ought to be possible for humans to make a sustained collective effort to overcome our primitive tribal instincts (these easily manipulated, as we see today in the US, the UK, and around the world) and work out who and what the real 'enemies' are. These enemies are hiding in plain sight in all manner of places. First, however, one must be sufficiently well informed in order to begin to know where to look, or where to look a little closer. One must be a practised thinker. But such knowledge certainly won't be gained by exclusively resorting to Twitter, or Truth Social (clearly an irony-free zone) and the countless other snake oil salespeople and their poisonous outlets.
Meanwhile, in the 'real world', a mentally unbalanced person, affected by the zeigeist perhaps, set out to 'assassinate' (murder) an octogenarian politician in her own home, because of a (presumably) perceived conflict in political ideology. Cause and effect can and does have deadly serious consequences. It's surely time for big-mouthed politicians and others in the spotlight or in positions of great power to turn down the dials on their rhetoric and instead tap into some empathy, before it's too late. There's your first challenge, Elon.
So you don't believe in property rights as protected by the US constitution?
Why should the government direct private companies how they organise their property?
No, those kinds of rights are a very American idea. In the German constitution we have a clause "With ownership come duties". That very much restricts what you can do with things you own. That might sound like socialism for an American, but it avoids many problems that America has. For example it gives the government a tool against excessive drug prices. You also can't do anything that is a threat to democracy. We even have laws that force owners of television channels to give some hours of screen time per week to third party media like big newspapers. In the weeks before TV channels and radio stations also have to air a certain amount of political ads for every party for free. While in the US you need a lot of money to show your ads on TV, in Germany even the smallest political party gets free air time. That is a duty for democracy that comes with owning a TV channel.
Which has nothing to do with the point I was making. The point was both groups of people are dealing with thoughts and feelings they'd most likely rather not be dealing with and were born with a predisposition towards, yet people will freak out when one group is mocked and call it hate speech, yet join the mockers with pitchforks and torches when the other group is mocked and even go so far as to call for their death (even if they haven't touched a child . . . the mere admission that they even struggled with the thoughts is enough to condemn them in this knee-jerk, emotionally-driven society).
Anyway, I certainly wouldn't compare either gender dysphoria or sexual preference (whether it can be legally acted on or not) to race.
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Emotional response to pedophiles is understandable (although wrong if they haven’t actually done anything) because many pedophiles have hurt children before. Trans people have not, at least not more than the general public. Only way it’s not as bad as racism is that it hurt fewer people than racism.
yeaaaah let's keep it how it's been with all the whack jobs chucking hissy fits over every pissy thing they fein offence over or just wanna have an ego trip as part of the "mob". The incessant propaganda as these social media zombies have been lead by one false narrative after another. Racist this, Russia that, Climate change hysteria, Covid overreaction, Orange man bad, Black live matter scam.
They vilified border guards on horseback over lies about whipping that never happened. They call Kyle Rittenhouse a murderer because he didn't willingly get beaten to death by a group of rioting felons including a pedophile. In a sickening twist they make martyrs of literal criminals and celebrated cities burning.
Every town, city, state & country that has been governed by politicians pandering to the woke mob has made their towns, cities, states & countries the worse they've been in decades. Record inflation, record crime, record poverty, so much winning at losing.
Lolololol. You actually think Greta Thunberg was the beginning of climate legislation?
Someone needs to lay off the Fox News
Elon will take Twitter Private. He will run it for 2-3yrs doing permanent damage to millions. Then he will take it Public. Make millions upon millions and walk away laughing at all the Sheep in here believing he actually will do what he says. 🤔
Obviously online communities can ban anything they want for any reason, but in terms of governments, I don't think "hate speech" should be banned unless it's directly inciting violence against people. It may be abhorrent and extremely offensive, but it should not be illegal. That's the whole purpose of the First Amendment.
But I have no problem with Twitter, MR, or any online communication platform banning speech that would be protected under the First Amendment as long as they are consistent and fair with it.
Speaking of the First Amendment (which is often misunderstood), people may find this interesting:
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What Does Free Speech Mean?
Among other cherished values, the First Amendment protects freedom of speech. Learn about what this means.www.uscourts.gov
twitter is global.
glad you need rules for free speech.
There’s nobody who fits that profile who are overtly left-wing politically though…of course not. The only bad guys out there are right wingers. /s
1. At least Paul didn’t get arrested for being hammered this time.
2. Another productive day at Twitter I see. 😂
I know
Is "you" referring to the US and is "rules" referring to the Supreme Court rulings I posted screen shots of? Not sure what you're getting at.
Shall we get the fainting couch for you? Go ahead and post pictures from some of those books “the right is burning”. Let’s see how long it takes for you to get banned. And yes, I’m talking about those ones, not the Adventures of Huckleberry Finn and To Kill a Mockingbird. (Oh wait isn’t that the left banning those?) 🤯
