Subpar compared to what? No other EV has over 150 miles.
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Elon Musk: If You Don't Make It at Tesla, You Go Work at Apple
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"... sufficient enough to prove that EVs are viable and not sub-par to ICEVs"
Yes, I am sure all the people it happened to was just a stunt
Yea, pretty much. It only happened to a few people, and you had to put a lot of pressure just at the right spot to make it happen. Most of them happened purposely for the sake of YouTube videos.
And the first iPhone didn't have 3G, MMS, cut and paste, Exchange email, etc.
But EV tech is improving faster than ICE technology.
My point is that they are still sub-par... not that they always will be.
Look, I'm a sport-car fan... I could care less if it's ICE or EV powered.
Right now, I couldn't even drive a Tesla from the dealership to where I live, even if I had the money.
Yea, I guess I'm referring more to the US car companies... I agree that real solutions will come from Germany, maybe Japan... if Germany isn't do damaged by VW's stupidity.
I also agree on solar. The only real solar solutions I've seen are the large, commercial scale plants.
BTW, most fans of solar I've talked to don't see it as being the whole solution... but they think if every home had roof covered with panels, it would so much ease the load, etc. But, if you're doing it for environmental reasons, you have to access the impact of production of those cells (and disposal), and the batteries, etc.
re: large sedan with 500hp - I'm sure Musk knows that. Most of these kinds of things start out in high-end luxury vehicles. The whole point of the Model S is to impress. And, that it does. i.e.: break the stereotype of electric cars, and get all the big players and influencers of society on-board. It's marketing, not currently a real problem solution.
I want one because I'm a sports car fanatic.
If you are a sport's car fanatic, then go buy an Alfa Romeo 4C. You are looking in the wrong place with Teslas.
Buy a car you gonna use for fun, and sports, and forget about the environment. The teslas won't ever cut it. There is a reason why the most technologically advanced vehicles in the world (F1 cars) are light (600kg)
Solar panels: the only way these can be a viable solution is when you just install solars on your roof, and sell the energy back to the grid. This way you can forget about batteries (that is COMPLETELY wrong and unnecessary link) expenses and complexity.
You are a mini producer, and for this to happen you need 3 things:
1. A decent governmental policy for a contract that will allow you to earn a decent 5-10% of your investment
2. A house with a roof, in a place that is sunny. Remember that PVs are so very NOT efficient (<15%) that they need all the sun they can get. So a roof in London is out of luck, whereas a roof in Sunny California is ok.
3. A decent search on equipment that will secure you profit in the end. We are talking here about an investment plan that will go 20-25 years in the future. If you believe you can commit the go ahead... Mind you, if you ever think about selling your house, the new owner should accept and buy your investment too! Not that easy
It's not the storage the problem.
Technically, the bigger issue is how you connect that thing to the local grid. Then how you gonna make a decent switch that will switch you back to grid power when your power needs exceeds the power that thing can give. Tesla as always i s very cryptic with their specs, they only say that the battery can drive constantly a load of just 2KWs only, and can PEAK to 3 if necessary. But thats basically nothing more than one electric plate of your stove. As I said, electricity storage is not yet solved efficiently, so your weak link here is the powerwall product with batteries.
Instead you can easily let your PV array make electricity on the spot and you can sell it back to the grid and never need intermediary batteries. Just PVs that will last for 25 years. This is where you always look at first: http://www.sma.de/en/home-systems/overview.html
I think they improved the battery technology, not sure. Whatever it was, they brought out the most practical electric cars yet. I'm a little frustrated too that they're getting government subsidies for making high-end cars that most people can't afford. But they've taken the important step of showing everyone that electric cars can actually replace gasoline cars; others have tried and failed to do that for over a decade. Also, there's nothing stopping them from slowly moving towards more affordable cars. I remember when I first heard of them and their $120K base price electric Elise clone...
I was talking about the current offerings like the Nissan Leaf or Ford Focus Electric. Both of those cars can't go more than 100 Miles on a full charge! That has to change before Electric cars can go mainstream!
On that single parameter, yes, but my point was that this combined with all the other benefits offered by EVs have convinced many people that they're overall actually better cars than ICEVs.
People have different requirements and I'm pretty sure 250 miles is sufficient for most people in most cases. The ever-improving network of superchargers also helps a lot with the range.
So you are saying that you need rocket scientists? Where is apple going to find rocket scientists? Wait, there is that one company in California, what's it called, Space-Y?
Bugger off, my brand new Yeti arrives in 6 weeks!
Haha there was no offence meant and as I said, good, solid cars with VW underpinnings
I'm sure we'd all be running around in AMG G65's if it wasn't for other constraints in our lives 
its funny that tesla hire workers from the ''the tesla graveyard'' resurrection mode on
Rocket science jokes don't quite work with the CEO of Space X.
In a new interview with German newspaper Handelsblatt (via Business Insider), Tesla CEO Elon Musk spoke about his thoughts on the much-rumored Apple Car. Additionally, Musk was asked what he thought about Apple hiring away some of Tesla's "most important engineers."
Musk was then asked whether he takes Apple's car ambitions seriously, to which he joked "did you ever take a look at the Apple Watch?" He went on to say that it was good Apple was moving toward and investing in a car, saying that it's the "next logical thing" for the company to offer "significant innovation."
The Tesla CEO went on to poke fun at the newly announced Apple Pencil and iPad Pro, saying that innovation in the form of a new pencil or a bigger iPad are "not relevant enough." However, Musk cautions that cars are far more complex than smartphones and smartwatches. "You can't just go to a supplier like Foxconn and say: Build me a car," Musk told the German newspaper.
Apple and Tesla have hired each other's employees over the course of the last year, with Musk saying that Apple has hired away "very few people" from the car company despite offering $250,000 signing bonuses and 60 percent salary increases to its employees. Tesla has hired nearly 150 Apple employees.
Article Link: Elon Musk: If You Don't Make It at Tesla, You Go Work at Apple
The head of GM said the exact same thing about Tesla when they were still trying to build a car.
Is this a joke? You know that Tesla holds patents for hundreds of things, but mostly for advancement of batteries. Tesla is truly revolutionizing the rechargeable battery world. In the time other battery cars get 60 - 100 miles per charge, Tesla is over 250 miles. And cars are only the beginning, before you know it their technology will make it to the next 'magical' iPhone. It will give you a papercut and last for a week on a single charge
Did I say patents? Yea... They are making them FREE and AVAILABLE for other car manufacturers.
You can have problems with the CEO (who I think is a pioneer), but you can't deny Tesla their work. Read on Wikipedia, it's free
Not to mention that autopilot goes live this Thursday on thousands of cars with an OTA download.
http://fortune.com/2015/10/11/tesla-software-7-autopilot/
What other manufacturer can say that?
http://fortune.com/2015/10/11/tesla-software-7-autopilot/
What other manufacturer can say that?
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No kidding. Look at Apple's exploding profits and market cap under Cook. That guy could turn a profit on radio players