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I don't recognize all the people in the photo... but that's Musk with a bozo. They were probably referring to real leaders.
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Elon Musk: If You Don't Make It at Tesla, You Go Work at Apple
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I don't recognize all the people in the photo... but that's Musk with a bozo. They were probably referring to real leaders.
Fair point... but it's also hard to look at the current trajectory and think otherwise. They've moved from user-experience being job #1 to profits being job #1. That's only going to work for so long.
Yeah. No "real leader" like the leader of the free world, huh? **** outta here. You're THAT GUY who describes the president as "Obozo" in anonymous comments online, aren't you? Disgusting.
No offense, but are you in a position to define "leaders" I mean... Canada? Come on, don't make me spit out my coffee.
Bring your politics to the political sub forum, otherwise, leave it at the door.
Yea, I guess I'm referring more to the US car companies... I agree that real solutions will come from Germany, maybe Japan... if Germany isn't do damaged by VW's stupidity.
I also agree on solar. The only real solar solutions I've seen are the large, commercial scale plants.
BTW, most fans of solar I've talked to don't see it as being the whole solution... but they think if every home had roof covered with panels, it would so much ease the load, etc. But, if you're doing it for environmental reasons, you have to access the impact of production of those cells (and disposal), and the batteries, etc.
re: large sedan with 500hp - I'm sure Musk knows that. Most of these kinds of things start out in high-end luxury vehicles. The whole point of the Model S is to impress. And, that it does. i.e.: break the stereotype of electric cars, and get all the big players and influencers of society on-board. It's marketing, not currently a real problem solution.
I want one because I'm a sports car fanatic.
And, that will only work so long as most of the customers aren't on solar!
OK, I'd love to know how you're pulling that off.
I have a good friend in S.F. who's invested quite a bit in solar for his home... also has an EV and charges it while not at home (for free), and still isn't ANYWHERE NEAR a zero electric bill.
That's a very good point. If built right, EVs should require very little service.
Maybe that's because the reception issue was actually real, whereas the bend issue was a stunt.
Plus, if I've been reading the articles correctly, the amounts of storage are minuscule compared to what any typical home needs (or an EV, for that matter).
Ahh... so you're mostly natural gas for heat/hot-water? And, have some kind of natural gas generator?
While I agree it's cleaner (better) than coal, you're not exactly all-electric there. I'm not saying it's not a step... but the way you'd initially talked, I thought you had somehow gone all solar/electric.
I'm not sure how anyone could think it's bad design... if so, it's a really uninformed stupid opinion. Useless design, maybe.. but bad design?
I think it's more a shock reaction.... when you hear someone who is otherwise quite brilliant make really, really stupid comments... what kind of reaction do you expect?
Yeah. No "real leader" like the leader of the free world, huh? **** outta here. You're THAT GUY who describes the president as "Obozo" in anonymous comments online, aren't you? Disgusting.
No offense, but are you in a position to define "leaders" I mean... Canada? Come on, don't make me spit out my coffee.
Bring your politics to the political sub forum, otherwise, leave it at the door.
No, I'm not the person just making up silly stuff like Obozo (I was just trying to be more family-friendly than how I'd actually refer to him!)... I'd take on you or Obama on any day concerning all the really dumb stuff he's done or said (assuming you support him in those decisions). I don't care if he's the leader of the galactic federation... he's no leader and he's either an incredible idiot, or has an objective which is very anti-American. (And, I'm also not a Republican... most of them are idiots too.) (But, you're right... probably not the right place for a political debate... I was simply commenting on the photo posted.)
True, it's my opinion based on what I've been seeing in the last few years compared to the last, what, almost THIRTY years I've been following Apple, and TWENTY-FIVE years I've been working with and recommending them. If you want to simply discount that... go for it.
No you didn't. You said in your opinion electric cars are more meaningful than iDevices, but you failed to explain how Tesla supposedly helps to advance electric cars? Hint, not at all. Before Tesla the electric engine was widely regarded as the future drive for all cars. Thanks to Elon Musk it turned into an expensive toy for the super rich. At least Apple iToys are useful for everybody. Even refugees use smartphones to find their way. How's that for helping the world?
While I share your general sentiment here, I'm not sure you're being fair to Tesla though. I'd say the point is more that Apple has done a LOT for the world, likely far more than Tesla, but that doesn't mean Tesla won't one day.
Yes, they put together a lot of existing technology. Heck, I might have been following AC Propulsion (and some of the tech) before Elon was, but I didn't have the expertise or money to act on it... Elon did. Even the people who actually had the initial idea and started building the company likely wouldn't have been successful without Musk.
But, when you take a look at what they've actually accomplished, it's pretty amazing. A small Silicon Valley startup now has one of the most refined vehicles ever built, and they are well on their way in bringing that down to average consumer levels. Don't forget that the original Macs were well beyond the reach of the average consumer too. Tesla's more at where Apple was in the late-80s for a parallel.
That's not really fair - he's up against every oil lobbyist in the world. While common sense would tell you they should care just as much as the commonfolk about climate change, the truth is they don't and it's all about the dollar. It isn't easy to release the technology he wants at an affordable price yet, but it's coming.
Baloney... he's just on the cutting edge of technology, which is still quite expensive when you're making small numbers of units. He's not up against the oil lobby, though it does seem like he's driven by the global warming theory stuff.
You can use PowerWall with solar. Why would that matter?
I live in the East Bay and we get plenty of sun. Many of my neighbors have zero electricity bills. Though they don't have EVs.
He's certainly up against Big Auto who is sponsoring legislation through NADA to prevent Tesla from being sold in certain states.
The cheaper rates during those times are cheaper for a reason.
Unless I'm missing something, it takes far more solar than one could fit on a typical home to power said home. But, I think I discovered the secret via one of your other posts... if you can run all the heavy stuff off natural gas, then sure.
Not true. A normal home has enough roof space to put enough solar to power said home.
http://www.solarpowerrocks.com/square-feet-solar-roof/
Before Tesla people were talking about how electric cars were the future, but that's all it was, talk. Tesla is the first company to push through with it and created EVs that are actually useable. They were the first to achieve range and performance sufficient enough to prove that EVs are viable and not sub-par to ICEVs.
You're insinuating that Musk has somehow prevented cheaper EVs from being created, care to explain how so? Tesla have released all their patents so that other companies can use their technology and help the transition from ICEVs to EVs.
Saying they have contributed nothing is incredibly ignorant.
Well, according to that site's example, they'd be at about 1/2 the necessary electric production for the average US home... IF they could store it all for the right times.
250 miles is quite sub-par... otherwise, I agree. (ex: I have about a 500 mile range, and where I live, sometimes need it.)