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Look at fossil fuels who literally can not exist without the $5 trillion a year they get in subsidies whereas Tesla gets no subsides from government.
They got a loan which they paid back early and the buyers USED to get a tax credit which went to them and not Tesla so please do better research !
I am talking government regulatory credits that they get for free and turn around and sell them. Almost made twice as much income as actual vehicle sales income. If the credits go away that’s 2/3 of their income that reporting out of the same bucket. Eventually other auto makers won’t need these when can meet thresholds on their own.
 
Well, Elon Musk actually “thinks different”. Maybe innovations actually would take place instead of constantly building liquidity.
With Elon over half of Apple's products would turn out like AirPower - pre-announced, then turns out it doesn't ship for years if ever.
 
This was envisioned for decades. He just made it happen with taxpayer money using out of work NASA engineers that had been working on it.

He gets billions from our wallets:

I don’t understand how that makes any difference. They also thought up an alcubierre drive… but when someone builds one, that will be a big deal.
 
So 3 more examples of innovative thinking… that’s your argument? I’m not a musk follower. I don’t watch his keynotes or follow him in any way. However, to say or think the guy isn’t innovative is the peak of ignorance. One guy doing worldwide internet, electric cars, rebuilding spaceflight, and aiming to be on the moon and Mars in 10 years. Give me a break.
 
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Lmao, Tim Cook is a savage. Steve Jobs was very adamant to have him as next CEO before he passed, for good reason. Other CEOs would’ve either caved or reject him nicely.

Elon Musk is nothing but a tech conman. He peddles his half baked garbage to the tech nerds with deep wallets. He’s not funny at all and using 14 year old memes isn’t a personality.

“F— you” - Tim Cook lmao
Elon Musk, a tech conman? Building Landing Rockets, 1st Private rocket went to space, 1st Private rocket to sent supply and humans to the ISS, 1st car company entered into mass production after nearly 100 years, Person who started the modern space race and Electric Car revolution and did and doing much more.
 
You know what would be even better than Elon Musk being CEO of Apple? Tim Cook being CEO of Tesla. Things would actually ship on time and quality control would be miles better.
 
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Musk was certainly a good first mover getting into electric before everybody else. It’s far from certain, and truly unlikely, his product can maintain momentum as all the other OEMs move into that segment. They are likely to eat his lunch.

Musk Space has great tech but it is not really scalable to a large consumer base. Very few people are going to want to go live on the moon or mars and aside from those destinations, there’s nowhere else to go (also given how his rocket pollutes the F out of the upper atmosphere, it’s likely that before too long all kerosene fired space tourist jaunts will have to be banned.)

So I give him credit for what he’s done so far but I question its robustness against competition and external events and thus it’s mid-term sustainability and long term survivability.
He is years ahead of competition. Several other car manufactures are actually using Tesla technology (Mercedes, etc).
SpaceX landed a rocket, when NASA with years of experience could not do it. How competition is going to eat Tesla for Lunch is beyond belief.
 
Even if true I wouldn't blame Cook.

But I doubt Musk is hurting about it. Tesla is still the electric leader for the foreseeable future; as least quite a few years to decade. If I was buying an electric car it would likely be a Telsa (especially due to the charging network, it will take years for others to come close).
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The number of registrations is declining. The hype is over. And the market is much bigger in China, where hardly anyone buys Tesla.
Tesla is not a market leader.

I am curious to see if the market will still open up to new propulsion systems, as some speculate (direct propulsion with hydrogen produced in deserts by solar energy).

That would be real innovation. What Musk is doing: screwing electric motors into cars.
 
The question is that under Cook Apple has not made a single amazing or new product.
All the products basically came from Jobs era or built upon his ideas of products he wanted to do but dod not get round to.

Cook is just a money man, a bean counter and under him Apple has become stale and boring.
I say that as a fan of the company and someone who has owned an iPhone since the iPhone 4s

YOU ARE MOSTLY RIGHT! Steve Jobs launched numerous groundbreaking product before stepping down as a CEO of Apple in 2011 to underwent rehabilitation.

Conversely, Tim Cook isn't keen on making the best product and that's why there are problems with butterfly keyboards and stagnation. I don't believe Tim Cook cares about breakthrough innovation or possesses the skill to contribute great ideas for Apple products because there are just minor improvements.

Aside from that, many people can remember how ridiculous the price of new 2019 Apple Display that cost 5x more ($5000) that doesn't include a monitor stand. It's a reminder that Tim Cook is no better than Steve Ballmer.
 
So if this is true, the CEO of the company who was looking to be bought due to financial hardship at the time, wanted to run the entire firm and replace the CEO of the company who was doing the buying? Does anyone know if an acquisition of that nature has ever been done?
Apple buying NeXT -- that is exactly what happened although, not just NeXT was in financial trouble, Apple was as well.

That said IMO the story is false. For it to be true, both Musk & Cook would have to be lying right now
 
Telsa wouldnt turn any profit if not for government subsidies.
Tesla just made a billion $$ in profit the last quarter and it came from cars not "government subsidies". Last I checked the two car companies the government bailed out recently were GM & Chrysler.
 
Elon is polarizing. I think it’s hard for a lot of people to grapple that a guy can be both an innovational billionaire and simultaneously a guy that gets easily bent out of shape over people talking about him on Twitter.

How he stays out of serious trouble with the SEC absolutely blows me away.

Musk is a weird dude. Jobs was a weird dude too.
Musk did get fined by SEC for his "Am considering taking Tesla private at $420. Funding secured." tweet and had to have his tweeting supervised, etc. Any more major punishment, like getting indicted in a criminal trial, you need to be like the Nikola ex-CEO Trevor Milton, who was clearly a fraudster with his fake truck going downhill. I am amazed that GM CEO Barra hasn't gotten into trouble for publicly supporting Nikola.

But yes, it is hard to find a groundbreaking, disruptive CEO/company founder who isn't "weird". The main differences between Jobs and Musk are that Jobs predated the Tweeter age and that Jobs' companies did advertising, while Musk's do not
 
If he comes to Apple i’m out for good! I just hate that guy and everything he does
 
How about all the people who paid $10k for “full self driving” that was coming “any day now” for the last several years?
Not exactly - when FSD launched in 2016 it cost $5,000. As its features have improved the price has gone up. There are countless videos on YouTube demoing the latest beta updates. I love Autopilot and some of the FSD only features like auto lane changing on highways and Summons (having the car drive itself out of your garage without ever going near it).

A good argument can be made that is someone spent $7,000 on FSD hoping to get their money back by turning their Tesla into a Robotaxi by the following year has every right to feel gypped. But I have a feeling that most people who signed up for FSD did it because they were very eager to start using the *existing* features, and feel they are supporting something they would love to keep getting more from, even if it is arriving in "Elon time"
 
That's NOT even the BIG picture !

Under Cook, Apple has never acquired a company with a Founder OR CEO who has a track record of "innovation".

Why ?

Because Tim knows that person will replace him as CEO of Apple within ONE year !

Under Cook, Apple's success is primarily based-upon Financial Engineering, massive amounts of Debt for Stock Buybacks & Dividend Payouts.

But, Apple isn't the ONLY company doing so the past ten OR so years, there are many.

Regardless, I'm sure he knows precisely where he stands, he's a Bean Counter.

And, in a (private) Back Room Meeting, I'm 100% confident Cook would agree with everything I've stated here.
I’m not so sure about Tim Cook Or him being replaced by an acquired CEO, but there’s no question stock buybacks should be illegal
 
Well, Elon Musk actually “thinks different”. Maybe innovations actually would take place instead of constantly building liquidity.
Musk values constant liquidity too...in the form of crypto hustles. HaHa.
 
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