Elon Musk Reportedly Demanded to Become Apple CEO as Part of Potential Tesla Acquisition [Update: Musk Denies]

[OverTheHill]

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Like him or hate him… Don’t be obtuse.

This was envisioned for decades. He just made it happen with taxpayer money using out of work NASA engineers that had been working on it.

He gets billions from our wallets:

Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies

Los Angeles entrepreneur Elon Musk has built a multibillion-dollar fortune running companies that make electric cars, sell solar panels and launch rockets into space.

www.latimes.com

 

[hot-gril]

This was envisioned for decades. He just made it happen with taxpayer money using out of work NASA engineers that had been working on it.

He gets billions from our wallets:

Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies

Los Angeles entrepreneur Elon Musk has built a multibillion-dollar fortune running companies that make electric cars, sell solar panels and launch rockets into space.

www.latimes.com

How come NASA couldn't do it with taxpayer money?

 

[mi7chy]

Good thing Musk didn't get distracted with running Apple otherwise we wouldn't have Tesla, SpaceX and Starlink which have greater significance but, on the other hand, if he can run three companies then what's another that's relatively low tech?

 

[shplock]

Tim Cook said the f word 😭😭😭. He was right to hang up on him.

The market says otherwise, have you seen Tesla's value today compared to back then?
Hint: It is a LOT higher!

I am laughing at how stupid and dumb Cook is for not buying Tesla.

 

[shplock]

Honestly I would’ve said and done the same thing

Then you would have made the same mistake Cook made.
I do not think that any demand was made and I do not think that the phone call happened as this report essentially was backed up by the WSJ who are the last place you go to for accurate information.

I do though believe that Musk did reach out to Cook who arrogantly refused to communicate back.

Big mistake Cook, big, huge!

Let us all look at where the so called Apple car is and how behind schedule that is!

It is now a laughing stock of the car world.

 

[shplock]

I swear Musk was just screwing with Cook. He never would’ve sold Tesla and that was his was of saying it

He would have. He nearly sold it to Google founder Larry Page

 

[shplock]

Well if anyone has watched any of Tesla’s keynotes they leave a lot to be desired

Same for Apple, have you see how awful their crappy products are of late?

 

[shplock]

No wonder he’s salty about Apple🤣🤪

phone call never took place so I doubt it.

 

[shplock]

Hard to innovate when you have no money (i.e. - liquidity) to support R&D.

I expect Musk would not have lasted long as CEO - he either would have been dismissed by the Board or tossed in a shareholder lawsuit. I mean it would be John Scully all over again.

More like the employees would stage a revolt if that happened.
They love Elon more than Cook because he reminds them of Jobs who was ten times the leader that Cook ever could be.

 

[shplock]

It's the old don't rock the boat syndrome. At their peak profits so why change?

But once those do slide, they do for everyone at some point, what will be there to catch them? That is the bigger long-term question.

The question is that under Cook Apple has not made a single amazing or new product.
All the products basically came from Jobs era or built upon his ideas of products he wanted to do but dod not get round to.

Cook is just a money man, a bean counter and under him Apple has become stale and boring.
I say that as a fan of the company and someone who has owned an iPhone since the iPhone 4s

 

[shplock]

If true, bravo Tim.

If untrue, bravo Tim.

If true stupid Cook
If untrue stupid Cook!

 

[shplock]

Musk was certainly a good first mover getting into electric before everybody else. It’s far from certain, and truly unlikely, his product can maintain momentum as all the other OEMs move into that segment. They are likely to eat his lunch.

Musk Space has great tech but it is not really scalable to a large consumer base. Very few people are going to want to go live on the moon or mars and aside from those destinations, there’s nowhere else to go (also given how his rocket pollutes the F out of the upper atmosphere, it’s likely that before too long all kerosene fired space tourist jaunts will have to be banned.)

So I give him credit for what he’s done so far but I question its robustness against competition and external events and thus it’s mid-term sustainability and long term survivability.

No! LOL
been hearing that crap since 2012, that the big boys will eat Tesla's lunch and nearly 10 years later they still are nowhere even near that.

Listen to experts such as Sandy Munro who says Tesla has no competition and will not do for over 10 yers.

 

[shplock]

Exactly, Elon definitely has the arrogance and certainly the huge ego to make such a demand, and I can imagine Tim telling him where to go and hanging up. I won’t be surprised at all if this was true. I despise Elon for his character, admire him for what he’s built, but as a character I find him incredibly nauseating.

No!
Elon has very little ego whereas Cook is all ego!

 

[shplock]

All the way to the bank. Suffered all the way to the bank.

Apple could have been 5 times better under anyone else, so yeah they did suffer.

 

[shplock]

You're correct. Milton is a con man, but Elon is simply a grifter. He may be the greatest grifter of our time, but still just a grifter.

No no and err no! lol
A grifter means someone who is a con man but I see no con.
Tell me what is a con and does not exist at Tesla or likely to exist?
The Model S?
The Model X?
The Model 3?
The Model Y?


Shall I go on?

 

[shplock]

I could see Jobs saying F*** you to Musk, but Cook? I think he would be too polite to say that even if he wanted to. Don't get me wrong, Cook has been doing amazing things for Apple but he is different as a person in that way.

I think the phone call did not happen and that for the record Cook can be very arrogant and highly rude and nasty.

 

[cmaier]

No no and err no! lol
A grifter means someone who is a con man but I see no con.
Tell me what is a con and does not exist at Tesla or likely to exist?
The Model S?
The Model X?
The Model 3?
The Model Y?


Shall I go on?

How about all the people who paid $10k for “full self driving” that was coming “any day now” for the last several years?

 

[shplock]

And yet he did add 2 trillion, no stockholders want a "spicy" CEO, and your little quip about "rainbow" did not go unnoticed, so thanks for telling everyone what you're about.

yet Apple could have been worth over $4 trillion under a better more dynamic leader than Cook.

 

[cmaier]

I think the phone call did not happen and that for the record Cook can be very arrogant and highly rude and nasty.

Tim Cook meets with many many people every day.

Where are the reports of him being highly rude and nasty?

 

[cmaier]

yet Apple could have been worth over $4 trillion under a better more dynamic leader than Cook.

You keep saying it, but just like your comment about Tim Cook being nasty, you have zero evidence for any of it. What computer company has done better re: sales growth, stock growth, profits, etc. than Apple in the time he’s run Apple?

 

[shplock]

OK so let’s go back to 2009, or around that time when Steve Jobs was still around.
In that year alone, Apple made all of the batteries in the entire MacBook lineup non-replaceable. He also removed the firewire port, a popular port of the time, from several of their computers.
In 2010, Apple introduced the iPad, a product that is not upgradable at all, as well as the second generation MacBook Air which, on top of losing several ports and having a brand new MagSafe cable that was not compatible with old ones, was even less upgradable than any of their other laptops.
And let’s not forget that under Steve Jobs, Mac OS X lion began the iOSafication of the Mac, and The MacBook Pro with retina display began development under Steve Jobs, a product which was even less upgradable than anything else, not even letting you upgrade the RAM.
If you truly think that Steve Jobs was a mascot for upgradability, he was not. He did not want Apple products to be messed with.
Steve Jobs also loved white bezels. The new 24 iMac with colorful aluminum and glass, that’s extremely extremely thin, and isn’t upgradable at all would be a product that Steve Jobs would have been very proud of.

Nobody is saying that Jobs wanted open upgradable Macs etc but we are saying that Cook is lousy and just a money man with no I mean NO ideas of his own.

 

[shplock]

The infrastructure bill that just passed has a provision for a coast to coast charging stations as part of the Democrats green push. I see this as Elon trying to play the good guy because he knows the screws are tightening. Lotta competition now from other car manufacturers in the electric space. I do like Elon but this is how I see it.

They said their was competition coming for Tesla back in 2012 and still they are coming so yeah we will hear this crap in another 10 years.
Legacy auto have no chance to beat Tesla..end of!

 

[cmaier]

We tried AutoPilot for 5 minutes and decided never to use it again because the anxiety of monitoring the system to make sure it doesn't drive you into a lamp post + the general jitter of the drive itself (it doesn't drive like a human, it feels very unnatural) wasn't worth it. It's honestly easier to drive yourself + maybe use radar cruise control.

I can see that self driving vehicles taxi pods with no steering wheel that drive mostly pre-mapped city streets as replacement for city cabs could be very useful but I have no interest in owning a car that I can't control myself.

Same experience here. My Model S was in the shop for a month so they gave me a loaner with autopilot. I used it whenever i could, to get a feel for what it was like. It was actually quite terrifying.

You need to pay complete attention, hands on the wheel, foot covering the pedals, ready to take control instantaneously, because you never know what the car is going to do (quite convinced it tried to kill me on 101S at the 85 interchange by aiming for a median). Given that, it’s easier to just drive.

And the intended use model is that, anyway - you are SUPPOSED to have your hands on the wheel ready to take control. That’s worse than just taking control.

 

[shplock]

Telsa wouldnt turn any profit if not for government subsidies.

Wrong!
Thanks for playing!

Look at fossil fuels who literally can not exist without the $5 trillion a year they get in subsidies whereas Tesla gets no subsides from government.
They got a loan which they paid back early and the buyers USED to get a tax credit which went to them and not Tesla

 

[shplock]

That 6% means nothing. Companies are what they are just because all the things that hapend to them, if you buy a car, taht car would change in your own way. So maybe apple would screw up tesla, who knows.

thats way it worth buying super big companies instead to replicate their busines.

The 6% means everything!
It means that IF Apple had bought Tesla and allowed Musk to continue to lead Tesla then thing would happen pretty much how they have and Apple would be worth a lot more than they are today.

It is like saying Yahoo did not buy Google for $1 million and that was not a mistake.