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Elon has weird behavior but he's far from a con-man. He has created a new US automobile company with $1B sales last quarter and made 200,000 cars. If you want a con-man, look at Trevor Milton, founder of Nikola, who was indicted by a grand jury on three counts of criminal fraud.
You're correct. Milton is a con man, but Elon is simply a grifter. He may be the greatest grifter of our time, but still just a grifter.
 
He added about 2 trillion dollars. I wouldn't call that nothing.
He's plain and boring. End of story. I wouldn't say he himself added 2 trillion. They have people for that. He's just the CEO and adds no spice to the company at all. Although he probably did request another rainbow apple watch band to be added to the line.
 
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Elon Musk not making any friends
Or acquiring new customers by his comments against Cook and Co. judging the App Store for its fees
Even during his latest Earnings conference call he made negative inferences about Apple
Elon now that most of the auto industry has or going to have EV you’ll be fighting for sales soon enough
 
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He's plain and boring. End of story. I wouldn't say he himself added 2 trillion. They have people for that. He's just the CEO and adds no spice to the company at all. Although he probably did request another rainbow apple watch band to be added to the line.
Under Tim Cook, Apple added 2 Trillion. he was in charge as CEO, all decisions ultimately go to through him, so yes. He is responsible for Apple's success. Did he do it alone? No, but neither did Steve Jobs. They both just led others in a way that the who team succeeded.

(Also CEO's are supposed to be plain and boring. Their job is to run the company, not personally produce entertainment for the internet/news)
 
I could see Jobs saying F*** you to Musk, but Cook? I think he would be too polite to say that even if he wanted to. Don't get me wrong, Cook has been doing amazing things for Apple but he is different as a person in that way.
 
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He's plain and boring. End of story. I wouldn't say he himself added 2 trillion. They have people for that. He's just the CEO and adds no spice to the company at all. Although he probably did request another rainbow apple watch band to be added to the line.

And yet he did add 2 trillion, no stockholders want a "spicy" CEO, and your little quip about "rainbow" did not go unnoticed, so thanks for telling everyone what you're about.
 
I could see Jobs saying F*** you to Musk, but Cook? I think he would be too polite to say that even if he wanted to. Don't get me wrong, Cook has been doing amazing things for Apple but he is different as a person in that way.
I dunno. The guy seems pretty even-keeled but everyone has their point where they drop the niceties, and someone demanding they get your job as part of an acquisition seems like a place you might be personally offended.
 
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He's plain and boring. End of story. I wouldn't say he himself added 2 trillion. They have people for that. He's just the CEO and adds no spice to the company at all. Although he probably did request another rainbow apple watch band to be added to the line.
So what you're saying is that anybody (even a boring person) with no skills could be in charge of one of the worlds biggest and most profitable companies and make it thrive even more?
 
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I dunno. The guy seems pretty even-keeled but everyone has their point where they drop the niceties, and someone demanding they get your job as part of an acquisition seems like a place you might be personally offended.
In my world he would just laugh and say "you're crazy" and say thank you for taking the time to talk...but what do I know. The charismatic Jobs we saw onstage wasn't the same person you met in the board room when he wasn't pleased - remember Mobile me?
 
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I never knew so many MacRumors readers hate Musk / Tesla. Apple and Tesla are the most innovative companies on the planet right now, and I’m surprised there’s so much hate. Both produce incredible products and this story doesn’t even sound believable.

Because many MacRumors readers are also capable of reading Musk's own words and adjacent stories about Tesla's behind closed doors decisions. People's dislike for Musk and/or Tesla doesn't come out of nowhere.

To your second point, based on my definition of innovation Tesla are not innovative as nothing they've produced has shifted any paradigm yet. Apple, like Tesla, don't necessarily have to invent everything they popularize (smart phones existed before Apple, EVs existed before Tesla) but Apple's product categories are significantly more paradigm shifting than changing the propulsion system of an otherwise identical vehicle. Apple's products are often ready-for-the-masses packaging of truly ground breaking innovations (Internet, cellular, GUI/displays, digital computing, etc.) that they didn't invent but the end result changes how society (or more generally speaking "a system") works.

Mac/personal computers = helped transition computers from specialized, shared tech for geeks and researchers into something useful for the everyday person, game changing

iPhone/smart phones = a connected multimedia creation and browsing device in your pocket, game changing product class that changed almost everything about how information is shared and absorbed in our society (for better or worse)

Tesla/EVs = exactly the same automotive experience except you plug in your car at home instead of at the gas station. Nothing about the way I live my life has changed driving one now vs. when I drove a gas car. If everyone had a Tesla tomorrow nothing about our society would fundamentally change except for electricity infrastructure issues and a bunch of gas stations shutting down. I don't think the same can be said for if everyone received a smart phone or personal computer overnight.

iPhone/smart phones = innovative, paradigm shifting.
iPhone/smart phone tech upgrades (camera, screens, speakers) = mostly not innovative, the paradigm has already shifted via the original innovation.

Personal, mass produced automobiles = innovative, paradigm shifting.
Automobile upgrades (seatbelts, airbags, turbo chargers, EV propulsion, hydrogen powered) = mostly not innovative, the paradigm has already shifted via the original innovation.

Note that the innovation is moreso attributable to the overarching category (the smart phone, the computer) rather than the specific implementation (the iPhone, the Mac). It's just that Apple happened to be there at the right time with the right implementation of the category to act as an ice breaker.
 
As though as this guy is an angel. Tim Cook is 10x better than Elon musk. Apple does not scam people, they do not sell substandard products and their products do not break down frequently. Elon musk should self reflect himself before commenting about others. Blo*dy h*ll scammer.
 
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I find this story to be highly probable. Elon Musk is insane, and not in a good way. Could never view him the same after the incident with the British cave divers
 
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As though as this guy is an angel. Tim Cook is 10x better than Elon musk. Apple does not scam people, they do not sell substandard products and their products do not break down frequently. Elon musk should self reflect himself before commenting about others. Blo*dy h*ll scammer.
only scam is your comment. none of that is true
 
Anyone else I'd refuse to believe this, but Elon Musk? Maybe it's true. In which case there is not enough laughter in the world to respond to this demand.

Yeah Elon can be a tool sometimes in his blatant attitude as we've seen displayed.

but with Tim Cook saying

“F— you” Cook says and hangs up.
is really comical but not believable.

every time we see this report its never vetted with dates.
 
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Tesla/EVs = exactly the same automotive experience except you plug in your car at home instead of at the gas station. Nothing about the way I live my life has changed driving one now vs. when I drove a gas car. If everyone had a Tesla tomorrow nothing about our society would fundamentally change except for electricity infrastructure issues and a bunch of gas stations shutting down. I don't think the same can be said for if everyone received a smart phone or personal computer overnight.
Wrong. Autopilot lets me drive for longer periods of time due to removing the responsibility of micro adjustments.

If everyone had a Tesla tomorrow, we would see the number of car crashes go down.

And before you start googling Tesla Autopilot crashes, I got 10 times the links to show where Autopilot saved a life.

Bunch of gas stations shutting down sounds like tech disruption as a result of innovation to me.
 
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Such an insane idea of Musk running Apple reminds me of Quark wanting to buy Adobe in 1998. It caused a national firestorm of "NO's" among designers at all levels. The company cultures were, and probably still are, diametrically opposed. Quark management would have destroyed Adobe.
 
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Wrong. Autopilot lets me drive for longer periods of time due to removing the responsibility of micro adjustments.

If everyone had a Tesla tomorrow, we would see the number of car crashes go down.

And before you start googling Tesla Autopilot crashes, I got 10 times the links to show where Autopilot saved a life.

Bunch of gas stations shutting down sounds like tech disruption as a result of innovation to me.

We tried AutoPilot for 5 minutes and decided never to use it again because the anxiety of monitoring the system to make sure it doesn't drive you into a lamp post + the general jitter of the drive itself (it doesn't drive like a human, it feels very unnatural) wasn't worth it. It's honestly easier to drive yourself + maybe use radar cruise control.

I can see that self driving vehicles taxi pods with no steering wheel that drive mostly pre-mapped city streets as replacement for city cabs could be very useful but I have no interest in owning a car that I can't control myself.
 
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