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I call absolute ******** on this claim. Cook is just trying to stir **** up since he can’t make electric cars fast enough F cook
 
And yet "nobody" have pushed Mac revenues to their highest peaks in history - to the tune of USD 35 billion in the past four quarters alone. :rolleyes:

Heck, Tesla as a company in 2020 had total revenues just above what Mac as a division brought in over the same period. :p
So the total revenue now determines if a company is doing something of value? By that benchmark, Microsoft is obviously just as good a choice as Apple, since it consistently averages over 32 billion per quarter, and has over the last 5 years!
 
Lmao, Tim Cook is a savage. Steve Jobs was very adamant to have him as next CEO before he passed, for good reason. Other CEOs would’ve either caved or reject him nicely.

Elon Musk is nothing but a tech conman. He peddles his half baked garbage to the tech nerds with deep wallets. He’s not funny at all and using 14 year old memes isn’t a personality.

“F— you” - Tim Cook lmao
Tesla is half baked garbage? 😂
My model 3 goes from 0-100km/h in 4 seconds, can travel over 400kms, charges on solar power and costs a half of the equivalent Audi.

still, I suppose my 16” MBP i9 doubles as a heater, so that’s innovative 🤷‍♂️
 
A story like this would normally make me roll my eyes in disbelief but with Musk I have to wonder just a little. I have zero respect for Elon Musk and wouldn't put it past that manchild to try and pull something like this. Either way, it would never happen.
 
we need Tim Cook to chime in on this. I’d consider him more credible than Musk lol
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/05/...es-from-mark-zuckerberg.html?showTranscript=1

Quote: "You know, I’ve never spoken to Elon, although I have great admiration and respect for the company he’s built."

I don't know if I'm inclined to believe Elon when he says he and Cook have never spoken, but if he and Cook are saying the same thing then this probably never happened. Plus, the author wrote:


So he got the story "according to people who heard it". Sounds legit. The story makes no sense on many levels and the whole book is probably BS. The only thing that gets more headlines than "Apple" or "Tesla" is "Apple and Tesla".
 
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I swear Musk was just screwing with Cook. He never would’ve sold Tesla and that was his was of saying it
Something extremely successful people seem to do a lot is never say no. He didn't know if Apple would say no, so he said yes, and gave a condition. I think if Apple said yes, he would've sold it if he could guarantee he would get to run Apple for a certain period of time, get the significant number of shares associated with that, etc. Sure, Elon probably figured it was the smallest chance in the world, but the lesson is you don't say no. You never know where yes can take you, and you always reserve the right to say no in the future. I read about this concept several years ago and it has helped me make more connections and become more successful financially.
 
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I don't think Cook said "f*** you". I'm not a big fan of Timmy, but that's not how he does business. Ignore him, yes... spout vulgarities on the phone, probably not.

Elon doesn't want to run Apple, his heart is in SpaceX. Elon is about making history. It's the next thing all men do after they defeat capitalism and make more money than they can spend. Tim is just the CEO of a company he didn't build. Musk built two very successful companies and several other successful organizations. Tim is a businessman, and Musk is a first class entrepreneur.
 
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At this point I'm not sure why MR would even report this. It's absolute garbage. Even the way the exchange is written is scriptwriting 101. Who is the hack or hacks writing this book?
 
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Because many MacRumors readers are also capable of reading Musk's own words and adjacent stories about Tesla's behind closed doors decisions. People's dislike for Musk and/or Tesla doesn't come out of nowhere.

To your second point, based on my definition of innovation Tesla are not innovative as nothing they've produced has shifted any paradigm yet. Apple, like Tesla, don't necessarily have to invent everything they popularize (smart phones existed before Apple, EVs existed before Tesla) but Apple's product categories are significantly more paradigm shifting than changing the propulsion system of an otherwise identical vehicle. Apple's products are often ready-for-the-masses packaging of truly ground breaking innovations (Internet, cellular, GUI/displays, digital computing, etc.) that they didn't invent but the end result changes how society (or more generally speaking "a system") works.

Mac/personal computers = helped transition computers from specialized, shared tech for geeks and researchers into something useful for the everyday person, game changing

iPhone/smart phones = a connected multimedia creation and browsing device in your pocket, game changing product class that changed almost everything about how information is shared and absorbed in our society (for better or worse)

Tesla/EVs = exactly the same automotive experience except you plug in your car at home instead of at the gas station. Nothing about the way I live my life has changed driving one now vs. when I drove a gas car. If everyone had a Tesla tomorrow nothing about our society would fundamentally change except for electricity infrastructure issues and a bunch of gas stations shutting down. I don't think the same can be said for if everyone received a smart phone or personal computer overnight.

iPhone/smart phones = innovative, paradigm shifting.
iPhone/smart phone tech upgrades (camera, screens, speakers) = mostly not innovative, the paradigm has already shifted via the original innovation.

Personal, mass produced automobiles = innovative, paradigm shifting.
Automobile upgrades (seatbelts, airbags, turbo chargers, EV propulsion, hydrogen powered) = mostly not innovative, the paradigm has already shifted via the original innovation.

Note that the innovation is moreso attributable to the overarching category (the smart phone, the computer) rather than the specific implementation (the iPhone, the Mac). It's just that Apple happened to be there at the right time with the right implementation of the category to act as an ice breaker.
I can’t believe how wrong you are in one long drawn out couple of paragraphs.
 
Whatever happened, we probably won’t know really. I like both companies but since it’s apple die hard fans forum there won’t be much rational thinking.

In any way, looking today at both companies and what Apple has done and how well they’re doing shows that it was for a good reason. Elon Musk took the brand all by himself and on top of that other projects like space x, the boring company, neuralink is fascinating.

The point is, what happened, it happened for a reason and both people and companies are doing pretty darn well.
 
I don't understand why the Elon Musk fanbase thinks he's some innovative genius.
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Like him or hate him… Don’t be obtuse.
 
Telsa wouldnt turn any profit if not for government subsidies.
Agreed mate. I'm in Australia and literally nobody owns them because well:
- There aren't really any Model 3's. It's taken them 3-4 years to deliver small batches at 2-3x the price they initially anticipated.
- The Model 3 (base model, no extras) is very expensive. It's a comparable to high-end luxury cars and sure it takes off quickly (so what? We have speed limits), but IMO the polish of cars in that sorta price category is so much better.
- There's no government subsidies. There's favourable loans... but I'm not borrowing $75k for a car! It's too much and I'd rather pay-off my house quicker instead of having what will be a $$$ pile of environmentally unsound scrap metal/plastic/battery acid in ~5 years time when the battery goes bung. No thanks!
 
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I can’t believe how wrong you are in one long drawn out couple of paragraphs.

No you’re wrong. I don’t need to explain how you’re wrong or why I think you’re wrong, I just need to say you’re wrong.

Oh and also Apple haven’t been that innovative in years. Your comment is telling considering you think Apple and Tesla are some of the most innovative companies around right now lol.
 
Tesla is half baked garbage? 😂
My model 3 goes from 0-100km/h in 4 seconds, can travel over 400kms, charges on solar power and costs a half of the equivalent Audi.

still, I suppose my 16” MBP i9 doubles as a heater, so that’s innovative 🤷‍♂️

tbh fam Tesla cars is a huge and expensive amount of battery and that’s basically it. Their “innovation” was targeting a higher price class that enabled a **** ton of battery capacity, and making the car not look like an autistic fever dream from ikea (looking at you bmw i3).

consider the following and tell me he’s not a charlatan.

Hyperloop
Vegas loop
Dugout loop
Tesla Semi

Bunch of half baked woo woo future tech vaporware pipe dream bull-**** that if it ever does materialize is nothing like the 3D renderings that get Reddit soys moist.

I’m sure musk would have been all over “solar freaking roadways” but that retarded dweeb burnout beat him to it.

Realistically he’s a frontman for a lot of semiprivate three letter agency research but if that’s the case I don’t get why they permit the musk sideshow.
 
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Musk is interested, but one condition: “I’m CEO.”

Sure, says Cook. When Apple bought Beats in 2014, it kept on the founders, Jimmy Iovine and Dr. Dre.

No, Musk says. Apple. Apple CEO.

“F— you” Cook says and hangs up.

This didn't happen. Conversations aren't like in the movies.

Kind of worrying so many people fall for this obvious bullcrap.
 
I'm confident the Board of Directors and the institutional shareholders who actually control who is CEO of Apple would keep Cook in place unless Steve Jobs somehow resurrected.
I crapping on Cook is just what is done around here but… I don’t get it.

Apple has simply become more and more of a juggernaut under his leadership and he was absolutely instrumental during their growth when Jobs returned.

No, he’s not the showman Jobs was but… almost no one is.

I actually hope this is true. Musk is interesting but also a delusional side show. Jobs has a reality distortion field that affected everyone else. Musk is a victim of his own. And he’s so thin skinned.
 
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