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Elon Musk is nothing but a tech conman. He peddles his half baked garbage to the tech nerds with deep wallets. He’s not funny at all and using 14 year old memes isn’t a personality.

“F— you” - Tim Cook lmao
How can he be a conman when he has a proven track record of innovation? His companies are literally the leaders of the EV and Space industries.
 
We tried AutoPilot for 5 minutes and decided never to use it again because the anxiety of monitoring the system to make sure it doesn't drive you into a lamp post + the general jitter of the drive itself (it doesn't drive like a human, it feels very unnatural) wasn't worth it.

How relaxing!

"Honey, take a load off and read a book....should be a chill ride for a couple hours....unless of course the car steers us into an overpass at 75mph and our whole family is instantly killed"
 
OMG. I'm so glad Elon Musk did not acquire Apple and glad he's not Apple CEO. To me, Apple seems to be running quite well with pretty good products and good service experience.
 
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Oh please.... Tim Cook is anything but a "savage". Apple has suffered under him as CEO, because at the end of the day, he was only chosen by Jobs as a successor because Jobs saw his previous experience at supply chain management as something Apple lacked. (Think back at how often Apple didn't have enough product to satisfy people wanting to buy, at launch day. Think how often Apple miscalculated and produced too many of one model of a product, and far too few of another model.) Tim should have been recruited to manage that for Apple, and picked someone more charismatic and with a better sense of what was needed for CEO.

Apple is now the laughing stock with most corporate I.T. types, because they still can't see that nobody wants a computer that's impossible to service or upgrade on your own, with as FEW ports as possible, all for a premium price. This was NOT the way Apple was going under Jobs, if you step back to, say, 2009 or 2010.
OK so let’s go back to 2009, or around that time when Steve Jobs was still around.
In that year alone, Apple made all of the batteries in the entire MacBook lineup non-replaceable. He also removed the firewire port, a popular port of the time, from several of their computers.
In 2010, Apple introduced the iPad, a product that is not upgradable at all, as well as the second generation MacBook Air which, on top of losing several ports and having a brand new MagSafe cable that was not compatible with old ones, was even less upgradable than any of their other laptops.
And let’s not forget that under Steve Jobs, Mac OS X lion began the iOSafication of the Mac, and The MacBook Pro with retina display began development under Steve Jobs, a product which was even less upgradable than anything else, not even letting you upgrade the RAM.
If you truly think that Steve Jobs was a mascot for upgradability, he was not. He did not want Apple products to be messed with.
Steve Jobs also loved white bezels. The new 24 iMac with colorful aluminum and glass, that’s extremely extremely thin, and isn’t upgradable at all would be a product that Steve Jobs would have been very proud of.
 
If this is in any way true, Apple really dodged a bullet here.

And for those that say Tim Cook isn't a good CEO and that Apple has "suffered under him", how many $2.5 Trillion dollar companies do you manage?
 
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We tried AutoPilot for 5 minutes and decided never to use it again because the anxiety of monitoring the system to make sure it doesn't drive you into a lamp post + the general jitter of the drive itself (it doesn't drive like a human, it feels very unnatural) wasn't worth it. It's honestly easier to drive yourself + maybe use radar cruise control.

I can see that self driving vehicles taxi pods with no steering wheel that drive mostly pre-mapped city streets as replacement for city cabs could be very useful but I have no interest in owning a car that I can't control myself.

Anecdotal experience.

The fact that Autopilot has been used for over 3 billion miles (data point released back in 2020, likely nearing 10 billion miles today if you plot it out on a graph) suggests it's widely used by many on a day to day basis
 
That doesn't make the statement made any less true. Tech companies, and Apple is a huge part of this, have really sold the consumer on disposable products. I suspect that smartphones were really THE product to usher in that mindset. It makes total business sense. The thing that irks me the most is the inability to upgrade/repair coupled with often needing dongles and hubs all while touting the environmentally friendliness of the process. Otherwise, it's just business.

Fair enough, but it's not like I can put non-OEM parts in a Tesla nor can I get service outside of Tesla's network.

So I doubt that Apple products would be magically significantly more "self-repairable" under Musk's stewardship than Cook's based on how he runs his car company.
 
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So if this is true, the CEO of the company who was looking to be bought due to financial hardship at the time, wanted to run the entire firm and replace the CEO of the company who was doing the buying? Does anyone know if an acquisition of that nature has ever been done?
 
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The infrastructure bill that just passed has a provision for a coast to coast charging stations as part of the Democrats green push. I see this as Elon trying to play the good guy because he knows the screws are tightening. Lotta competition now from other car manufacturers in the electric space. I do like Elon but this is how I see it.
 
So if this is true, the CEO of the company who was looking to be bought due to financial hardship at the time, wanted to run the entire firm and replace the CEO of the company who was doing the buying? Does anyone know if an acquisition of that nature has ever been done?

You could argue this happened with McDonnel-Douglas and Boeing in 1997.
 
Yeah Elon can be a tool sometimes in his blatant attitude as we've seen displayed.

but with Tim Cook saying


is really comical but not believable.

every time we see this report its never vetted with dates.
It takes to be a ruthless savage to be CEO of this corporations. Even Steve Jobs was fired from his company. This is a dog eat dog society.
 
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Anecdotal experience.

The fact that Autopilot has been used for over 3 billion miles (data point released back in 2020, likely nearing 10 billion miles today if you plot it out on a graph) suggests it's widely used by many on a day to day basis

Anecdotal experience is all I can go off of because I don't trust the numbers being released by Tesla. They do not have a good track record of transparency and there's no way they would release information about Autopilot fails in good faith as that would devastate a pillar of their company.
 
Anecdotal experience is all I can go off of because I don't trust the numbers being released by Tesla. They do not have a good track record of transparency and there's no way they would release information about Autopilot fails in good faith as that would devastate a pillar of their company.

If anecdotal experience is all you have, then it doesn't really set a good foundation for your argument.

Tesla has over a million Autopilot capable cars, large majority of which autopilot come standard with the car. Assume 500k-750k cars use it, they just need to drive about 5k miles with AP turned on to achieve 3 billion. Average driver drives about 12k miles a year. Don't see how 3 billion is an unrealistic number.

And I don't see why they would the lie about the number of miles driven. The 3 billion statistic came from a word of mouth by a Tesla employee on a live stream video instead of a press release. They don't release the number every year, so it's not like they're doing it for PR reasons.
 
The first thing Musk would have done as CEO is promptly kick Jony Ivie out the door. "Bad designs! Get into your stupid ostentatious Bentley and get outta here!"
 
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Ugh. A Musk lead Apple would have been amazing. Probably would be innovating again instead of lame Cook just being a slow follower to Samsung. You cant bring back Steve Jobs but why do we have to keep settling for mediocrity with Tim Cook? They keep losing all the great talent at apple due to how bad of a CEO Tim Cook is.
I have had multiples from both companies - of course more from Apple - and you wouldn't want that. Enjoy the slow progress with products that come out on time versus some questionable QC and products that are always late. Musk couldn't even start the Plaid event on time. He is an innovator that cannot execute on time and cannot speak well in the public. If Steve Jobs were alive he would either roast Musk continuously or would be a mentor and Tesla would be twice as good.
 
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