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Does anyone other than your group see it? Not kidding, I’m actually curious, as I was under the impression that posts don’t get promoted unless you have Twitter Blue (or X Blue?) I don’t begrudge him from trying to make money from a business, but for a free speech absolutist, skewing the promotion based on whether you pay for promotion is pretty much the antithesis of free speech, so it kind of messes up the claims of being an absolutist.

Then there are the accounts he has suspended

Of course that is old news, but the recent slowing of links to places he doesn’t like also seems kind of wrong for a guy that pretty much claimed free speech is working if things that annoy you are being said.

Personally, I was never a big fan of Twitter anyway, as it always seemed like at max 10% useful info, 80% people talking to hear themselves talk, and 10% trolling, so whatever. Twitter just seems like an even bigger waste of time for Musk than for the average Joe, though, and I do miss the days when he seemed to actually be focused on important things.
 
Imo, in a hundred years, people will look back at Musk similarly to how they look back at people like Henry Ford. The visionaries are typically polarizing, mostly because people hate change (also because said visionaries are usually abrasive). But once the public gets use to it, once they get dragged into the future against their will, they realize the error in their ways, and people like Musk etc. are finally appreciated for the things they did.
Agreed. Though I'm there already. And I don't think it will take 100 years for everyone to catch up. Folks will forget about Musk's latest wacky tweet pretty quickly.
 
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Agreed. Though I'm there already. And I don't think it will take 100 years for everyone to catch up. Folks will forget about Musk's latest wacky tweet pretty quickly.
Have they come up with a term for what we used to call a "tweet"? I guess they could just go generic and call it a post.
 
Have they come up with a term for what we used to call a "tweet"? I guess they could just go generic and call it a post.
Why in the world should society change the use of the term tweet just because Twitter decided to rebrand as X? This is real simple, you just call it a tweet, we all know what that means, and we move on. We don't need another term.
 
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Why in the world should society change the use of the term tweet just because Twitter decided to rebrand as X? This is real simple, you just call it a tweet, we all know what that means, and we move on. We don't need another term.
Because people feel the need to conform. I've said before that it would be fun for everyone to just keep the old Twitter/tweet convention. I'm sure most journalists have a "formerly known as Twitter" macro on their word processors.
 
They already reached an agreement with NSF for second gen satellites. https://spacenews.com/nsf-and-spacex-reach-agreement-to-reduce-starlink-effects-on-astronomy/

This agreement is purely voluntary too. Any other company attempting to do what SpaceX is doing would have completely ignored astronomers as their launch costs would likely be more expensive than SpaceX. Those other companies couldn't afford to modify their satellites to satisfy astronomers.

It's a non-issue. You are wrong.

It is not a non-issue, especially not for professional astronomers. The work they have done to drop to below 7th magnitude makes them not visible by eye once they are on station, but 7th magnitude for us is like looking at the Moon for amateurs. Those are just still way too bright not to affect us, especially those of us doing wide field work, and one of these passing through can easily wipe out a long exposure.

SpaceX failed at the beginning to talk to astronomers, if they had then lots of things could have been considered in order to make the satellites less visible but still work. The Laser Clearinghouse thing was a huge deal as well, another one they didn't think about...I also work in laser adaptive optics and constellations like this could just stop that completely. Fortunately, SpaceX and other constellations have started a conversation on whether it's necessary to avoid lasing certain satellites (instead of avoiding everything), and this is one of the outcomes of studying the problem...it's important to note that astronomers have been driving the conversation, including people I personally know (and I've given input about it), while SpaceX just went along.

So, no, I'm not wrong about this, it's what I do, and from our perspective SpaceX failed at the beginning and now is going along because of the huge outcry (and publicity about what they were doing), not because they believe in helping the scientists. It's important to note they pushed to get below visible so the problem went away for the average person, but then did nothing else when it would be a huge help to us to go even fainter. They are doing the minimum for us, because it's voluntary they aren't being pushed to do more...we really need regulation in this arena but that's not coming.
 
They already reached an agreement with NSF for second gen satellites. https://spacenews.com/nsf-and-spacex-reach-agreement-to-reduce-starlink-effects-on-astronomy/

This agreement is purely voluntary too. Any other company attempting to do what SpaceX is doing would have completely ignored astronomers as their launch costs would likely be more expensive than SpaceX. Those other companies couldn't afford to modify their satellites to satisfy astronomers.

It's a non-issue. You are wrong.
Edit: I guess you weren't responding to my comment from a few days ago. Sorry about that, but: I'm not wrong (either). I'm not a professional astronomer but among my close friends I include those working at Keck, at Canada-France-Hawaii, and a person very high in the Institute for Astronomy at UH. So...well, I do know what I'm talking about.
 
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Imo, in a hundred years, people will look back at Musk similarly to how they look back at people like Henry Ford. The visionaries are typically polarizing, mostly because people hate change (also because said visionaries are usually abrasive). But once the public gets use to it, once they get dragged into the future against their will, they realize the error in their ways, and people like Musk etc. are finally appreciated for the things they did.
Be careful what you wish for!

Edit: This is an interesting read, too:
 
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Be careful what you wish for!

Edit: This is an interesting read, too:
The average person does not sit behind a screen until all hours of the night, trying to dig up dirt on respected, historical people. You can go to any public place, pull them aside and ask them what they think of the founder of Disney, or Ford, or Apple, and you're almost overwhelmingly going to get nothing but positive things. The majority of people attempting to deconstruct the established characters of these types, imo, suffer from various mental and personality disorders, or they're doing it for money or attention (journalists). I give them none of my time.
 
It is not a non-issue, especially not for professional astronomers. The work they have done to drop to below 7th magnitude makes them not visible by eye once they are on station, but 7th magnitude for us is like looking at the Moon for amateurs. Those are just still way too bright not to affect us, especially those of us doing wide field work, and one of these passing through can easily wipe out a long exposure.

SpaceX failed at the beginning to talk to astronomers, if they had then lots of things could have been considered in order to make the satellites less visible but still work. The Laser Clearinghouse thing was a huge deal as well, another one they didn't think about...I also work in laser adaptive optics and constellations like this could just stop that completely. Fortunately, SpaceX and other constellations have started a conversation on whether it's necessary to avoid lasing certain satellites (instead of avoiding everything), and this is one of the outcomes of studying the problem...it's important to note that astronomers have been driving the conversation, including people I personally know (and I've given input about it), while SpaceX just went along.

So, no, I'm not wrong about this, it's what I do, and from our perspective SpaceX failed at the beginning and now is going along because of the huge outcry (and publicity about what they were doing), not because they believe in helping the scientists. It's important to note they pushed to get below visible so the problem went away for the average person, but then did nothing else when it would be a huge help to us to go even fainter. They are doing the minimum for us, because it's voluntary they aren't being pushed to do more...we really need regulation in this arena but that's not coming.

Wait until the Chinese send up their sats - think they will listen to you at all?
 
Wait until the Chinese send up their sats - think they will listen to you at all?

China already purposefully hits other nation's satellites with their lasers, which is a big no-no in the world of firing lasers into the sky. There's really nothing we can do about them, though they do have their own scientists who are trying to become world leaders and that may have some effect. Plus, if they pollute the sky with bright satellites lots of people will be upset about it, and China is on a charm offensive so that may have some effect as well.

However, whatever happens in China has nothing to do with SpaceX, an American company. They are beholden to American regulations, and by extension worldwide ones (since we respect the vast majority of those). If SpaceX wants to move to China so they can do whatever they want, they can...though that won't really work out all that well as the Chinese government will take a firm hand with them.

I really do fail to see how "China doesn't care so SpaceX should be able to do what they want" is a relevant argument, it's pretty silly to think that we should do whatever the worst people/nation choose instead of, you know, trying to be better.
 
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The average person does not sit behind a screen until all hours of the night, trying to dig up dirt on respected, historical people. You can go to any public place, pull them aside and ask them what they think of the founder of Disney, or Ford, or Apple, and you're almost overwhelmingly going to get nothing but positive things. The majority of people attempting to deconstruct the established characters of these types, imo, suffer from various mental and personality disorders, or they're doing it for money or attention (journalists). I give them none of my time.
The History channel and the Smithsonian aren’t exactly deeply buried internet rumours, and most of this stuff is common knowledge to anyone that even remotely follows modern history, as Ford was a major figure of the 20th century. I added the Smithsonian link specifically because it shows how opinion generally sided with Ford until reporters got photos out which showed the violence of the Ford Service Department against the union, but also closes with a mention of later violence by the union against a strikebreaker, so I thought it rather well balanced.

I expect from the three example companies you just used that you actually do have some knowledge of history and their founders known foibles, but proudly ignoring the fact that history is nuanced because people are nuanced is one of the many reasons that we as a society keep repeatedly making the same mistakes. I am against trashing someone’s accomplishments because of other stupid behaviour, but I’m also against ignoring that stupid behaviour or glorifying it because of their accomplishments.
 
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