eMac G5?

[Rod Rod]

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...also, although I really want to see it, I honestly doubt that the eMac will go G5 yet mainly because the iMac just got the G5 chip and Apple wants to emphasize that for as long as possible, but also because POWERbooks have not even gotten a G5, and because of "supply problems" that Apple claimed with the powermacs (I am not sure if that is still a problem though...
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That's what people said about why the iBook won't "go G4." This "let's retard the lower tier products so my feelings aren't hurt because of the 'POWERbooks' don't have a G5 yet" thought process is pretty lame.

I just wish they put a 19" or bigger CRT monitor on new eMac.

eMac's resolution 1152x864 is not good today and 75Hz for that resolution is in fact pretty weak

The maximum resolution is 1280x960. I forgot what the refresh rate is though. I'm guessing 75Hz.

 

[smirre]

The maximum resolution is 1280x960. I forgot what the refresh rate is though. I'm guessing 75Hz.

Ah you're right it's 75Hz. Though 75Hz is the absolute minimum hertz to use it's little disturbing to use the max resolution eMac can handle... 85Hz or better is recommended and as far as i remember eMac can do it with resolution 1024x768..

19" or bigger screen for new eMac please!

i must admit i have 17" and use it on 75Hz.. otherwise i would be forced to use too small resolutions like 1024x768. 75Hz is not good for your eyes though

 

[wrldwzrd89]

Ah you're right it's 75Hz. Though 75Hz is the absolute minimum hertz to use it's little disturbing to use the max resolution eMac can handle... 85Hz or better is recommended and as far as i remember eMac can do it with resolution 1024x768..

19" or bigger screen for new eMac please!

i must admit i have 17" and use it on 75Hz.. otherwise i would be forced to use too small resolutions like 1024x768. 75Hz is not good for your eyes though

I'll tell you this, smirre - the way Apple handles their products means that it's far more likely to expect a refresh rate boost and associated graphics card upgrade with the next eMac than it is to see a change in the screen size, especially if you consider that the iMac, which is supposed to be a better product, still has a 17 inch model. As long as there's a 17" iMac there's NO WAY Apple would release an eMac with anything bigger than 17 inches.

 

[smirre]

I'll tell you this, smirre - the way Apple handles their products means that it's far more likely to expect a refresh rate boost and associated graphics card upgrade with the next eMac than it is to see a change in the screen size, especially if you consider that the iMac, which is supposed to be a better product, still has a 17 inch model. As long as there's a 17" iMac there's NO WAY Apple would release an eMac with anything bigger than 17 inches.

I see... better refresh rate would definately be cool.

i don't know i just thought that while crt's are extremely cheap and 19" crt seems to be standard these days that eMac would have it too.

 

[Rod Rod]

(pertaining to the three preceding posts)

A 19" eMac can happen, if the 14" iBook is any indication.

 

[MacSA]

...where is that new eMac? lol This might turn into the longest period between updates ever If they were just going to give it a small speed bump they could have released it a while back, perhaps the longer we wait for an update the more likely it is to be a substantial upgrade?

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

...where is that new eMac? lol This might turn into the longest period between updates ever If they were just going to give it a small speed bump they could have released it a while back, perhaps the longer we wait for an update the more likely it is to be a substantial upgrade?

One can only hope.

In reality, is there any reason that updates should happen every 6 months?

 

[maya]

eMac most likely sport a G5 chip in it.

eMac G5

Processor: G5 1.6GHz
FSB: 400 MHz
Memory: 256 of PC 3200 (400MHZ) support up to 1.5GB
HDD: 60-120GB SATA 7200 rpm
Optical: Combo or SuperDrive 8x (same as current eMac G4 and PMG5)
Display: 17-19 inch flat CRT
Graphic: Nvidia 5200 Ultra with 64 MB ram
VGA: Yes only mirroring
Ports: 2x FW 400, 3x USD 2.0, 2x USB 1.1,
mini VGA out, headphone jack, audio line in jack (digital and analog)
Speakers: Integrated Stereo
OS: 10.3

------BTO------

Memory
HDD
Wireless



That is what the new eMac G5 will have, a little of the new and a little of the new iMac G5 as always.

the current eMac G4 already has a faster SuperDrive at 8x than the new iMac G5 at 4x, talk about a bargain. Buy an eMac G5 remove the CRT pop in lcd and you can have an iMac G5 at a fraction of the price with a faster DVD burner.

The iMac G5 rev B will have a minimum of 1.8GHz processor and a maximum of 2.0GHz and the same ATA 8x for the Graphic while the PMG5 will sport PCIe, seems logical.

PMG5 rev C

Processor: G5 2.0 - 2.5 - 3.0
FSB: 1GHz- 1.5Ghz (per chip as defined)
Memory: DDR 2
HDD: SATA 10,000 rpm
Optical: SuperDrive 16x with Dual Layer at 4x if not 8x
Graphic: ATI 128MB of ram

Jan MWSF 2006 will introduce the new PMG6 <--- you can count on thats with dual core quad PM (2 physical chips) and Starting at 3.0Ghz as the Low end.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

eMac most likely sport a G5 chip in it.

eMac G5

Processor: G5 1.6GHz
FSB: 400 MHz
Memory: 256 of PC 3200 (400MHZ) support up to 1.5GB
HDD: 60-120GB SATA 7200 rpm
Optical: Combo or SuperDrive 8x (same as current eMac G4 and PMG5)
Display: 17-19 inch flat CRT
Graphic: Nvidia 5200 Ultra with 64 MB ram
VGA: Yes only mirroring
Ports: 2x FW 400, 3x USD 2.0, 2x USB 1.1,
mini VGA out, headphone jack, audio line in jack (digital and analog)
Speakers: Integrated Stereo
OS: 10.3

------BTO------

Memory
HDD
Wireless



That is what the new eMac G5 will have, a little of the new and a little of the new iMac G5 as always.

the current eMac G4 already has a faster SuperDrive at 8x than the new iMac G5 at 4x, talk about a bargain. Buy an eMac G5 remove the CRT pop in lcd and you can have an iMac G5 at a fraction of the price with a faster DVD burner.

The iMac G5 rev B will have a minimum of 1.8GHz processor and a maximum of 2.0GHz and the same ATA 8x for the Graphic while the PMG5 will sport PCIe, seems logical.

PMG5 rev C

Processor: G5 2.0 - 2.5 - 3.0
FSB: 1GHz- 1.5Ghz (per chip as defined)
Memory: DDR 2
HDD: SATA 10,000 rpm
Optical: SuperDrive 16x with Dual Layer at 4x if not 8x
Graphic: ATI 128MB of ram

Jan MWSF 2006 will introduce the new PMG6 <--- you can count on thats with dual core quad PM (2 physical chips) and Starting at 3.0Ghz as the Low end.

Both the eMac G5 and PowerMac G5 Rev C specs seem reasonable to me. Also, a January 2006 introduction of a dual CPU dual core PowerMac seems reasonable too - what's uncertain to me is whether or not it'll be enough to earn the G6 moniker.

 

[MacSA]

eMac most likely sport a G5 chip in it.

eMac G5

Processor: G5 1.6GHz
FSB: 400 MHz
Memory: 256 of PC 3200 (400MHZ) support up to 1.5GB
HDD: 60-120GB SATA 7200 rpm
Optical: Combo or SuperDrive 8x (same as current eMac G4 and PMG5)
Display: 17-19 inch flat CRT
Graphic: Nvidia 5200 Ultra with 64 MB ram
VGA: Yes only mirroring
Ports: 2x FW 400, 3x USD 2.0, 2x USB 1.1,
mini VGA out, headphone jack, audio line in jack (digital and analog)
Speakers: Integrated Stereo
OS: 10.3

All that would be cool....... but I think it's a bit optomistic lol

 

[maya]

All that would be cool....... but I think it's a bit optomistic lol

Nah not optimistic at all, its is quite logical. It takes what the current eMac G4 has and adds a few things of the iMac G5 that has always been the eMac.

Besides the 5200 Ultra is sitting too long in the tooth with the low end PM and iMac G5 line (as of recent) by 2005 it will make its way to the eMac G5 and it will stay compatible with TIGER.

Only mystery is the PowerBook and iBook line, that will be seen sat MWSF 05.

Since HD content will require a nice 128MB Graphic card we will see that as the next low end card across the board.

Everything is indicating to that with the recent HE-AAC and the HD streaming along with the content "H" codec that is included in the new QuickTime.

Besides the G5 is over a year old, and given that 1.6 and 1.8GHz is nothing to get all happy about it is very likely to happen.

 

[maya]

Both the eMac G5 and PowerMac G5 Rev C specs seem reasonable to me. Also, a January 2006 introduction of a dual CPU dual core PowerMac seems reasonable too - what's uncertain to me is whether or not it'll be enough to earn the G6 moniker.

Okey Dokey, Apple will call it the G VI To keep it in line with they OS X naming scheme.

Since Pontiac has taken the G6 name.

 

[MacSA]

Do you think the price of any new eMac will change from what it is now?

 

[maya]

Do you think the price of any new eMac will change from what it is now?

Chances are the price will stay the same or see a small price drop for sure. Given that IBM has already mastered making G5 chips at 1.6, 1.8, 2.0 GHz after over a year and also given that the top end iMac G5 is sitting at 1.8 with a revision to bring it up to 2.0GHz as the top end. Plus given that the low power G5 will be out first half of 2005.

Yep its quite a good chance since the iBook has also seen RECENT price drops.

Most likely a 25-50 dollar drop on the iMac G4 and soon to be G5. It's only a matter of time and not much at it considering MWSF05 is only 6-7 weeks away.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

Okey Dokey, Apple will call it the G VI To keep it in line with they OS X naming scheme.

Since Pontiac has taken the G6 name.

I was thinking that the dual-core Mac would still be called G5. The first "PowerPC G6" will come later.

 

[maya]

I was thinking that the dual-core Mac would still be called G5. The first "PowerPC G6" will come later.

hmm maybe it will sport a name as such:

PMDC G5

Talk about confusion, you thought that the MHz myth was bad with consumers wait till dual-core is out. You will get the group that will say 2 physical processors are better than one physical and another virtual and yada yada.......

oh boy I hope people wisen up by then.

 

[Coca-Cola]

G4 dual core chips for powerbooks, g5 emac, and iMac upgrade

I forsee the powerbooks getting new G4 chips with dual core technology. That would be sweet. I would probably prefer that to a G5 any day in a laptop. I could see a iMac upgrade to the 2.5 ghz and 2.0 range. There will be a new powerhouse G5 for the powermacs. Probably 3.5 ghz dual processors. The eMac will get the 1.6 G5.

 

[maya]

I forsee the powerbooks getting new G4 chips with dual core technology. That would be sweet. I would probably prefer that to a G5 any day in a laptop. I could see a iMac upgrade to the 2.5 ghz and 2.0 range. There will be a new powerhouse G5 for the powermacs. Probably 3.5 ghz dual processors. The eMac will get the 1.6 G5.

With the current 2.5Ghz G5 chip in the iMac G5 design ah NO. With the new low power G5 chips YES.

The iMac G5 will not see 2.5Ghz until late 2005, you can count on that much. The PowerMacs will see 3.0Ghz 1Q 2005 and will exceed 3.0Ghz or even have a dual core late 2005 or early 2006. Then we will be introduced to the G6 which will be the Power5 technology

Apple is not playing MHz catch up with Intel, however a dual core first introduction is a big thing.

eMac will get a 1.6GHz G5 early 2005 and a 1.8GHz later 2005. That way it leaves a gap and performance difference between the PowerMac, iMac G5 and eMac G5.

By late 2005 you will see a 3.0+GHz (with or without dual core) and a 2.5Ghz iMac G5, along with a 1.8GHz eMac G5.

The portable line is a mystery as of current until MWSF05. All that can be said is that any hardware released in 2005 will be Tiger compliant.

 

[dieselg4]

I'll tell you this, smirre - the way Apple handles their products means that it's far more likely to expect a refresh rate boost and associated graphics card upgrade with the next eMac than it is to see a change in the screen size, especially if you consider that the iMac, which is supposed to be a better product, still has a 17 inch model. As long as there's a 17" iMac there's NO WAY Apple would release an eMac with anything bigger than 17 inches.

Apple sold 15" iMacs alongside 17" eMacs for quite some time. Most 19" CRT's are only marginally deeper than 17" CRT's . . . plus it allows a little extra breathing room inside for a warm G5.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

Apple sold 15" iMacs alongside 17" eMacs for quite some time. Most 19" CRT's are only marginally deeper than 17" CRT's . . . plus it allows a little extra breathing room inside for a warm G5.

That's not a problem if there's a 17" iMac in that lineup too, at least as far as Apple's concerned. That's the way I see it.

 

[maya]

Apple sold 15" iMacs alongside 17" eMacs for quite some time. Most 19" CRT's are only marginally deeper than 17" CRT's . . . plus it allows a little extra breathing room inside for a warm G5.

If this happens I will eat my powerbook.


Again if you look at the design of the iMac G5, it leaves open for an LCD to work in a classroom since the acetate (clear plastic) can cover the LCD screen thus even if a student(s) decide to poke at it, nothing will happen they will indeed be poking the clear plastic that is stiff.

I still see why there is a need for an eMac, just introduce a 15 inch iMac G5 cover the LCD screen with the clear plastic drop the price since the 15 inch LCD are already being used in the PowerBook line and you have yourself a sub 1000 educational iMac G5, lower cost since same production line, same LCD panel as the PowerBook, drop the Optical drive (depends) and it should be good to go. eMac is adding production cost to the lineup since no other product that Apple carries has an CRT other than the eMac.

What do 15 inch LCD screen go for these days? Under 300 USD or something plus Apple buys OEM, so 250-275 USD.

iMac G5 educational version (drop the eMac):

15 inch LCD encased in clear plastic.
Smaller HDD.
Optical Drive optional
Fewer ports, One FW 400, TWO USB 2.0, no BlueTooth, WiFi optional.
1.6GHz G5 running at 533MHz FSB
256 ram

How much do you think this will cost most likely the same price as the current eMac.

 

[wrldwzrd89]

If this happens I will eat my powerbook.


Again if you look at the design of the iMac G5, it leaves open for an LCD to work in a classroom since the acetate (clear plastic) can cover the LCD screen thus even if a student(s) decide to poke at it, nothing will happen they will indeed be poking the clear plastic that is stiff.

I still see why there is a need for an eMac, just introduce a 15 inch iMac G5 cover the LCD screen with the clear plastic drop the price since the 15 inch LCD are already being used in the PowerBook line and you have yourself a sub 1000 educational iMac G5, lower cost since same production line, same LCD panel as the PowerBook, drop the Optical drive (depends) and it should be good to go. eMac is adding production cost to the lineup since no other product that Apple carries has an CRT other than the eMac.

What do 15 inch LCD screen go for these days? Under 300 USD or something plus Apple buys OEM, so 250-275 USD.

iMac G5 educational version (drop the eMac):

15 inch LCD encased in clear plastic.
Smaller HDD.
Optical Drive optional
Fewer ports, One FW 400, TWO USB 2.0, no BlueTooth, WiFi optional.
1.6GHz G5 running at 533MHz FSB
256 ram

How much do you think this will cost most likely the same price as the current eMac.

I don't like that system bus speed - 400 MHz seems more reasonable. Even with that change, Apple won't be willing to sell that beast at the eMac's price point, though. I'd make the processor 1.4 GHz and the system bus 350 MHz before selling it for the eMac's price point.

 

[MacSA]

iMac G5 educational version (drop the eMac):

15 inch LCD encased in clear plastic.
Smaller HDD.
Optical Drive optional
Fewer ports, One FW 400, TWO USB 2.0, no BlueTooth, WiFi optional.
1.6GHz G5 running at 533MHz FSB
256 ram

NO NO NO NO NO.......

When will people realise that not everyone has the money to buy the G5 iMac. The configuration listed above is useless for anyone wanting a decent home computer - especially the optical drive? If this were to happen, anyone wanting an Apple desktop computer would have to pay £919 for the iMac instead of £549 for the eMac. Or a more likely scenario is that they would no longer buy an Apple computer.

 

[Yvan256]

A thinner CRT will be more expensive than a regular CRT for sure. But if it's only a small premium than it would probably be worth it, since everyone here talks about how ugly and out-of-date the CRT eMac is. I personally think it's fine for its purpose though (that's what I own now). Other components continue to get cheaper, so Apple could hopefully come out with a slimmer model for about the same price.

I don't think it's going to happen, but was just posting about the new screen.

Well, my guess is that everyone here who thinks the current eMac is ugly would probably buy the iMac because it's more stylish. But as I said many times before, if you pick the eMac, the price is your primary concern. Design is way, WAY back, behind price, features, etc.

Heck, people still buy beige box for their Windows/Linux computers. And have you seen what people call "nice boxes" on the x86 side these days? They look like they're designed by the same people who put neon lights under their cars...

Compared to all that, even the current eMac screams style, which isn't the major factor to sell the eMac in the first place.

 

[Yvan256]

I just wish they put a 19" or bigger CRT monitor on new eMac.

eMac's resolution 1152x864 is not good today and 75Hz for that resolution is in fact pretty weak

My current Windows box is 1024x768 at 72Hz... Yes it's an old monitor, but even at work on my 17" I couldn't go higher than 1152x864 because beyond that the pixels were way too small.

Don't forget this isn't a high-end computer. And I still know people who run in 800x600 because they find text is too small in 1024x768 (yes, on a 17"). So, if you ask me, a 17" CRT with a maximum of 1152x864 @ 75Hz is just fine for the eMac.