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Well a new eMac tomorrow would be a smart move to capture Christmas sales.

Personally I really hope they replace the CRT with an LCD, even if this means dropping to a 15 (versus 16" VIS CRT).

I dont care much about a G5 in this, although a low end G5 would make it a most excellent upgrade.

I really hope that the upgrade includes a 64meg vram at least as an option.
 
aswitcher said:
Well a new eMac tomorrow would be a smart move to capture Christmas sales.

Personally I really hope they replace the CRT with an LCD, even if this means dropping to a 15 (versus 16" VIS CRT).

I dont care much about a G5 in this, although a low end G5 would make it a most excellent upgrade.

I really hope that the upgrade includes a 64meg vram at least as an option.

...I'm betting the update will be a 0.2mhz speed bump to the curent G4 :D
 
Are there any other screen technologies that could be used in an eMac, besides CT or LCD? There are some new displays for semi-flat big screen TV's, that seem to offer nice quality and a cheaper price, but a thicker screen.

I'm guessing there are technical considerations that preclude them from use in computers (resolution, refresh rate, etc.) but if such a technology could be used I think it would be an ideal compromise for the eMac.

I like my eMac a lot, and the CRT is fine for me. But judging it objectively it is quite a heavy computer, and although the exterior dimensions are actually the same as the G3 iMac, it's not nearly as nicely shaped. It's still a nice-looking unit to me though (as good as you could design a 17" CRT AIO.)

If they could swing something with a cheaper screen (thinner than a CRT but thicker than an LCD), it might spur sales even more than going to G5, as long as they up to a faster G4. But as has been discussed, maybe there's no price savings anyways between G4 and G5.

I don't think the eMac needs to be any cheaper than it is. I think they could make some improvements to make it seems less like a "compromise" computer, yet not make it the same thing as an iMac or rob iMac sales (which seems to be one of the biggest fears here.) Personally, as long as all the models have relatively similar profit margins percentage-wise, I think it's all good.
 
wizard said:
To the contrary my good man do know a bit about companies and how they fail. Our recent history is filled with examples of companies where the only thing of intrest was profits, profits that bypassed the share holders and went right into the pocket of the company officers.

Sustainable profits require that a company focus on its customer needs, providing good value and keeping an eye on the competition.

There is only one thing I really need to say to reply to this:

Apple Computers - Going out of business since 1976.

Nope not joking at all!

I might be off by a few months but I expect that by 2007 all desktop hardware will be sold as dual processor 64 bit systems on both i86 and Apple platforms. The advantages for all that addressing range will be with respect to the OS. Since a large number of i86 systems ship with base RAM of 1GB I don't think I'm over extending things at all here.

I think you're off your rocker and don't know anything about the setbacks, issues, and other problems facing every computer company on the market right now. Intel is repeatedly canceling and pushing back their deadlines, and the new 915/925 chipsets they hyped to motherboard manufacturers on the promise of PCI Express are sluggish and not moving too much. Their plan for dual-core is laughable and won't achieve any kind of serious fruition, other than in name, until roughly 2006-2007 without a major breakthrough of some sort. Meanwhile, they're slowly killing off the Pentium 4M desktop replacement market and pushing for everyone to use the Pentium M and the next-generation Celeron M (which will be a Dothan core, hobbled to not compete with a true Pentium M). In similarly dire straits, AMD is focusing their dual-core efforts entirely on the server market with Opterons and revision to HyperTransport, having only the vaguest of roadmaps to their release of a K8 dual-core in the consumer space sometime in 2005-2006.

The leaders in this race are IBM - who already sell dual-core parts, but only in Big Iron - and Freescale.

Oh, and I guess the fact that the majority of computer sales are bargain-bin machines doesn't affect your predictions, does it? How about the fact that a $599 computer would need more than double its base price to take any serious advantage from being 64-bit?

Yes and a few months from now the price will be half what it is now. Two years out 4GB sticks should be in the same ball park. This really shouldn't surprise anybody in this industry.

Actually, you're wrong. Memory density in DDR1 is hitting the wall around PC3200 and 2GB thanks to the chip traces and the voltages that they need to be run at, which is one reason that it's so expensive to get a stick of 1GB at the moment. Most manufacturers are starting to bank on DDR2 and the FBGA (fine ball grid array) technique to lower core voltage while allowing a theoretical increase in density. However, FBGA is more expensive and difficult to manufacture than the traditional TSOP chips and will result in higher prices for at least a year while manufacturers recoup the costs of shifting their production and taking up the new model. Even then, the process itself is just more complicated.

If you have followed computing for any length of time you would realize that RAM price drops quickly after introduction. At this point we are in a transistion to a new DRAM standard which might put a bubble in the ramping to larger size memory arrays but after the bubble bursts we will still have the same reality. That is that competition and demand will drive the cost of the next gen memory systems down just like it does today.

Ah, right... Like how the gigabyte sticks are still multiple hundreds of dollars if you want anything with quality?

It is farily easy and economical, today to put 2 GBs into the average desktop. By this time next years I expect that 4 GBs will be in reach also. The hardware is just coming on the market, so the prices are already at the top of the slope, it is only down from here.

Economical?

Most of the non-premium motherboards I see are 2-3 slot designs, usually with only the first two usable with PC3200. With that in mind:

PDP PC3200 1GB - $162
Corsair Value Select PC3200 1GB - $196
PGI Turbo PC3200 1GB - $204

So, you're looking at $350 minimum for un-paired RAM. That's not exactly cheap, especially if you consider how many computers are bought for less than a thousand dollars.
 
eMac G5 tomorrow, Nov. 9. I know the guy who cleans the gutters in Cupertino--he told me! :)
 
Boys... Boys....

Calm down now will u
Yes - you 2....

Out-teching each other really sounds NERDY

Back to the eMac...
A G5 would be great, but the G4's are still perfectly ok.
I was using my 700MHz eMac for about 9hrs graphicsa day for ages.
It was a fantastic machine when you considered the initial cost outlay compared to say a G5 tower & lcd, or even the daisy iMac.
My kids now use it & love it. I moved on to a newer 1.2 GHz superdrive eMac - the speed bump was great. I now use this & my Al 1.33MHz PBook 15" & really have no issues with a G4 for most of my work (which is med intensity graphics 8-10hrs a day)
Yes a G5 would be great, but the main thing to keep in mind is the cost. These are fantastic value for money for what is actually a very capable machine. Most people don't need a fraction of the power of the big machines that they crave. To be honest, I'd sooner buy a new eMac & have enough left over for a photo ipod & a long holiday in Fiji !!!!
 
.....hmmmm no update today. Maybe they will wait until MacWorld next year.
 
madmaxmedia said:
Are there any other screen technologies that could be used in an eMac, besides CT or LCD? There are some new displays for semi-flat big screen TV's, that seem to offer nice quality and a cheaper price, but a thicker screen.


I hope this hasn't been pointed out before, but....


about a year and a half ago IBM were pioneering thinner CRTs, roughly half the depth of the one in the emac today. I guessing they dropped developing it because ive not heard anything more about this. Sad though, it could have been a great solution for the emac. A shorter CRT would have been perfect.
 
Well, that would be difficult to do. I mean look at whats in a CRT already. They have to have those things in them to make it to where the electrons can be shot out (or is it protons... don't remember) so that they hit every pixel. I heard about the project too, but they dropped it because Flatscreens are out, so they figure its cheaper to buy a flatscreen than a thinner CRT. If you think about it the CRT cost would be bumped up by $100 (or thats what they said)
 
slooksterPSV said:
Well, that would be difficult to do. I mean look at whats in a CRT already. They have to have those things in them to make it to where the electrons can be shot out (or is it protons... don't remember) so that they hit every pixel. I heard about the project too, but they dropped it because Flatscreens are out, so they figure its cheaper to buy a flatscreen than a thinner CRT. If you think about it the CRT cost would be bumped up by $100 (or thats what they said)

All new technologies start at a high price. Then once other companies have caught on and begin to build them the prices fall. Also the technology gets refined and so the manufacturing process becomes cheaper, this happens with all PC parts, most notably RAM.

According to the rumours they got pretty far with the project.

Eventually that technolgy would have become cheaper than LCD/TFT.

This is all useless info as they dropped the project though. As more and more consumers buy laptops these days, the long term potential of this particular technology would be bleak. 'shame really.
 
V.A.Toss said:
All new technologies start at a high price. Then once other companies have caught on and begin to build them the prices fall. Also the technology gets refined and so the manufacturing process becomes cheaper, this happens with all PC parts, most notably RAM.

According to the rumours they got pretty far with the project.

Eventually that technolgy would have become cheaper than LCD/TFT.

This is all useless info as they dropped the project though. As more and more consumers buy laptops these days, the long term potential of this particular technology would be bleak. 'shame really.

Didn't Samsung just bring out a prototype "thin" TV. Maybe that tech offers promise for new monitors...
 
aswitcher said:
Didn't Samsung just bring out a prototype "thin" TV. Maybe that tech offers promise for new monitors...

Link to the Samsung technology:

http://neasia.nikkeibp.com/nea/200411/features_341073.html

Basically just increasing the deflection angle coming out of the capacitor plates.... Not that this is a trivial feat.

I guess though it has some potential advantages over an LCD screen, in terms of brightness and view angle. Dunno how manufacturing environmental impact compares, although it sounds like this consumes even *more* power than traditional CRTs. Overall I still end up kinda liking LCDs....
 
nagromme said:
eMac G5 tomorrow, Nov. 9. I know the guy who cleans the gutters in Cupertino--he told me! :)

It's now Nov. 11. That guy is the company clown, I presume? ;)
 
Hmm... With all these eMac rumors, I have a question for you guys... Our family is planning on purchasing a 1.25GHz eMac for Christmas... Is this "safe"? Meaning, are updates expected soon after (or before?) this date? It'd really burn my cookies to spend a thousand dollars on a brand new computer then have a spiffier one come out just weeks later.
 
Littleodie914 said:
Hmm... With all these eMac rumors, I have a question for you guys... Our family is planning on purchasing a 1.25GHz eMac for Christmas... Is this "safe"? Meaning, are updates expected soon after (or before?) this date? It'd really burn my cookies to spend a thousand dollars on a brand new computer then have a spiffier one come out just weeks later.

I would have thought we might have some solid rumour or even a product released before Christmas, if not, then surely very soon afterwards. It's been 219 days since the last update now, with the average between updates being 179, so I think you should probably wait a little - I am :)
 
Littleodie914 said:
Hmm... With all these eMac rumors, I have a question for you guys... Our family is planning on purchasing a 1.25GHz eMac for Christmas... Is this "safe"? Meaning, are updates expected soon after (or before?) this date? It'd really burn my cookies to spend a thousand dollars on a brand new computer then have a spiffier one come out just weeks later.
That's the whole point behind https://buyersguide.macrumors.com//

Have a look:
Product: eMac

Last Release: April 13, 2004

Days Since Update: 219 (Average = 179)

Recommendation: Don't Buy - Updates soon
 
MacSA said:
I would have thought we might have some solid rumour or even a product released before Christmas, if not, then surely very soon afterwards. It's been 219 days since the last update now, with the average between updates being 179, so I think you should probably wait a little - I am :)

Was kind of surprised that there were no updates this past Tuesday. They really only have one more shot at greeting the Holiday crowd, and that would be with a release on next Tuesday. Otherwise I would think that it would have to wait till after the first of the year.

It is starting to look like Apple is trying to move new products/updates from roughly every 6 months to 8 months. It makes sense if the products are still selling well.
 
If the eMac got a G5 processor today:

-The graphics card would be bumped to the Nvidia GeForce 5200FX with 64 MB VRAM.
-The CPU would run at 1.4 GHz and the system bus at 350 MHz (1/4 of the processor speed).
-256 MB of PC2700 (DDR333) RAM would come with the machine, and it could take up to 2GB (it would still have 2 RAM slots).
-A modified Mac OS X 10.3.6 would be preinstalled.
-The hard drive sizes would be bumped to 60 GB and 120 GB.
 
Littleodie914 said:
Hmm... With all these eMac rumors, I have a question for you guys... Our family is planning on purchasing a 1.25GHz eMac for Christmas... Is this "safe"? Meaning, are updates expected soon after (or before?) this date? It'd really burn my cookies to spend a thousand dollars on a brand new computer then have a spiffier one come out just weeks later.

You still have over a month to go yet and stocks of eMac are always well maintained unlike other models that may or may not have Water cooling :cool:
 
madmaxmedia said:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?C2D9123D9

From another story I saw somewhere, it seems the CRT's aren't that much thinner, maybe 20% or so. But they are a bit lighter too.

As long as they are cheaper than LCD's, Apple could conceivably use this in a eMac refresh.

Don't you mean "As long as they are cheaper than current CRT's"?

If the eMac is supposed to be the entry-level, low-cost Mac, it wouldn't make sense to use parts that cost more than others.

Ex: if the eMac goes G5, it's because the overall cost of the G5 + associated parts is finally lower than G4 + associated parts.

As for the next eMac having the GeForce FX5200 Ultra 64MB, it only makes sense - the more Apple buys a specific chipset, the lower their cost gets. It also simplifies things for the lowest common denominator (and it's a shame the new iBook revision didn't get that GPU, or even at least a bump to 64MB VRAM for that matter).

And if the new eMac is still a G4, it better be the new Freescale one with a bus that's not a pathetic 167MHz (1999 called, they want their bus speed back). ;)
 
No G5

I really hope the eMac is introduced on Tuesday, that would be perfect timing for Holiday season if they have plenty already stocked up and ready to be shipped...also, although I really want to see it, I honestly doubt that the eMac will go G5 yet mainly because the iMac just got the G5 chip and Apple wants to emphasize that for as long as possible, but also because POWERbooks have not even gotten a G5, and because of "supply problems" that Apple claimed with the powermacs (I am not sure if that is still a problem though or not)...just my thoughts.
 
Yvan256 said:
Don't you mean "As long as they are cheaper than current CRT's"?

If the eMac is supposed to be the entry-level, low-cost Mac, it wouldn't make sense to use parts that cost more than others.

A thinner CRT will be more expensive than a regular CRT for sure. But if it's only a small premium than it would probably be worth it, since everyone here talks about how ugly and out-of-date the CRT eMac is. I personally think it's fine for its purpose though (that's what I own now). Other components continue to get cheaper, so Apple could hopefully come out with a slimmer model for about the same price.

I don't think it's going to happen, but was just posting about the new screen.
 
madmaxmedia said:
A thinner CRT will be more expensive than a regular CRT for sure. But if it's only a small premium than it would probably be worth it, since everyone here talks about how ugly and out-of-date the CRT eMac is. I personally think it's fine for its purpose though (that's what I own now). Other components continue to get cheaper, so Apple could hopefully come out with a slimmer model for about the same price.

I don't think it's going to happen, but was just posting about the new screen.


Not everyone thinks the eMac is Ugly or out of date. :mad:

If its not been noted by someone else before me, from behind it looks like the nose cone of the Shuttle.

As for these "thinner" CRT's, the article does state that prices will come down shortly after launch.

If Apple can get a good deal then i see no reason why not, of course if there not ready yet then the NEXT rev after the upcoming one will have them.
 
I just wish they put a 19" or bigger CRT monitor on new eMac.

eMac's resolution 1152x864 is not good today and 75Hz for that resolution is in fact pretty weak :eek:
 
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