imac g5s are not a good solution for schools there too expensive and the lcds would get messed up the emac is a much better edu computer with a much better price i like the emac and i hope they dont phase it out
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eMacs phased out of Retail Stores?
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bosrs1 said:
1. I just have no idea how one can say "big problem". No one ever has any statistics or anything on matters such as this. It is the same as the iMac G5. There are always problems no matter what with everything.
2. So it is heavier? Why does a school need to move a computer around every day? Why would anyone for that matter need to more a DESKTOP computer around every day.
3. 1.42 ghz adds .17 ghz and % wise is only like 13% (not much in terms of real performance especially with the same FSB). The Mac Mini also has a much slower harddrive.
4. It is not too big. Compared to other PCs it takes up less space. Just because Apple is smart enought to release a miniscule computer does not make a spacesaving computer such as the eMac too big. It is also designed mainly for education again, and its all in one design is perfect yet again.
5. I have an eMac and have used others and have never seen those problems (not saying that they do not exist (but all problems possibly exist of course
)). Often would mean more than sometimes, and I doubt it is even that. It is probably a lemon every now and then. Keep the eMac around.
eMac's are how I got into macs!! I'm sure many of you hardcore users are on Powermacs, but my entire mac experience has been on all-in-one systems such as eMac, iBook, PowerBook, iMac (soon to buy )... At my old secondary school we had about 6 eMacs, which I helped set up, and eventually another 6. Of all 12, 1 of them broke down pretty quickly - CRT slowly started to go pants... Apple sent us a box, we sent it back, turnaround was about 48 hours!
So, whilst many may dislike the eMac, it definately has its place. I wouldn't want one for myself, I'd rather have an iMac G5 with the higher processing power. But, they're excellent for educational use, and when they go wrong, they get fixed.
)... At my old secondary school we had about 6 eMacs, which I helped set up, and eventually another 6. Of all 12, 1 of them broke down pretty quickly - CRT slowly started to go pants... Apple sent us a box, we sent it back, turnaround was about 48 hours! So, whilst many may dislike the eMac, it definately has its place. I wouldn't want one for myself, I'd rather have an iMac G5 with the higher processing power. But, they're excellent for educational use, and when they go wrong, they get fixed.
Schools need CRT's!! I'm a high school student, and trust me, kids will trash LCD's! I can only imagen how long an iMac LCD would last in any given classroom at most schools. First of all, kids love to poke and push screens - CRT's are great for that - LCD's not.
IF the eMac is nearing EOL, then we need a low-cost, Apple CRT display to go with the Mac Mini... Schools buying Mac Mini's aren't going to want to spend over $1,000 on a display from Apple! They would be smart to slap a new housing (Mac looking) on a cheep 17" or 21" CRT from someone else (Dell - whoever - it wouldn't matter), and market it as the Mini's companion, selling it for under $150.
IF the eMac is nearing EOL, then we need a low-cost, Apple CRT display to go with the Mac Mini... Schools buying Mac Mini's aren't going to want to spend over $1,000 on a display from Apple! They would be smart to slap a new housing (Mac looking) on a cheep 17" or 21" CRT from someone else (Dell - whoever - it wouldn't matter), and market it as the Mini's companion, selling it for under $150.
No one mentioned...
Dual Desk Top
Need I say more?
I have a second 17" Apple 1705 CRT monitor along side my eMac. You can find these for £20 on eBay. The eMac can run a dual desktop after enabling the graphics card. Not possible with the Mac Mini, which only has one port to connect a monitor.
It's a grand solution for the price.
If the eMac goes, I will hope that I can carry on with a dual desktop system for the same kind of cost.
I do find the eMac design a little half hearted, though it's still way ahead of any PC solution, style wise. I would have loved to see a slimmed down curvy white pebble 17" Wide Screen version. That would have had the sculptural appeal and desirability of the original iMac I believe...
Dual Desk Top
Need I say more?
I have a second 17" Apple 1705 CRT monitor along side my eMac. You can find these for £20 on eBay. The eMac can run a dual desktop after enabling the graphics card. Not possible with the Mac Mini, which only has one port to connect a monitor.
It's a grand solution for the price.
If the eMac goes, I will hope that I can carry on with a dual desktop system for the same kind of cost.
I do find the eMac design a little half hearted, though it's still way ahead of any PC solution, style wise. I would have loved to see a slimmed down curvy white pebble 17" Wide Screen version. That would have had the sculptural appeal and desirability of the original iMac I believe...
So what, schools but Mac Mini's and then have to somehow find the same number of USED Apple displays...? Doesn't sound like that wold really work.Artanmotion said:
My friend works at the Educational Service Unit for our area. The techies in the computer repair department advise strongly against the MacMinis. They say that they are "impossible to get into" in case of problems.
They don't like the eMac either because of its weight.
They don't like the eMac either because of its weight.
Apple chose funtion over form for the eMac, and that's fine.. It's still a great looking computer, but it's looks are the result of what it's for, not what it's supposed to be. Best thing to do would be to make it edu only again. The Mac Mini's the better choice for consumers, and the eMac's the better choice for schools. Drop the price a hundred or two, take out the op drive as an option, and you've got a great terminal that's durable, easy to use, easy to admin, and costs less overall (and maybe even out of the gate).
No eMac bashing here, just give it back to whom it was intended.
No eMac bashing here, just give it back to whom it was intended.
I was going to say that. But he does have a point. Apple Genii still can't work on them because they haven't been trained. This definitely isn't the iMac or the Tower with respect to working on it.Dont Hurt Me said:Impossible? guess they dont have a putty knife.
bosrs1 said:
Apple really need to change that in the next revision of the Mac mini - Macs are generally difficult to upgrade - but you can at least upgrade the amount of RAM - with the mini thats not impossible but a bit difficult. Something it really shouldn't be. Just put some screws in the bottom.
But then it wouldn't be flushMacSA said:Apple really need to change that in the next revision of the Mac mini - Macs are generally difficult to upgrade - but you can at least upgrade the amount of RAM - with the mini thats not impossible but a bit difficult. Something it really shouldn't be. Just put some screws in the bottom.
Seriously though you are right of course. The iPod being unworkable I can understand to some extent, but this is a bit much on a computer.
my 2 cents
I have a lab full of the original 700 MHz models and not a one has had any trouble. They are indestructible and easy to clean. They are also easy to pop RAM into.
I plan on upgrading them with newer eMacs next year. I don't want to stop using eMacs in favor of Minis. I don't want the hassle of securing the Minis to keep them from being tossed into backpacks. I don't want to have to use a putty knife to upgrade the RAM when they show up (or worse, be forced to pay Apple's prices for additional RAM.)
I can get the eMac which comes with a mouse and keyboard for $599. I can get the Mini with nothing for $479. After adding the mouse, keyboard, flat-screen CRT, and security device the Mini costs more. The Mini is cute, but it isn't an institutional machine, and the iMac is too expensive. Long live the eMac.
I have a lab full of the original 700 MHz models and not a one has had any trouble. They are indestructible and easy to clean. They are also easy to pop RAM into.
I plan on upgrading them with newer eMacs next year. I don't want to stop using eMacs in favor of Minis. I don't want the hassle of securing the Minis to keep them from being tossed into backpacks. I don't want to have to use a putty knife to upgrade the RAM when they show up (or worse, be forced to pay Apple's prices for additional RAM.)
I can get the eMac which comes with a mouse and keyboard for $599. I can get the Mini with nothing for $479. After adding the mouse, keyboard, flat-screen CRT, and security device the Mini costs more. The Mini is cute, but it isn't an institutional machine, and the iMac is too expensive. Long live the eMac.
i don't know much about the emac because i haven't seen one in person yet but at the moment it's really unattractive...
elementary schools here either don't have cmputers at all in the classrooms or don't have money to buy brand new ones anyway so that market is completly unimportant here
and the schools for the older ones tend to go with screen+computer seperatly because they don't upgrade the screens as often
there simply are no 'mac labs' in educational institutes over here...none,zero,zip,nada
so that would leave the emac-market for home user who want to go with all-in-one computers (which is a rather small market) and then most people want lcds from new computers because they had crts untill now
and of course there is the 'i haven't ha a PC untill now' market
on the other side 2 other fellow students/friends are talking about/planning buying a mac mini the next time .. one of them asks new questions everyday in the lectures
on the other side apple has to keep the emac nearly for the US education market _alone_ but on the other side they have to make it more attractive
(personally i think lcd imac will simply get an additional glass etc. in front of the screen for additional protection someday and the emac will fade out tht day would be the easiest solution..perhaps an 15" lcd...who knows)
elementary schools here either don't have cmputers at all in the classrooms or don't have money to buy brand new ones anyway so that market is completly unimportant here
and the schools for the older ones tend to go with screen+computer seperatly because they don't upgrade the screens as often
there simply are no 'mac labs' in educational institutes over here...none,zero,zip,nada
so that would leave the emac-market for home user who want to go with all-in-one computers (which is a rather small market) and then most people want lcds from new computers because they had crts untill now
and of course there is the 'i haven't ha a PC untill now' market
on the other side 2 other fellow students/friends are talking about/planning buying a mac mini the next time .. one of them asks new questions everyday in the lectures
on the other side apple has to keep the emac nearly for the US education market _alone_ but on the other side they have to make it more attractive
(personally i think lcd imac will simply get an additional glass etc. in front of the screen for additional protection someday and the emac will fade out tht day would be the easiest solution..perhaps an 15" lcd...who knows)
How about minis in steel cages bolted to the desks? Those would work okay, long as the kids couldn't get at the connections on the back.wordmunger said:
Where are Macs big in education?
It's quite a beautifully simple industrial shape. It has an integrity that no stylish PC monitor or base unit has. Industrial simplicity doesn't equall desirability though. It could look way better, but it could also look too desirable for schools and would then become a target for theft maybe. So they give it a strong, robust, utilitarian look.takao said:
In the UK there are many schools I have heard of that are all Mac and I would imagine every school and college here has a mix. Mac in education has always been very strong here because they are seen as the computers that you use in any creative industry and so it is obvious they should be represented in schools. I can't speak for other countries, but I hear Macs are big in Japan.takao said:
Probablytakao said:
I have a 1gb eMac, a bit over a year old.
It replaced a 7600 with a 1710 monitor - so I'm not concerned with having the most whizz-bang model, just that I be able to surf easily, burn CDs etc.
I've used various LCD displays - including my current Win 2000 thing at work - and I'm usually disappointed with the image and the legibility of text. Ergo, headaches.
I know we all love the graphic capability of our Macs, but reading text is a regular activity too.
Isn't it going to be a while before a comparably inexpensive LCD Mac with a legible display arrives on the scene?
If they continue with an upgraded CRT model eMac, the best thing they could do is improve the sound output - those dinky round things on the front rattle, they're rubbish, and why would anyone bother with them?
Luckily I inherited some of those beautiful spherical speakers that came with the Cube.
It replaced a 7600 with a 1710 monitor - so I'm not concerned with having the most whizz-bang model, just that I be able to surf easily, burn CDs etc.
I've used various LCD displays - including my current Win 2000 thing at work - and I'm usually disappointed with the image and the legibility of text. Ergo, headaches.
I know we all love the graphic capability of our Macs, but reading text is a regular activity too.
Isn't it going to be a while before a comparably inexpensive LCD Mac with a legible display arrives on the scene?
If they continue with an upgraded CRT model eMac, the best thing they could do is improve the sound output - those dinky round things on the front rattle, they're rubbish, and why would anyone bother with them?
Luckily I inherited some of those beautiful spherical speakers that came with the Cube.
bosrs1 said:
I hope so. New eMacs in iPod mini colours would be interesting, Silver for schools and business, other colours for home users.
I still hope that the CRT goes for a 15" LCD...and colours and G4 used to distinguish them from the iMacs
I'm using one!
I'm sitting here, as I write this post, on an emac. We have a Mac Mini upstairs, and while it is a perfectly adequate machine there is no way I would trade it for the eMac.
It's a solid unit, and I mean solid! Sure, it weighs a tonne, but at the end of the day it's an all in one unit unit with no fiddling about (unlike mac mini) with a nice sharp screen with lots of contrast and it's fast too, providing you load it with a GB of Ram.
I don't think I'd particuarly want to swap it for anything other than an Imac (and those are a good few hundred pounds/dollars more).
So please Apple, keep the eMac going. A nice speedbump and a better graphics card is really all that is needed to keep these baby's sound!
I'm sitting here, as I write this post, on an emac. We have a Mac Mini upstairs, and while it is a perfectly adequate machine there is no way I would trade it for the eMac.
It's a solid unit, and I mean solid! Sure, it weighs a tonne, but at the end of the day it's an all in one unit unit with no fiddling about (unlike mac mini) with a nice sharp screen with lots of contrast and it's fast too, providing you load it with a GB of Ram.
I don't think I'd particuarly want to swap it for anything other than an Imac (and those are a good few hundred pounds/dollars more).
So please Apple, keep the eMac going. A nice speedbump and a better graphics card is really all that is needed to keep these baby's sound!
eMac stock gone from KC
Confirming that floor stock of eMacs has disappeared in the last 10 days at both MicroCenter and CompUSA stores in Kansas City. Each store had 1 remaining eMac on a display space, but they obviously took care to place it away from the high traffic zones of the Macintosh sales floor. The last eMac stock at CompUSA in particular had shipping boxes which looked like they just made it out of a war zone.
On the other hand, both stores here in KC had great displays featuring the Mac Mini.
Macrumors said:
Confirming that floor stock of eMacs has disappeared in the last 10 days at both MicroCenter and CompUSA stores in Kansas City. Each store had 1 remaining eMac on a display space, but they obviously took care to place it away from the high traffic zones of the Macintosh sales floor. The last eMac stock at CompUSA in particular had shipping boxes which looked like they just made it out of a war zone.
On the other hand, both stores here in KC had great displays featuring the Mac Mini.