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New eMacs

When I switched my wife (and accidently myself) to Macs in 2003 we bought the middle road eMac. It was an entry level Mac at a price point I could accept and with the nice all in one design that suited my wife's use. I think they can still serve this function (low/middle road price point with all in one design) as well as being the system for education customers.

I seems that Apple basically has two lines of systems to maintain both in portables and desktops. One is the upper end and one is the lower. The upper end runs G5s and is all about power and the lower runs G4s and is power tempered by cost. I think the Mac mini is the bottom rung and the eMac should be the next step up.

Now that being said I do believe the eMac needs to be redesigned. I think in essence that Apple is shooting themselves in the foot by keeping a CRT in the line because it's an unnecessary expense. It also looks out of place in their otherwise gorgeous line. I think that as mentioned above they should move the eMacs to a very iMac like design with a plastic cover protecting their screens. This leaves them durable but cheaper. They should in essence be the iMacs of yesteryear's G4 era though in the form factor of today's iMacs. I see it as two models that are the visual twins of the current G5 iMacs but are based around G4 processors with lesser specs, smaller screens and sub-1000 price points. Here are my specs:

15" Model ($799 USD)

15-inch widescreen LCD
1.42GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
60GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load Combo Drive

17" Model ($999 USD)

17-inch widescreen LCD
1.5GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
80GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load Super Drive

Those specs would in essence make the eMacs a mild bump up from the barebones Mac mini to the average Mac all in one for just 200 or so more and suit the customers who are interested in a cheap Mac but don't want to buy a monitor and keyboard and mouse as well just to try it out. It would also give them a line of computers with gradual increases in price and power starting at 499 and ranging to 999 in the low end line and 1299 to 2999 in the upper end, though I would consider killing the current low end iMac and dropping iMac price points by 100 USD as well as beefing up their video card specs if the eMacs were revamped this way as it becomes cluttered in the middle of the line and could confuse consumers. Either way this would also get the computers in their line looking like a family instead of having the oddball fat cousin in there.

Along with these benefits it gives them an excuse to continue their G4 line of processors and the business connections attached to them. When you figure in the multiple core G4s that seem to be in the pipe there is a nice upgrade path for these without a move to the lower margin harder to cool G5s.

Thoughts?
 
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aswitcher said:
Apple US have same day delivery still...

I just checked the Amazon site again and it says 2-3 day delivery?? I wonder why Apple is keeping the eMac around so long? I mean, its starting to look old compared to the Mac Mini and iMac.
 
Game_Hunter said:
15" Model ($799 USD)

15-inch widescreen LCD
1.42GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
60GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load Combo Drive

17" Model ($999 USD)

17-inch widescreen LCD
1.5GHz PowerPC G4
512K L2 cache
256MB DDR400 SDRAM
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
64MB DDR video memory
80GB Serial ATA hard drive
Slot-load Super Drive

I think the same goal can be accomplished by broadening the iMac line with low-spec versions that are made more durable. This would allow Apple to concentrate its resources and not build 4 separate desktop lines, which seems excessive.
 
miloblithe said:
I think the same goal can be accomplished by broadening the iMac line with low-spec versions that are made more durable. This would allow Apple to concentrate its resources and not build 4 separate desktop lines, which seems excessive.
Not really when you consider that Apple is the sole perveyor of Macintosh OS computers. having 4 options is essential so that people have a choice. Anything less and it just give the PC heads more ammo that they are the democratic computer system since there are so many options.
 
miloblithe said:
I think the same goal can be accomplished by broadening the iMac line with low-spec versions that are made more durable. This would allow Apple to concentrate its resources and not build 4 separate desktop lines, which seems excessive.

I agree that the future is the phasing out of the eMacs in favor of more durable low spec iMacs but I don't think we're there yet and as a stepping stone to that future Apple should introduce revamped eMacs that fill the void between the current iMacs and the Mac mini which is far too wide a gap to leave open. Perhaps the rebranding of them into the iMac line would be a thing to consider but I find it dangerous to step the iMac line backward into G4 territory where by contrast the moving forward of the eMacs to LCDs and upped specs would be looked on positively.
 
Game_Hunter said:
I agree that the future is the phasing out of the eMacs in favor of more durable low spec iMacs but I don't think we're there yet and as a stepping stone to that future Apple should introduce revamped eMacs that fill the void between the current iMacs and the Mac mini which is far too wide a gap to leave open. Perhaps the rebranding of them into the iMac line would be a thing to consider but I find it dangerous to step the iMac line backward into G4 territory where by contrast the moving forward of the eMacs to LCDs and upped specs would be looked on positively.

I had put in that I thought you could do extend the iMac line down to a 15" 1.6Ghz in the next upgrade cycle, and sell it for less than $1000, but for some reason I deleted that part, not making clear what I had meant. I didn't mean stepping the iMac line back to G4. I agree that doesn't make sense.

The eMacs could have one more round of updates, but I think Apple isn't eager to do that in order to push the Mini. If there's a 1.5Ghz eMac, then that might make sense for a lot of people who otherwise might buy a Mini. On the other hand, this theory makes little sense as why would Apple necessarily push people towards its cheaper models (shipping and marketing, but is that enough?).

If they do one more update to the eMac line, I could see it being delayed until the EDU buying season (early summer?) and for the most part coinciding with another update to the Mini lineup.
 
Game_Hunter said:
They should in essence be the iMacs of yesteryear's G4 era though in the form factor of today's iMacs.

I almost wet my pants just thinking that new eMacs would somehow be like G4 iMacs :eek: Would be so hot!! :)
 
G4 eMacs

That was kind of my thought. I honestly think a dual line within both the high end and low end is the way to go for Apple if they are walking into the low cost computing sector in a bid for marketshare. I think the plan above gives them a strong low end to match their constantly strong high end.

In desktops it would be:

Low Low End:

Mac mini 499-599 (G4 powered lunchbox - super small)

High Low End (And Education):

eMacs 799-999 (Basically G4 iMacs with smaller screens)

Low High End:

iMacs 1299-1899 (The Cutting Edge All in One)

High High End:

Power Macs 1499-2999 (The Bleeding Edge Pro Computer)

Now I think as that stands it's strong but if they adjust the high end computing to remove some redundancy and focus it a bit I think they would be well positioned for big gains in marketshare.

For the future I'd like to see dual core G4s for the PowerBook line as a hold over until a portable G5 is possible and a movement of the dual core G4s into the new eMac line with the next, next round of upgrades. They could also move the iBooks to a dual core G4 later on when the difference between the G4 iBook and the G5 PowerBook becomes too great.

Eventually when dual core G5s populate the entire high end line the single core G5s could step down into the low end and dual core G4s could power the mini. Basically I see the DCG4 as a necessary development to bridge the gap between the G4 and G5 and I'd like to see it move into the high low end system and the high end portable within the year if possible.

But thats just me :)
 
bosrs1 said:
It's about time. At first I thought this wasn't the best idea, but the more I think about it, the eMac is OLD. It's based alot on the 1998 iMac. It's design does not fit the current line, and the CRT is garbage. I've had two eMacs and both had problems with quality control on many different parts. Plus there is no reason to stick with CRT anymore now that LCD prices are falling. It's time for the venerable tank to go to pasture.
Everyone who says this is missing the point! Schools NEED CRTs because LCDs will get trashed! That's really the only issue IMO.

Mac Mini's with CRTs would work, you'd just need to make sure the Mini's locked. ;)
 
Apple's website has a new feature on Apples in education with no pictures of eMacs. http://www.apple.com/education/whyapple/
 
eMacs Live in the UK!

Rootman said:
Apple's website has a new feature on Apples in education with no pictures of eMacs. http://www.apple.com/education/whyapple/
A recent Tesco Supermarket advertising campaign in the UK for their Computers for School Vouchers... Featuring the eMac! A full page ad in the Radio Times this week shows the eMac, followed by a punchy slogan making a pun on the word Apple (because they sell apples too ;) :rolleyes: )

So.... what am I saying. I dunno, but it seemed significant at the time...
 
Plymouthbreezer said:
Everyone who says this is missing the point! Schools NEED CRTs because LCDs will get trashed! That's really the only issue IMO.

Mac Mini's with CRTs would work, you'd just need to make sure the Mini's locked. ;)

my college has LCDs with no problems as far as i can tell, and there are a lot more people rotating through these computers than at a HS, CRT though all the way for anything below HS.....

it all depends on the environment though if you ask me
 
PlaceofDis said:
my college has LCDs with no problems as far as i can tell, and there are a lot more people rotating through these computers than at a HS, CRT though all the way for anything below HS.....

it all depends on the environment though if you ask me
I should have been more specific... College's should be okay, but High School and lower, an LCD will not last more then a few months.
 
Plymouthbreezer said:
I should have been more specific... College's should be okay, but High School and lower, an LCD will not last more then a few months.

Unless you put an additional low reflection toughened glass screen over it...
 
aswitcher said:
Unless you put an additional low reflection toughened glass screen over it...
In that case, just keep the eMac... why spend extra money on screen covers and such. Anyway, a lot you guys think the eMac sucks just because it wouldn't fit most of OUR needs, but for schools, they don't need a powerful or fast computer.
 
Plymouthbreezer said:
In that case, just keep the eMac... why spend extra money on screen covers and such. Anyway, a lot you guys think the eMac sucks just because it wouldn't fit most of OUR needs, but for schools, they don't need a powerful or fast computer.

Theres a world of weight difference between a CRT and an LCD with an extra glass layer protecting it...

CRTs are power hungry, heavy and push out radiation...not good.
 
G4 iMac?

The idea of a G4 iMac sounds good (mac mini handles a 20" monitor and Photoshop Elements nicely), but I thought that the G5 was a fairly low priced CPU already (feel free to correct me on that) so there wouldn't be a lot of cost savings for Apple to put a G4 in the iMac.

Visited the Santa Monica Apple store today (north side of LA). Kids station was iMacs; one eMac on display. Apple store employee hadn't heard that they were being phased out ('course, he didn't know that Apple was coming out with a camera connector for the iPod either); but Apple store employees are probably told to support the party line.
 
danvdr said:
The idea of a G4 iMac sounds good, but I thought that the G5 was a fairly low priced CPU already (feel free to correct me on that)

yup G5 iMac isn't that expensive but it is a lot more than G4 iMac would be.

For instance cheapest G5 iMac with a Superdrive now costs Eur 1.529,00 and eMac (which would become G4 iMac) with Superdrive now costs Eur 1.019,01. There's a ~510 euros difference! I'd get all needed extra parts and still come with the same price as todays iMac. (AE, BT, RAM, HDD etc...)

I'd say that's a lot of money and many would welcome that gorgeous G4 iMac ;)
 
danvdr said:
The idea of a G4 iMac sounds good (mac mini handles a 20" monitor and Photoshop Elements nicely), but I thought that the G5 was a fairly low priced CPU already (feel free to correct me on that) so there wouldn't be a lot of cost savings for Apple to put a G4 in the iMac.
smirre said:
yup G5 iMac isn't that expensive but it is a lot more than G4 iMac would be.
I think danvdr is referring to the CPU processors themselves, the "chip" if you will, G4 vs G5. The G4 CPU is quite popular and proliferated in many different products, not just computers, so the production of G4s probably far exceeds G5s at this time. So that ought to make G4 CPUs have a lower cost than G5 CPUs. How significant a difference, I don't know.
 
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